Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Mavrelous]

But if Mavs want to play it out, you know what that means, right? The more he plays the higher chances are he'll get injured again and further tank his value.
We know Mavs won't go anywhere this year and maybe even next year. Who knows how AD/Kyrie will even look like. But this talk about him being negative value, etc, i think is mostly because of his wild contract. And the fact that his agent already said they'll will want max no matter where he ends up if he's traded. And his max will apparently be at 70M+ as 34/35yo.

I mean, right now, his value is expiring contracts and a 1st, and not a great one at that, at this valuation, I'd totally risk him getting injured, the upside of him being available far outweighs this 1st, the cost is only Addleson's money wasted, I count that as a blessing...

AD might not be worth much, but just imagine how much he will worth in 2 years time and new extension? Not controlling any of next 4 years picks and your 2 superstars don't worth anything is not exactly situation you want around Flagg.

I'm not offering an extension, I don't think what he has provided warrants pouting over not getting one.
I think this team has good potential if Kyrie comes back early and has some reps for post all star push, Mavs shouldn't sell that for peanuts just to get rid of AD.

[Bob8]

I mean, right now, his value is expiring contracts and a 1st, and not a great one at that, at this valuation, I'd totally risk him getting injured, the upside of him being available far outweighs this 1st, the cost is only Addleson's money wasted, I count that as a blessing...

AD might not be worth much, but just imagine how much he will worth in 2 years time and new extension? Not controlling any of next 4 years picks and your 2 superstars don't worth anything is not exactly situation you want around Flagg.

I'm not offering an extension, I don't think what he has provided warrants pouting over not getting one.
I think this team has good potential if Kyrie comes back early and has some reps for post all star push, Mavs shouldn't sell that for peanuts just to get rid of AD.

You know what that good potential most likely means? At best being 8th seed in playoffs. Missing lottery and going out in first round against OKC.

[Mavrelous]

AD might not be worth much, but just imagine how much he will worth in 2 years time and new extension? Not controlling any of next 4 years picks and your 2 superstars don't worth anything is not exactly situation you want around Flagg.

I'm not offering an extension, I don't think what he has provided warrants pouting over not getting one.
I think this team has good potential if Kyrie comes back early and has some reps for post all star push, Mavs shouldn't sell that for peanuts just to get rid of AD.

You know what that good potential most likely means? At best being 8th seed in playoffs. Missing lottery and going out in first round against OKC.

I'm fine with that, Flagg should get some PO reps, Mavs aren't catching the tankers, they will at best be 8th or 9th worst, I'd rather go for the play in and see what happens.

[Archx]

I'm not offering an extension, I don't think what he has provided warrants pouting over not getting one.
I think this team has good potential if Kyrie comes back early and has some reps for post all star push, Mavs shouldn't sell that for peanuts just to get rid of AD.

You know what that good potential most likely means? At best being 8th seed in playoffs. Missing lottery and going out in first round against OKC.

I'm fine with that, Flagg should get some PO reps, Mavs aren't catching the tankers, they will at best be 8th or 9th worst, I'd rather go for the play in and see what happens.

You sure that's the best idea? Mavs control their own draft pick in a potential historically strong draft. For Flagg to experience 1st round exist? Come on

Let's also not forget luxury tax penalties that Mavs will be hit with next season.

[Bob8]

You know what that good potential most likely means? At best being 8th seed in playoffs. Missing lottery and going out in first round against OKC.

I'm fine with that, Flagg should get some PO reps, Mavs aren't catching the tankers, they will at best be 8th or 9th worst, I'd rather go for the play in and see what happens.

You sure that's the best idea? Mavs control their own draft pick in a potential historically strong draft. For Flagg to experience 1st round exist? Come on

Let's also not forget luxury tax penalties that Mavs will be hit with next season.

I believe there's a problem with perception here. Mavs might be indeed pretty solid RS team, when everyone available, because their depth is real. But in playoffs pace goes down a lot and half court offense becomes crucial. And that's not exactly where Mavs excel. I believe it would be a massacre against OKC. Nobody needs that. Especially not in a year when Mavs have their own draft pick.

[Mavrelous]

You know what that good potential most likely means? At best being 8th seed in playoffs. Missing lottery and going out in first round against OKC.

I'm fine with that, Flagg should get some PO reps, Mavs aren't catching the tankers, they will at best be 8th or 9th worst, I'd rather go for the play in and see what happens.

