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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#121 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:42 am

arkuo wrote:Pressure on Boston to close it out so I expect them to pull out everything for Game 5.

Mavs are playing with house money. 5th seed losing in the finals is acceptable. Top team like Boston with 4 stars choking 4 straight, they will never hear the end of it. So I expect them to try and do everything to avoid that scenario.

I agree, but that kind of thinking is what got us to 0-3 in this series.
Hopefully Mavs have gained an appetite for another championship and have decided that losing this series is UNACCEPTABLE.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#122 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:37 am

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arkuo wrote:Pressure on Boston to close it out so I expect them to pull out everything for Game 5.

Mavs are playing with house money. 5th seed losing in the finals is acceptable. Top team like Boston with 4 stars choking 4 straight, they will never hear the end of it. So I expect them to try and do everything to avoid that scenario.

I agree, but that kind of thinking is what got us to 0-3 in this series.
Hopefully Mavs have gained an appetite for another championship and have decided that losing this series is UNACCEPTABLE.


Agree.

Mostly how they played G3.
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Post#123 » by Dirk2Doncic » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:43 pm

This series is the type of scenario where we could see a turn after 1 team was down 0-3

High impact player injured. Celtics are a different team with Porzingis on the court.

Recent Celtics history.

Sometimes it takes a game or 2 to adjust to a new opponent.

Mavericks had their heads up their ass in game 3.

If the Mavericks win game 5... will there be anyone who believes they can't win game 6 at home?

It will be an insane crowd in Boston for game 5. Need Luka to stay focused. Need Kyrie to play like he can. Need the others to play well and compete like maniacs. The entire team has to bring the energy on both ends of the floor.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#124 » by Dirk2Doncic » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:23 pm

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arkuo wrote:Pressure on Boston to close it out so I expect them to pull out everything for Game 5.

Mavs are playing with house money. 5th seed losing in the finals is acceptable. Top team like Boston with 4 stars choking 4 straight, they will never hear the end of it. So I expect them to try and do everything to avoid that scenario.

I agree, but that kind of thinking is what got us to 0-3 in this series.
Hopefully Mavs have gained an appetite for another championship and have decided that losing this series is UNACCEPTABLE.


5 seed is meaningless for this team due to the trades. This team as currently constructed is not 5 seed material. It would compete for the top seed in the West.

You went down 0-3. Get back in it. A game 5 win in Boston would do that.

Luka needs to figure out how to be a champion. He was not ready to be a champion in game 3. He was that guy in game 4. He has to learn to keep focus on this stage or he'll never get a ring as the best player on a team.

Celtics are wounded (Porzingis). Soon they might have a wounded psyche.

If we win game 5 this series is going to be wild.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#125 » by Darren » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:24 pm

This is the first Finals game that the Mavs outsmart and outhustle the Boston team. I think the biggest different is more engaged Luka and Kyrie, especially on the defensive end. Boston has nothing to hunt. And Lively and Green is coming out of nowhere for help defense and rebounding. Another big thing is depth. When the Mavs is playing on quicker pace and getting deeper in the paint, the spacing for shooting is better. Half of the Mavs roster is actually performing better in this uptempo playing style instead of half court set. In particular, Green, Lively, Gafford, DDJ and Exum. This turns random players into great role players. Being so, the workload could be more evenly distributed. Green can attack on break. Lively can crash the ball and run the lob. Gafford can beat smaller player. DDJ can find transtion point. Exum get the space to shoot. I believe PJ could join the show as well. I believe most of the Mavs roster depth is built for uptempo playing style in Nash's Pheonix manner. Run and gun. Run and lob. In this way, Boston will be in foul troubles early. Is this kind of energy and effort sustainable? I don't know. But it starts with whether or not Luka and Kyrie could be effective. And the Mavs has successfully create more rhythm 3 and allow less rhythm 3 except 2 from Holiday. Even Hardaway joins the party. This is a good sign. Hopefully, it's not too late. Can Kyrie put the guilt in the past away now? If so, the series has just started, unfortunately with Boston being 1 win away from champ.

