Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Maverick41]

Collier... if Kessler is in play (perfect long-term C, and out this season for team tank), something like Gaff/PJ/pieces for Isiah/Kessler/pieces.

PJ can't be traded this season and we really shouldn't trade him anyway. He's the heart of the team.

I do like Collier's fit here though. Very good defender, can slash well but shooting is a problem. I wonder if there is any way they consider a Lively+Hardy+SRP(s) for Kessler/Collier swap. Utah in this case gets to keep a rookie-contract starting level C in Lively instead of paying Kessler after a season ending injury. Problem for DAL is that we become way over the 2nd apron in the offseason after giving Kessler his extension unless we make roster adjustments for some expirings. Also Ainge probably asks for a FRP or 2 which then becomes a dealbreaker.

[Super Cooper]

Dyson Daniels and Isiah Collier fit the age range I’d like to see the Mavs add when it comes to PG. What would it realistically take to acquire either of them.

Dyson... the good news is in Trey's absence he's proven to be a legit PG and not just a defensive stud playing off the ball. I don't see them wanting either Kyrie (awful combo with Trey) or AD (age, durability). If it's an asset they'd want from DAL, IMO that's PJ. While I LOVE PJ, last night was an indication of what Cooper could be at his natural position of PF. Dyson is the better fit. Now Dyson is difficult bc he is $7.7m outgoing and $21.5m incoming. You'd need a 3rd team with lots of cap room to absorb the $13.8m discrepancy.

Collier... if Kessler is in play (perfect long-term C, and out this season for team tank), something like Gaff/PJ/pieces for Isiah/Kessler/pieces.

What are the chances a team like OKC makes a trade for AD? They have a ton of draft assets (none of which realistically make this current OKC squad) and considering they are a veteran team how likely is it they would make a move to add AD instead of adding a couple of rookies at the end of their bench. They also vastly improve their Center position. They could also do this trade without including the ‘26 Clippers pick they currently own (although IF the Mavs could get that pick that would be great obviously).

Edit: and when I say vastly improve their center position I mean Hartenstein not Chet. AD would be added to play next to Chet (with Hartenstein coming back to Dallas). I’m no cap expert so I imagine a team like Brooklyn would need to be involved to make everything work cap wise.

They are way over the cap next season, but have a team option on Hartenstein and Dort. They're not going to turn either of those contracts into ones >1 year. They still need to shed about $20m next year if the cap stays the same. I could see them moving Joe, Wiggins, and/or Jaylin (not JDub) for expiring.

Looking at it, Klay would be be perfect if next season was a team option. Thanks Nico!

[dirkules_41]

Damn! This board is dead. Lot's to discuss, folks.

Turns out that´s what trading your generational superstar who is just entering his prime for 2 bags of chips and a corn fritter does for a franchise.

Indeed. Any thoughts on my analysis?

Not a fan of the target list - many either unattainable or fail the eye test on various levels (Daniels can't shoot from deep, Miami guy is too short, Jrue is 457 years old, etc.).
I agree largely on the trade/no-trade list but I think unfortunately Gafford would be the first to go as he's easy to move and there's a laundry list of people after him. The general buckets you made and desirability to move them I'd sign off on.

[MassimoPayne]

Dyson Daniels and Isiah Collier fit the age range I’d like to see the Mavs add when it comes to PG. What would it realistically take to acquire either of them.

Dyson... the good news is in Trey's absence he's proven to be a legit PG and not just a defensive stud playing off the ball. I don't see them wanting either Kyrie (awful combo with Trey) or AD (age, durability). If it's an asset they'd want from DAL, IMO that's PJ. While I LOVE PJ, last night was an indication of what Cooper could be at his natural position of PF. Dyson is the better fit. Now Dyson is difficult bc he is $7.7m outgoing and $21.5m incoming. You'd need a 3rd team with lots of cap room to absorb the $13.8m discrepancy.

Collier... if Kessler is in play (perfect long-term C, and out this season for team tank), something like Gaff/PJ/pieces for Isiah/Kessler/pieces.

What are the chances a team like OKC makes a trade for AD? They have a ton of draft assets (none of which realistically make this current OKC squad) and considering they are a veteran team how likely is it they would make a move to add AD instead of adding a couple of rookies at the end of their bench. They also vastly improve their Center position. They could also do this trade without including the ‘26 Clippers pick they currently own (although IF the Mavs could get that pick that would be great obviously).

Edit: and when I say vastly improve their center position I mean Hartenstein not Chet. AD would be added to play next to Chet (with Hartenstein coming back to Dallas). I’m no cap expert so I imagine a team like Brooklyn would need to be involved to make everything work cap wise.

