Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster

Maverick41 · Post #121 » by **Maverick41** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:58 pm

The thing that worries me is that the only way to add a competent ballhandler at this point is via trade. It becomes a helluva lot harder in negotiations when the opposing team knows your desperate and no longer have any alternatives.

Apz · Post #122 » by **Apz** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:49 pm

I think we will see more of luka and spencer not playing together and more time with a more traditional shooting guard. We drafted hardy, thj comes back from injury, we got more pf/c depth so bullock will be more at sg and dfs at sf. Wont get us the 2 playmakers at all time, but honestly, how much of it did brunson do really?

Bob8 · Post #123 » by **Bob8** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:15 am

Apz wrote:I think we will see more of luka and spencer not playing together and more time with a more traditional shooting guard. We drafted hardy, thj comes back from injury, we got more pf/c depth so bullock will be more at sg and dfs at sf. Wont get us the 2 playmakers at all time, but honestly, how much of it did brunson do really?

And what happens in all games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? If both are out, bringing the ball over half court might prove challenging.

Mavs were 10/10 last year, when Luka was out, mostly because of Brunson, who was basically Luka light. He enabled Mavs to play similar basketball, when Luka was injured.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #124 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:15 am

Doncic will play a lot of minutes and Din will too. They wont need another 3rd string PG. Brunson was a bad defender last season he gave up a lot of what he got when the other team posted him up so the leaving was an addition by subtraction if you ask me that is what happened. DFS and Bullock both have limited time available at the SF because Wood will take a lot more minutes at the PF so Dorian will play more SF. We have 3 other big guys like Kleber and our other 6'10 guys behind wood and hope we add another real center to back up McGee and leave Wood at the 4. Center and PF will be an area of strength this season when Doncic gets them involved. I can see the team getting close to 60 wins or more.

We have a lot of young guys that could start to break out and show improvement:
Pinson did good burning clock and scoring towards the end of last season in the RS with limited mins.
Green started a mini break out last year and in the PO's
Frank showed he just needed to improve on offense to be a total package and 2 way player.
Hardy a rookie with major upside that could show glimpses of what he will become sooner than later. I have faith he will become something special
Dorsey clearly he is find that should step up to contribute this season. As the 2nd best player on Greece's team behind the Greek freak he has earned my interest and likely a chance to up his contract to a real NBA one if he steps it up to play as well as he has in Europe.

Odds are that one or more of these guys will step up out of the bunch and with odds like that I see an improved team with a lot of upside as they start to mature and develop more game.

Hardy may take a while and do some time in Frisco if the others start to earn more minutes. That stashes him away for next years project if he takes longer to show an ability to adapt to the next level. If he is doing well by seasons end I will be very happy. The fact all 5 have decent size with none being a midget is another bonus. Doubt anyone posts them up like they did Brunson last season.

Maverick41 · Post #125 » by **Maverick41** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:04 am

So here's my long post on my reasons for why I think we need another ballhandler:

1) Who can reliably bring the ball up against a top tier full court defender (ex. Jrue Holiday) other then Luka and Spencer? If we stagger Luka and Dinwiddie, and/or one of them are injured, smart teams will surely press up and try and force other players to have to handle the ball.

2) When Luka is hard doubled, who can reliably drive to the hole to break the defense AND either score or pass to the open 3 other then Dinwiddie? Every other guy will look to shoot, escape dribble n shoot or predictably pass when at the rim (particularly Green or Frank).

3) Almost our entire offense revolves around spreading the floor for the ballhandler, getting the mismatch (usually via screen switches), isolation, and then attacking the mismatch. Who can do this other then Dinwiddie or Luka? If no one else, expect Luka's usage to be even higher then usual and hence far likelier for injuries. The goal should be to reduce his usage so that he can be healthy come the postseason.

4) Which ballhandler other then Luka and Dinwiddie, do you think can actually play in the playoffs? All of the players in the guard rotation are either A) 1 way players and/or B) have significant weaknesses that outweighs their strengths in the postseason.

I think if this was 2 years ago, I'd be totally fine with just Luka and Dinwiddie as ballhandlers, and trying to develop Frank, Dorsey, Green or Hardy as that 3rd guy. But we just went to the WCF and the west is stronger. Luka got a taste and surely wants more. I highly doubt he's fine with taking a step back this season and somehow having even more responsibility.

Bob8 · Post #126 » by **Bob8** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:11 am

It looks to me that they gave Luka good chances to win MVP and to Dinwiddie freeway to new valuable contract.

41Dirk41 · Post #127 » by **41Dirk41** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:24 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268697/Dennis-Smith-Jr-Hornets-Agree-To-One-Year-Deal

Post #128 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:04 am

41Dirk41 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268697/Dennis-Smith-Jr-Hornets-Agree-To-One-Year-Deal

That may not win a lot of games, but it'll be lots of fun...