Before the game, Boston makes KP available. I believe Boston will at least try to put KP in the next game. But keep this running style. KP is still better suit in half court set.

Congrats to the Mavs. Smart and well-efforted win. Hopefully, Lively can hit at least 1000 threes every season on good percentage. Finally, the Mavs does not get outcoached.
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Post#126 » by joesha1698 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:51 pm

Darren wrote:This is the first Finals game that the Mavs outsmart and outhustle the Boston team. I think the biggest different is more engaged Luka and Kyrie, especially on the defensive end. Boston has nothing to hunt. And Lively and Green is coming out of nowhere for help defense and rebounding. Another big thing is depth. When the Mavs is playing on quicker pace and getting deeper in the paint, the spacing for shooting is better. Half of the Mavs roster is actually performing better in this uptempo playing style instead of half court set. In particular, Green, Lively, Gafford, DDJ and Exum. This turns random players into great role players. Being so, the workload could be more evenly distributed. Green can attack on break. Lively can crash the ball and run the lob. Gafford can beat smaller player. DDJ can find transtion point. Exum get the space to shoot. I believe PJ could join the show as well. I believe most of the Mavs roster depth is built for uptempo playing style in Nash's Pheonix manner. Run and gun. Run and lob. In this way, Boston will be in foul troubles early. Is this kind of energy and effort sustainable? I don't know. But it starts with whether or not Luka and Kyrie could be effective. And the Mavs has successfully create more rhythm 3 and allow less rhythm 3 except 2 from Holiday. Even Hardaway joins the party. This is a good sign. Hopefully, it's not too late. Can Kyrie put the guilt in the past away now? If so, the series has just started, unfortunately with Boston being 1 win away from champ.

Before the game, Boston makes KP available. I believe Boston will at least try to put KP in the next game. But keep this running style. KP is still better suit in half court set.

Congrats to the Mavs. Smart and well-efforted win. Hopefully, Lively can hit at least 1000 threes every season on good percentage. Finally, the Mavs does not get outcoached.



I agree and I have been saying all series we need to push the pace more to get into our offense early. In order to do that, we have to at times get the ball out of Luka hands. Boston will go back to hunting Luka with J. Brown up the court. So, Luka needs to play with a pep in his step or we need someone else to step up - I say Kyrie/Exum/PJ Washington are guys who can handle point guard duties and really push the pace looking for opportunities to get to the basket or make a play.

Things we have to continue to do well going into game 5 in no particular order:

1-2 points: Play with pace and intention/aggression. One of the biggest adjustments Luka and especially Kyrie made against Boston is these last two games is to attack immediately. Stop playing with the ball and trying to figure everything out. Literally, one or two dribbles and then put the head down and attack the basketball. That's essentially what Brown and Tatum do every possession- they literally try to beat Dallas to the basket with their first step every play. Which is why they should always shade them to their weak side and bait them into shooting jumpers - keep them out of your paint which forces your team into rotation. Which makes it more likely we give up a 3 or offensive rebound. How well we contain Tatum and Brown's penetration is basically the game.

3rd point: We need someone else off the bench to have a big game -Exum, THJ, Green, Lively. We need our guys to be aggressive.

4th point: We need to keep exploiting Tatum in the post against Gafford with intention. We also need to keep using Lively as a 3 point shooter in the corner. Force whoever is guarding him (most likely Tatum) to honor his 3 point shooting ability which creates a little more doubt and a little more room for Kyrie and Luka to work in the paint.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#127 » by HMFFL » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:05 pm

Points In The Paint:
Boston 26
Dallas 60
We continue to have the advantage in the paint ans especially with KP out.

Fastbreak Points
Boston 6
Dallas 11
This continues to be consistent for the most part. These two teams are relying on their shooting in this series.

