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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#1361 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:01 am

Darren wrote:To be sure, I want Exum more than DoLo..


DoLo has the most upside offensively, while he is still young enough, and IMO, he has the decent physical tools to be at least average defensively.
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Post#1362 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:03 am

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Maverick41 wrote:I would take that deal for DAL. Monk would add a lot of dynamics to the backcourt with Kyrie out and also be able to play with him when he gets back. Can sign Exum after to add a little more steadiness.


Yea in Sac we saw the lineups that had 2 of Lavine, Demar, Monk together have some success, when all 3 played together it was a disaster. We are stuck with Zach, and looks like probably Demar as well.

We are pretty much screwed at pg anyways.

Sabonis/Jval/Maxime
Keegan/Martin
Naji/Nique
LaVine/Demar
Keon/Carter

Wonder if Sac can get away with running Keon at point with 3 other capable handlers in the lineup.


Yea I really like Naji and the swag he brings, but this is a deal Dallas should do. I am absolutely against trading PJ for Monk, but if we can do a 2 for 1 where we also remove Nico's guy Martin from the equation, I'll applaud it. Monk is not a PG so I'd really hope Kidd could be a real coach and tell Klay look its not in the team's best interest for you to start right now, maybe when Ky returns.


That is an awful offer for Monk, whose value is large higher than the combined trade values of Naji+Celab
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Post#1363 » by arkuo » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:05 am

I've seen conflicting reports. With PJ's new contract + Cooper Flagg, do we go above the 2nd apron? Do the new 2 way players count?
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Post#1364 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:35 am

arkuo wrote:I've seen conflicting reports. With PJ's new contract + Cooper Flagg, do we go above the 2nd apron? Do the new 2 way players count?


We are still slightly below the 2nd apron, after spending the 5.7 mini MLE on DoLo. PJ new contract with increasing salary will be counted next year. 2 way player salary is very minimal and large portion of it is not guaranteed.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#1365 » by Darren » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:41 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
Darren wrote:To be sure, I want Exum more than DoLo..


DoLo has the most upside offensively, while he is still young enough, and IMO, he has the decent physical tools to be at least average defensively.


DoLo is 31. Actually Exum is similar in age and is significantly better 2-way contributors. Maybe both can't do much against great teams. But Exum had played an exceptional game against OKC. Exum is actually better shooter and defender on more reasonable contract.
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Post#1366 » by arkuo » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:43 am

Darren wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
Darren wrote:To be sure, I want Exum more than DoLo..


DoLo has the most upside offensively, while he is still young enough, and IMO, he has the decent physical tools to be at least average defensively.


DoLo is 31. Actually Exum is similar in age and is significantly better 2-way contributors. Maybe both can't do much against great teams. But Exum had played an exceptional game against OKC. Exum is actually better shooter and defender on more reasonable contract.


Just sign both. Let Dinwiddie walk.
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Post#1367 » by Darren » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:59 am

Conley and Dillingham for Martin and Christe. The Mavs gets a stopgap PG and a project who's 8th overall. I think Minny will retain Alexander and promise a bigger role. Whether or not, it's going to be good depends on how Christie and Dillingham plan out.
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Post#1368 » by Darren » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:08 am

Ace Bailey will not report to Jazz. What a strange situation since Jason William? What a waste of pick.
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Post#1369 » by Darren » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:02 am

I think I may prefer Ben Simmons to DoLo.
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Post#1370 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:21 am

Darren wrote:
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Darren wrote:To be sure, I want Exum more than DoLo..


DoLo has the most upside offensively, while he is still young enough, and IMO, he has the decent physical tools to be at least average defensively.


DoLo is 31. Actually Exum is similar in age and is significantly better 2-way contributors. Maybe both can't do much against great teams. But Exum had played an exceptional game against OKC. Exum is actually better shooter and defender on more reasonable contract.


DoLo is 29, not 31. I also dont agree Exum is better shooter, defender I will give you that, but Exum is not lock down defender either. But in term of pick and roll execution, passing, ball handing etc. I will give edge to DoLo. Without Irving, our offense is in a complete mess, that it is clearly neither Exum nor Dinwiddie can be the solution, Coach kidd is not that good in term of game plan offensively. If we choose to bring back Exum, instead of DoLo, I dont think there will be much improvement to be expected.
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Post#1371 » by daoneandonly » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:28 am

Dlo and wxum suck and shouldn't even be considered. I'd honestly rather have Barea at his age than those guys
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Post#1372 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:28 am

Darren wrote:Conley and Dillingham for Martin and Christe. The Mavs gets a stopgap PG and a project who's 8th overall. I think Minny will retain Alexander and promise a bigger role. Whether or not, it's going to be good depends on how Christie and Dillingham plan out.


Why MIN gives up 2 PGs in return for SG and SF? This will create roster imbalance. Also, Conley is expiring contract, Dillingham still has huge potential and under rookie deal, Martin is overpaid based on his recent performance still have 3 years remaining, Christie has potential, but MIN has DiVincenzo, and also Shannon to play the similar role, even they dont bring back NAW. Overall, the trade is too one side favoured, and not realistic at all.
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Post#1373 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:33 am

I really dislike DLo, but he hits the 2 most crucial needs, ball handling and shooting.
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Post#1374 » by daoneandonly » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:36 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
Yea in Sac we saw the lineups that had 2 of Lavine, Demar, Monk together have some success, when all 3 played together it was a disaster. We are stuck with Zach, and looks like probably Demar as well.