DreamTeam09 · Post #129 » by **DreamTeam09** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:19 pm

Kemba buyout seems like the best course of action a Mav fan can hope for before the szn starts

Apz · Post #130 » by **Apz** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:06 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Kemba buyout seems like the best course of action a Mav fan can hope for before the szn starts

Rather have frank playing. Atleast he isnt injured as much and play defense. Vetmin feels like an overpay for kemba atm

DreamTeam09 · Post #131 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:41 pm

Apz wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Kemba buyout seems like the best course of action a Mav fan can hope for before the szn starts

Rather have frank playing. Atleast he isnt injured as much and play defense. Vetmin feels like an overpay for kemba atm

If he's injured then Frank will play, if not he's a way better PNR facilitator + iso scorer and shooter

Post #132 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:58 am

Kemba can score and is competitive, but he will hurt us on defense. We don't need him as badly as some fans believe.

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SOUNDCHASER · Post #133 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:11 am

With Luka and Din taking most all of the minutes at PG math tells us there is no time for anyone else to bring the ball up.

48 minutes divided by 2 is 24 minutes each. If Luka plays a total of 35 minutes per game that only leaves 13 minutes for Din to play PG when the Don is resting so if all he is playing is 30 minutes a game that means he can only play with Luka for 17 minutes at the 2 or to share duty at the point with Luka out there as a 2nd PG. A third ball handler is not going to have a lot of minutes to play from what I see.

At the 2 we have THJ and Bullock with DFS grabbing most of the SF minutes and Bullock playing the remainder.

Our front court is set in stone as well with Wood and McGee getting most of the minutes and then Kleber and Powell have most of the left overs.

Now that is 9 players.

Throughout the regular season we have Hardy, Pinson Dorsey Green and Frank among the wings to evaluate and we may want to evaluate them to see who is a keeper going forward. A few additional bigs we have are nothing special except maybe Bertans who can hit 3's. Training camp may find us wanting some of them if they do well but the training camp fodder will probably end up in Frisco where they can develop more. Would be nice if Hardy and the rest get a lot of minutes in Frisco and start to step their games up to make us wonder what they can do when they get a call up.

Hopefully one or more of the 5 will step up and give us hope that they can become at least a trade chip. Cuban will fall in love with them if any of them start to accelerate their development to become a rotation piece. I won't be surprised if Green and Dorsey play a lot of minutes and start to shoot and do what is needed when they are on the court. Frank will probably get minutes to play defense focusing on the other teams scoring threats when Luka and Din are sitting. Hardy will likely take time to develop because he is so young. Pinson may find a way to earn some time but is he going to give us anything special? I am not so sure about him but he may be able to contribute in a meaningful manner.

If a TDL offer is made we might get something to add into the mix but this is looking like what we have to use and nothing else is going to be forthcoming unless some crazy cuts get made that make us try to snag a big or someone good that some team has to let go because they have way to many players. Utah has to let someone go to get down to 15.

Bob8 · Post #134 » by **Bob8** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:55 am

Dinwiddie is averaging 48 games in his career and we all know that Luka with his usage won't be playing more than 65, if we want him in reasonable shape in playoffs. There will be a lot of minutes available in Pg position.

41Dirk41 · Post #135 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:35 am

Dallas last year made a huge step with the 3th ballhandler on roster after KP trade, everybody knows.
Oh yes, not everybody :lol:

Darren · Post #136 » by **Darren** » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:12 pm

Apz wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Kemba buyout seems like the best course of action a Mav fan can hope for before the szn starts

Rather have frank playing. Atleast he isnt injured as much and play defense. Vetmin feels like an overpay for kemba atm

Kemba has 40 point games last season. No doubt better than Augustin.

Apz · Post #137 » by **Apz** » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:07 pm

Darren wrote:
Apz wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Kemba buyout seems like the best course of action a Mav fan can hope for before the szn starts

Rather have frank playing. Atleast he isnt injured as much and play defense. Vetmin feels like an overpay for kemba atm

Kemba has 40 point games last season. No doubt better than Augustin.

Thought we were talking about playmaker here since thats the kind of need of a ballhandler thats been discussed? Who cares if kemba scores 40 and then have to sit out next 3 weeks cause his knees hurt?

Imo, if we are getting a 3rd ballhandler, we are talking about someone that is reliable, dont mind knowing that even if he is a ballhandler he most probably only handles the ball once every 7th posession, and is a better offball player then onball cause thats his main utility. Oh, and is a good defender.

So, more of a sg then pg. And that makes guys like kemba not of much intrest. Imo.

Maverick41 · Post #138 » by **Maverick41** » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:51 pm

Read on Twitter

Thread: Match, light, fire.

Apz · Post #139 » by **Apz** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:09 am

Maverick41 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Thread: Match, light, fire.

Dont really mind. As i said, not like we talking a primary ballhNdler anyway and both play defense. Rather 1 of them then kemba, burke and the usual suspects

Bob8 · Post #140 » by **Bob8** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:14 am

Apz wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Thread: Match, light, fire.

Dont really mind. As i said, not like we talking a primary ballhNdler anyway and both play defense. Rather 1 of them then kemba, burke and the usual suspects

They will for sure need to to be a primary ball handlers in 20+ games. Kemba with 1 leg is better than those 2 in that role. Fortunately enough we still have Dorsey.