Biggest Lead
Boston 3
Dallas 48
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Post#128 » by HMFFL » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:08 pm

Luka went 0-8 from 3.
Kyrie 1-6

Luka is 1-15 in the last two games. We need him to snap out of it so expect him to continue to shoot them. The rest of the roster needs to continue to rebound and stay active.
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Post#129 » by arkuo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:26 pm

HMFFL wrote:Luka went 0-8 from 3.
Kyrie 1-6

Luka is 1-15 in the last two games. We need him to snap out of it so expect him to continue to shoot them. The rest of the roster needs to continue to rebound and stay active.



At this point in the series, if you're the Celtics, it's better to give Luka a wide open three pointer than a kick out pass or a lob which has like a 99% conversion rate.
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Post#130 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:11 pm

HMFFL wrote:Points In The Paint:
Boston 26
Dallas 60
We continue to have the advantage in the paint ans especially with KP out.

Fastbreak Points
Boston 6
Dallas 11
This continues to be consistent for the most part. These two teams are relying on their shooting in this series.

Biggest Lead
Boston 3
Dallas 48


The paint is where Dallas can dominate the series and people here want Lively to shoot **** 3s. Insane.

Send a messagge to Kidd please, according to his standard he will understand it in September 2026.
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Post#131 » by Darren » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:33 pm

I think the Mavs learn a lot from Boston defenders. Staying in front. Positioning for rebounds. Get a come-from-nowhere steal in paint. I see a lot of Jrue in Mavs uniform. This could be nightmare for Boston. The Mavs could actually outnumber them.

From strategic standpoint, Lively is able to hit threes regularly will collapse their help defense system. Gafford's post-up is also unguardable. They can't hide anyone.

But I think Luka and Green's defense is game changing. This means Green is starting be able to see the floor. Letting all the information gets past you is the starting point to be a defensive leader and playmaker. As for Luka, the defense is insane, Luka does learn a lot from Boston playing defense.

Boston is more desperate now. Prepare a Bargnani style 3 free throws or Reggie Miller side-step threes, your chance will come.

But the most determining x factor is still Kyrie and KP. You have got to help Kyrie getting out of the past. You have got to study all KP struggles and have a counter proposal at some point.
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Post#132 » by kacey ring » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:47 pm

I want to see the same intensity G5. Pleaseeee

Kyrie having a huge game in Boston be great
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#133 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:00 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Points In The Paint:
Boston 26
Dallas 60
We continue to have the advantage in the paint ans especially with KP out.

Fastbreak Points
Boston 6
Dallas 11
This continues to be consistent for the most part. These two teams are relying on their shooting in this series.

Biggest Lead
Boston 3
Dallas 48


The paint is where Dallas can dominate the series and people here want Lively to shoot **** 3s. Insane.

Send a messagge to Kidd please, according to his standard he will understand it in September 2026.

We would dominate the paint even more if Lively ever becomes a decent 3pt shooter.
Luka would be impossible to stop in the paint whether they post him or he decides to do layup drills.
KP would be MVP material if he didn't get injured everytime he gets touched.
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Post#134 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:15 pm

Archx wrote:Huge credit to Green and Exum for basically bringing what they were lacking entire series, insane hustle and energy. I'm also glad Exum found his shot again, same as THJ (apparently?).

Man those Hardaway 3 pointers give me some concern.
Makes me wonder if he earns PT and we become dependent on them.
But he can really fill it up quick when he is on and hopefully he is in that mode if Kidd decides to go with him.
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Post#135 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:47 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Points In The Paint:
Boston 26
Dallas 60
We continue to have the advantage in the paint ans especially with KP out.

Fastbreak Points
Boston 6
Dallas 11
This continues to be consistent for the most part. These two teams are relying on their shooting in this series.

Biggest Lead
Boston 3
Dallas 48


The paint is where Dallas can dominate the series and people here want Lively to shoot **** 3s. Insane.

Send a messagge to Kidd please, according to his standard he will understand it in September 2026.