You sure that's the best idea? Mavs control their own draft pick in a potential historically strong draft. For Flagg to experience 1st round exist? Come on

Let's also not forget luxury tax penalties that Mavs will be hit with next season.

Yes, 0 interest in the futile chase of 7-8% chance at top 3 pick.
I jist don't subscribe to the school of championship or bust, PO team with a punchers chance is better than lottery team.

[daoneandonly]

Im with the trade AD guys. AD is a loser, he showed his heart (or lack thereof) in the OKC game. He makes 54 mil a year and isnt close to that level of a player, add to that he barely plays.

If you can get any combo of picks, young guys, or a solid starting caliber SG for AD, do it and do it now

[Mr B]

The goal is to win a title. I don’t think anyone is beating OKC in a 7 game series though. I say if AD’s value is too low and if no one wants his contract I say keep AD and play him. Do your best to win and pray that he can stay fairly healthy. Then trade him prior to the draft or just continue to hold on to him. Within 2 seasons his value is going to increase simply because of his contract. He will be $62M expiring in 2 seasons. If the Mavs hold on to him and Kyrie until 2027 they will have about $100M coming off their books.

[Super Cooper]

Are we debating unicorns again? Whether you agree with it or not, the Mavs are not going to tank. How about debating things that have a snowball's chance in Hell rather than theoretical fantasy?

Suggestions...
1. Can Nemb be the go-forward PG?
2. Can Nemb work with Kyrie?
3. Who would you like as the main target if AD gets moved?
4. Who would you like as the main target if Kyrie is moved?
5. Will Coop be able to develop to his fullest with PJ at PF?

[Super Cooper]

The goal is to win a title. I don’t think anyone is beating OKC in a 7 game series though. I say if AD’s value is too low and if no one wants his contract I say keep AD and play him. Do your best to win and pray that he can stay fairly healthy. Then trade him prior to the draft or just continue to hold on to him. Within 2 seasons his value is going to increase simply because of his contract. He will be $62M expiring in 2 seasons. If the Mavs hold on to him and Kyrie until 2027 they will have about $100M coming off their books.

Yup. If I had to guess, the Mavs are leaning in this direction. You can just hang them up because OKC is so good and young. I mean, I thought the same with the Celtics, then a bad year and a Tatum injury later, they're meh. An SGA injury could do the same to OKC. You put on the floor the very best team that doesn't hamstring your future.

[Archx]

The goal is to win a title. I don’t think anyone is beating OKC in a 7 game series though. I say if AD’s value is too low and if no one wants his contract I say keep AD and play him. Do your best to win and pray that he can stay fairly healthy. Then trade him prior to the draft or just continue to hold on to him. Within 2 seasons his value is going to increase simply because of his contract. He will be $62M expiring in 2 seasons. If the Mavs hold on to him and Kyrie until 2027 they will have about $100M coming off their books.

Yup. If I had to guess, the Mavs are leaning in this direction. You can just hang them up because OKC is so good and young. I mean, I thought the same with the Celtics, then a bad year and a Tatum injury later, they're meh. An SGA injury could do the same to OKC. You put on the floor the very best team that doesn't hamstring your future.

OKC probably won't even need SGA at that point, their core will only get better and they still have nr1 lottery picks incoming, that's completely insane to think about. Their foundations are so strong it will take someone's monumental effort to beat them.

Regarding Mavs, sure, AD comes off books in 3 years, but that will only mean Mavs will lose him for absolutely nothing. His value also won't get any better because his contract is only getting higher and his agent said they'll want max once he gets to a new team, that doesn't exactly sound like AD is willing to bend the knee and adapt to any team.

No matter how you spin it, trade him NOW, get a good pick in a very strong draft, INVEST rest of the cap in Christie, Nembhard, Flagg and whoever also fits in the timeline. This is what OKC did and this is what historically every single team is also trying to do. Mavs got insanely lucky with Flagg and your chance to build something strong is NOW, not 3 years from now.

Klay, Kyrie, AD even Gafford... all these guys could get you something decent in return. Maybe a championship contender will be willing to pay extra just to compete with OKC.

[Maverick41]

To me, we would be screwing ourselves by not tanking enough to get a top 8 pick. We need to add a lottery level prospect now or we won't have a stab at it for a while.

I'm fully on board with trading AD but it can't be a panic trade. Minimum of 2 FRPs, a decent young prospect and preferably expirings. If we can't at least meet 2 of the 3, DAL should probably just keep him and shut him down. Let him get his legs and eye right and try again next season.