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

[Super Cooper]

Dyson... the good news is in Trey's absence he's proven to be a legit PG and not just a defensive stud playing off the ball. I don't see them wanting either Kyrie (awful combo with Trey) or AD (age, durability). If it's an asset they'd want from DAL, IMO that's PJ. While I LOVE PJ, last night was an indication of what Cooper could be at his natural position of PF. Dyson is the better fit. Now Dyson is difficult bc he is $7.7m outgoing and $21.5m incoming. You'd need a 3rd team with lots of cap room to absorb the $13.8m discrepancy.

Collier... if Kessler is in play (perfect long-term C, and out this season for team tank), something like Gaff/PJ/pieces for Isiah/Kessler/pieces.

What are the chances a team like OKC makes a trade for AD? They have a ton of draft assets (none of which realistically make this current OKC squad) and considering they are a veteran team how likely is it they would make a move to add AD instead of adding a couple of rookies at the end of their bench. They also vastly improve their Center position. They could also do this trade without including the ‘26 Clippers pick they currently own (although IF the Mavs could get that pick that would be great obviously).

Edit: and when I say vastly improve their center position I mean Hartenstein not Chet. AD would be added to play next to Chet (with Hartenstein coming back to Dallas). I’m no cap expert so I imagine a team like Brooklyn would need to be involved to make everything work cap wise.

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

He threw it out there as a question :eyeroll

[dirkules_41]

Dyson... the good news is in Trey's absence he's proven to be a legit PG and not just a defensive stud playing off the ball. I don't see them wanting either Kyrie (awful combo with Trey) or AD (age, durability). If it's an asset they'd want from DAL, IMO that's PJ. While I LOVE PJ, last night was an indication of what Cooper could be at his natural position of PF. Dyson is the better fit. Now Dyson is difficult bc he is $7.7m outgoing and $21.5m incoming. You'd need a 3rd team with lots of cap room to absorb the $13.8m discrepancy.

Collier... if Kessler is in play (perfect long-term C, and out this season for team tank), something like Gaff/PJ/pieces for Isiah/Kessler/pieces.

What are the chances a team like OKC makes a trade for AD? They have a ton of draft assets (none of which realistically make this current OKC squad) and considering they are a veteran team how likely is it they would make a move to add AD instead of adding a couple of rookies at the end of their bench. They also vastly improve their Center position. They could also do this trade without including the ‘26 Clippers pick they currently own (although IF the Mavs could get that pick that would be great obviously).

Edit: and when I say vastly improve their center position I mean Hartenstein not Chet. AD would be added to play next to Chet (with Hartenstein coming back to Dallas). I’m no cap expert so I imagine a team like Brooklyn would need to be involved to make everything work cap wise.

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

[Bob8]

What are the chances a team like OKC makes a trade for AD? They have a ton of draft assets (none of which realistically make this current OKC squad) and considering they are a veteran team how likely is it they would make a move to add AD instead of adding a couple of rookies at the end of their bench. They also vastly improve their Center position. They could also do this trade without including the ‘26 Clippers pick they currently own (although IF the Mavs could get that pick that would be great obviously).

Edit: and when I say vastly improve their center position I mean Hartenstein not Chet. AD would be added to play next to Chet (with Hartenstein coming back to Dallas). I’m no cap expert so I imagine a team like Brooklyn would need to be involved to make everything work cap wise.

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

[dirkules_41]

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

I'd rather pay AD 58 than Chet 41, escalating to 55. Chet is just as fragile/hardly more available and definitely not quite at ADs level on either side of the floor.

[Mr B]

-10000000%

what are you guys smoking?
OKC trading for AD???? Jesus Christ

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

There’s no guarantee that those rookies can play though. OKC is going to be in a position where they HAVE to do something. They can’t just cut players and allow rookies to take their spot and expect to be better (or even be as good as they are now). Again I’m not cap expert but it seems OKC will eventually have to either trade a few of their current important role players (everyone except SGA and Chet) or they will have to trade away several of those draft picks without taking much or anything back (as far as salaries). They won’t be able to keep their current roster AND add all those draft picks to their team.

They are going to have to consolidate their assets one way or another, even if they want no part of adding a player like AD. Something is going to have to give at some point soon.

[Bob8]

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

There’s no guarantee that those rookies can play though. OKC is going to be in a position where they HAVE to do something. They can’t just cut players and allow rookies to take their spot and expect to be better (or even be as good as they are now). Again I’m not cap expert but it seems OKC will eventually have to either trade a few of their current important role players (everyone except SGA and Chet) or they will have to trade away several of those draft picks without taking much or anything back (as far as salaries). They won’t be able to keep their current roster AND add all those draft picks to their team.