We would dominate the paint even more if Lively ever becomes a decent 3pt shooter.
Luka would be impossible to stop in the paint whether they post him or he decides to do layup drills.
KP would be MVP material if he didn't get injured everytime he gets touched.


Luka is unstoppable right now. No matter what.

What??? KP MVP material??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He can't even make PO as first man in Washington or New York. Stop drink my friend.

KP best season of his career is this one and he play like a 3#/4# guy.

Lively can dominate the paint for a decade... I take a solid big with inside scoring over KP, Bargnani or Towns of this world.

You are talking about develop 3 points shoot when he has to work first on his post game, mid range and touch around the rim.
The 3s are the ultimate step for a C and it's not so necessary, it's a plus.
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Post#136 » by Archx » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:59 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Archx wrote:Huge credit to Green and Exum for basically bringing what they were lacking entire series, insane hustle and energy. I'm also glad Exum found his shot again, same as THJ (apparently?).

Man those Hardaway 3 pointers give me some concern.
Makes me wonder if he earns PT and we become dependent on them.
But he can really fill it up quick when he is on and hopefully he is in that mode if Kidd decides to go with him.


If he continues shooting like that, he can play 40 mins, i don't care :D

But we know Timmy, next game he'll be more like 2/8 from 3, so i hope Kidd knows what he's doing if he plays him.

GermanFan120 wrote:Breaking news: THJ extension upcoming! :lol:


Yeah, if Cuban was still in charge lol...

Was funny seeing new owner sitting next to Dirk entire game instead of Cuban.
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Post#137 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:08 pm

However guys don't overrate this game, it was just a hustle game for our guys and a relaxed one by Boston.
We needed to avoid sweep and they want to win in their home. Good choice.

We can easily be 2-2 for sure but Kidd made 0 adjustments after game 1 and this time Luka&Kyrie didn't make the miracle hiding his great inabilities.
That's it. Unfortunately for us.
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Post#138 » by Dirk2Doncic » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:10 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Archx wrote:Huge credit to Green and Exum for basically bringing what they were lacking entire series, insane hustle and energy. I'm also glad Exum found his shot again, same as THJ (apparently?).

Man those Hardaway 3 pointers give me some concern.
Makes me wonder if he earns PT and we become dependent on them.
But he can really fill it up quick when he is on and hopefully he is in that mode if Kidd decides to go with him.


Those Hardaway garbage time buckets make me a little nervous too. Don't like the player. Don't like seeing him on the court.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G4 - Mavs Vs Celtics (Friday, 8:30 PM EST) 

Post#139 » by Archx » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:12 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:However guys don't overrate this game, it was just a hustle game for our guys and a relaxed one by Boston.
We needed to avoid sweep and they want to win in their home. Good choice.

We can easily be 2-2 for sure but Kidd made 0 adjustments after game 1 and this time Luka&Kyrie didn't make the miracle hiding his great inabilities.
That's it. Unfortunately for us.


I really hope you're going for reverse jinx here? :D

Keep in mind, if Mavs win game 5, this is going to 7. And Celtics don't want that, because Luka in game 7 is usually just... like he's never hurt or fat. He's simply scary.
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Post#140 » by 41Dirk41 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:28 pm

Archx wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:However guys don't overrate this game, it was just a hustle game for our guys and a relaxed one by Boston.
We needed to avoid sweep and they want to win in their home. Good choice.

We can easily be 2-2 for sure but Kidd made 0 adjustments after game 1 and this time Luka&Kyrie didn't make the miracle hiding his great inabilities.
That's it. Unfortunately for us.


I really hope you're going for reverse jinx here? :D

Keep in mind, if Mavs win game 5, this is going to 7. And Celtics don't want that, because Luka in game 7 is usually just... like he's never hurt or fat. He's simply scary.


This series will be a huge regret for us because Boston is not unbeatable, they are very good but we are too.

Kidd screwed us.

It's not automatic be in the Finals every year, when you the opportunity you have to win.
Jordan won 6 Finals on 6.

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