[ddavmor]

IMO the only good trade for the mavericks is with Chicago. No one else makes any sense.

[ddavmor]

If they can't work out a trade with Chicago, they need to keep AD and trade Thompson for expiring to get under the cap.

[Maverick41]

The AD situation will likely be solved after we have a resolution to the Giannis sweepstakes. If teams like ATL, CHI, MIA, NY, etc. strike out on the Giannis sweepstakes, they will be far more interested in AD and will have buyers remorse enough to pivot to the consolation prize. By then, hopefully AD has shown enough on the court to recoup some of his value. It's incumbent that the medical team is heavily involved with AD right now and that Kidd isn't playing AD unnecessary or an inordinate amount of minutes. We can't have what Kidd did with the other day where he was somehow playing AD in the 4th against OKC in a 20+ pt blowout again.

[Mr B]

The goal is to win a title. I don’t think anyone is beating OKC in a 7 game series though. I say if AD’s value is too low and if no one wants his contract I say keep AD and play him. Do your best to win and pray that he can stay fairly healthy. Then trade him prior to the draft or just continue to hold on to him. Within 2 seasons his value is going to increase simply because of his contract. He will be $62M expiring in 2 seasons. If the Mavs hold on to him and Kyrie until 2027 they will have about $100M coming off their books.

Yup. If I had to guess, the Mavs are leaning in this direction. You can just hang them up because OKC is so good and young. I mean, I thought the same with the Celtics, then a bad year and a Tatum injury later, they're meh. An SGA injury could do the same to OKC. You put on the floor the very best team that doesn't hamstring your future.

OKC probably won't even need SGA at that point, their core will only get better and they still have nr1 lottery picks incoming, that's completely insane to think about. Their foundations are so strong it will take someone's monumental effort to beat them.

Regarding Mavs, sure, AD comes off books in 3 years, but that will only mean Mavs will lose him for absolutely nothing. His value also won't get any better because his contract is only getting higher and his agent said they'll want max once he gets to a new team, that doesn't exactly sound like AD is willing to bend the knee and adapt to any team.

No matter how you spin it, trade him NOW, get a good pick in a very strong draft, INVEST rest of the cap in Christie, Nembhard, Flagg and whoever also fits in the timeline. This is what OKC did and this is what historically every single team is also trying to do. Mavs got insanely lucky with Flagg and your chance to build something strong is NOW, not 3 years from now.

Klay, Kyrie, AD even Gafford... all these guys could get you something decent in return. Maybe a championship contender will be willing to pay extra just to compete with OKC.

I would include Naji in the list of players that other teams would like to trade for. And I agree that I would prefer for the team to trade all those guys and get as many top 10 picks in this draft and the next couple of drafts.

I don’t think that is what the team wants to do though. Also I think if you ask Cooper Flagg he would prefer to try to win. Pissing off your future superstar by purposely tanking the team is also not the best thing to do.

[fuller4379]

If they can't work out a trade with Chicago, they need to keep AD and trade Thompson for expiring to get under the cap.

It is going to be hard to trade Thompson without giving up a draft pick. He is a negative asset.

[Super Cooper]

If they can't work out a trade with Chicago, they need to keep AD and trade Thompson for expiring to get under the cap.

It is going to be hard to trade Thompson without giving up a draft pick. He is a negative asset.

I disagree that he is a negative asset, not to mention how do you know draft capital is needed without knowing whom he's getting traded for? That's a complete unknown.

[41Dirk41]

The goal is to win a title. I don’t think anyone is beating OKC in a 7 game series though. I say if AD’s value is too low and if no one wants his contract I say keep AD and play him. Do your best to win and pray that he can stay fairly healthy. Then trade him prior to the draft or just continue to hold on to him. Within 2 seasons his value is going to increase simply because of his contract. He will be $62M expiring in 2 seasons. If the Mavs hold on to him and Kyrie until 2027 they will have about $100M coming off their books.

Yes and when all teams face it then street clothes will be more desirable because he is a ready plug&play superstar all defensive team for a team who needs an istant leap. He has a lot of respect in the league.

Keep calm, the last 5/6 spots are impossible to reach for us... Too much bad teams.

Dump all our players for an high pick is risky, if we will draft a bust (not so hard) we are done.

Good offers will come for sure... Trust me.

[Michaellam1987]

If everyone is healthy come playoff time, our top 7 will be KI/Max/Klay/Naji/PJ/Flagg/AD, plus our C and PG. That should be decent enough to present any chance for us to go against any team in the league.