They are going to have to consolidate their assets one way or another, even if they want no part of adding a player like AD. Something is going to have to give at some point soon.

Point is that they will have 3 players on max salary and adding 4th, who's btw. making far the most of those 4 players, is totally out of the question, even if Presti would for some unknown reason like injury prone AD, which is very unlikely in the first place.

They won't be able to keep everyone, but Sga, Chet and Jalen are pretty good base to add some rookies to.

[Bob8]

I'm not so sure - they'll eventually (i.e. next offseason already) run into cap topics and they'll continue having a vast influx of talent over the next years. So why not go for the absolute killshot in terms of securing more titles now if it can be done at the right price point.
I'd say it's a low probability but given how asset rich they are and that there's no time like the present I'm not so sure. He's definitely the closest thing to the type of player that would further improve their roster.

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

I'd rather pay AD 58 than Chet 41, escalating to 55. Chet is just as fragile/hardly more available and definitely not quite at ADs level on either side of the floor.

Chet is 10 years younger and those 17 mio are huge for next year salary wise. And he's for sure much better fit than AD on 4.

[daoneandonly]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

[dirkules_41]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

[Mr B]

They have to pay Chet and Jalen, there's no way they will pay AD 58 mio. They are going to opposite way, change some role players with cheaper rookie contracts.

There’s no guarantee that those rookies can play though. OKC is going to be in a position where they HAVE to do something. They can’t just cut players and allow rookies to take their spot and expect to be better (or even be as good as they are now). Again I’m not cap expert but it seems OKC will eventually have to either trade a few of their current important role players (everyone except SGA and Chet) or they will have to trade away several of those draft picks without taking much or anything back (as far as salaries). They won’t be able to keep their current roster AND add all those draft picks to their team.

They are going to have to consolidate their assets one way or another, even if they want no part of adding a player like AD. Something is going to have to give at some point soon.

Point is that they will have 3 players on max salary and adding 4th, who's btw. making far the most of those 4 players, is totally out of the question, even if Presti would for some unknown reason like injury prone AD, which is very unlikely in the first place.

They won't be able to keep everyone, but Sga, Chet and Jalen are pretty good base to add some rookies to.

You’re right about not being able to add a salary like AD’s. Again I’m not a cap expert so I’ll defer to you on that.

With that said, based on what you explained about the cap and their situation that means they have a ton of good role players that will need to be moved. That includes guys like Dort, Caruso, Hartenstein, Wallace, and even a lesser player (but fairly decent young PG) in Chris Youngblood.

Youngblood and Wallace fit the Cooper Flagg timeline. What do you think are the chances the Mavs could acquire one of those guys?

[daoneandonly]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

I dont see any way ATL would give up the nOP 2026, which is why I said least favorable. And Daniels and OO would be nice, but they carry much more value than AD at 54 mil

[Archx]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

[dirkules_41]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

[Bob8]

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

Beal was bought out, there was absolutely no market for him, his new value will be well under 10 million.

You said the best, healthy at times. 2 seasons over 60 games since Luka came in Nba and he will miss 60 games this year too. 1 mio+ per game is extremely expensive and other problem is that contenders mostly don't have many assets for trading.

[dirkules_41]

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

Beal was bought out, there was absolutely no market for him, his new value will be well under 10 million.

You said the best, healthy at times. 2 seasons over 60 games since Luka came in Nba and he will miss 60 games this year too.

People love him around the league. Not as much as Nico does but he is a very popular player.

[Archx]

Absolutely not. First of all most favourable FRP needs to be the starting point for any conversation - 2028 FRP I don't give a f about, that's lightyears away. and Kennard is a 10-15th man, KP would be gone in the summer. Horrible value.
If you wanna deal with the Hawks I'd wanna see at least 2 of 3 of Okongwu, Daniels and Krejci as a starting point.

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

I do like AD, i think he's insanely good player when he's healthy and in shape. But he's neither right now and is getting older and older. His salary in his final year will be 63M with a player option. Then his agent will want max extension which is 70M+. Now that is a HUGE gamble. Who will want to trade for all of that? And what possible return can you get for such a gamble?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2027

Even Bulls are basically saying the same thing.

[Collier] The Bulls have had internal discussions about Dallas Mavericks star Anthony Davis, sources told ESPN, whom they believe could help the team’s porous rim protection and defensive interior.

However, team sources said the Bulls will not sacrifice any of their young core to execute such a deal until the team is closer to contention.

"I don't think going out and chasing X megastar is the way to proceed -- at least today," one source told ESPN.