We are pretty much screwed at pg anyways.

Sabonis/Jval/Maxime
Keegan/Martin
Naji/Nique
LaVine/Demar
Keon/Carter

Wonder if Sac can get away with running Keon at point with 3 other capable handlers in the lineup.


Yea I really like Naji and the swag he brings, but this is a deal Dallas should do. I am absolutely against trading PJ for Monk, but if we can do a 2 for 1 where we also remove Nico's guy Martin from the equation, I'll applaud it. Monk is not a PG so I'd really hope Kidd could be a real coach and tell Klay look its not in the team's best interest for you to start right now, maybe when Ky returns.


That is an awful offer for Monk, whose value is large higher than the combined trade values of Naji+Celab


I think you have a high valuation of an undersized SG with minimal PG skills. This guy is a lesser Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford
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Post#1375 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:41 am

daoneandonly wrote:Dlo and wxum suck and shouldn't even be considered. I'd honestly rather have Barea at his age than those guys


We are all fellow DAL fans, and all we want to see DAL become good again, we now have the mini MLE available, and if you tell me you would rather have Barea, this is not rational at all. Of coz, Dlo/Exum all have flaw, and all my friends, we only have 5.7M to offer, who we expect to get? I would also love to have someone, who can shoot, can dribble, can assist, 2 way player, but come on, that player likely cause you 57M, instead of 5.7M. What we can do right now is to improve based on what we have on hand. I want love to trade for Coby white, but it will cause you a lot, while we dont want to give up many future firsts, so what is the next step?

If we do nothing, then my recent memory pop out again that we get defeated by MEM easily in the play in, in which that MEM team get destroyed by OKC. Cooper does help a lot, but can this singlehandly bring us back to what we wants to be?
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Post#1376 » by daoneandonly » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:44 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Dlo and wxum suck and shouldn't even be considered. I'd honestly rather have Barea at his age than those guys


We are all fellow DAL fans, and all we want to see DAL become good again, we now have the mini MLE available, and if you tell me you would rather have Barea, this is not rational at all. Of coz, Dlo/Exum all have flaw, and all my friends, we only have 5.7M to offer, who we expect to get? I would also love to have someone, who can shoot, can dribble, can assist, 2 way player, but come on, that player likely cause you 57M, instead of 5.7M. What we can do right now is to improve based on what we have on hand. I want love to trade for Coby white, but it will cause you a lot, while we dont want to give up many future firsts, so what is the next step?

If we do nothing, then my recent memory pop out again that we get defeated by MEM easily in the play in, in which that MEM team get destroyed by OKC. Cooper does help a lot, but can this singlehandly bring us back to what we wants to be?


Mental makeup matter a lot, these 2 don't have it. Dlo is immature, doesn't play d, and only cares about his stats. Exum is weak like AD, if his nose is running, he'll miss 14 straight games. Yea I'd rather get defeated by Memphis than root for guts like this
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Post#1377 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:46 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Yea I really like Naji and the swag he brings, but this is a deal Dallas should do. I am absolutely against trading PJ for Monk, but if we can do a 2 for 1 where we also remove Nico's guy Martin from the equation, I'll applaud it. Monk is not a PG so I'd really hope Kidd could be a real coach and tell Klay look its not in the team's best interest for you to start right now, maybe when Ky returns.


That is an awful offer for Monk, whose value is large higher than the combined trade values of Naji+Celab


I think you have a high valuation of an undersized SG with minimal PG skills. This guy is a lesser Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford


so can you tell me that who you think from the angle of view in the market, has higher value? Monk or Celab + Naji? Remember it is Naji + Celab, not Naji alone. Of coz Monk is not perfect, but IMO his value is higher, and hence SAC wont agree to this trade, and that is what I am saying.
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Post#1378 » by daoneandonly » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:55 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
That is an awful offer for Monk, whose value is large higher than the combined trade values of Naji+Celab


I think you have a high valuation of an undersized SG with minimal PG skills. This guy is a lesser Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford


so can you tell me that who you think from the angle of view in the market, has higher value? Monk or Celab + Naji? Remember it is Naji + Celab, not Naji alone. Of coz Monk is not perfect, but IMO his value is higher, and hence SAC wont agree to this trade, and that is what I am saying.


Then what's your proposal? Pj is way better than Monk, so trading him is foolish. Naji is much cheaper, so it has to be Martin or Hardy/Powell. So if we're short, then fine no trade. But you don't add picks or better players for Malik Monk
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#1379 » by arkuo » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:58 am

If Coop's experiment at point forward is pushing through, then PJ will have a starting spot as well. No need to trade him.
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Post#1380 » by Michaellam1987 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:08 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
I think you have a high valuation of an undersized SG with minimal PG skills. This guy is a lesser Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford


so can you tell me that who you think from the angle of view in the market, has higher value? Monk or Celab + Naji? Remember it is Naji + Celab, not Naji alone. Of coz Monk is not perfect, but IMO his value is higher, and hence SAC wont agree to this trade, and that is what I am saying.


Then what's your proposal? Pj is way better than Monk, so trading him is foolish. Naji is much cheaper, so it has to be Martin or Hardy/Powell. So if we're short, then fine no trade. But you don't add picks or better players for Malik Monk


My proposal is to try to use the mini MLE to see who we can get in the FA market, try to develop B-Will, sign PG with potential into 2 way contract. Maintain our standing on reasonable position in the tough western conference, before Irving returns. In term of trade market, IMO no need to rush.

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