Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[joesha1698]

Even if they had the 2FRPs he wouldn't be coming to the Mavs with Irving on the team.

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Why?? He doesn't exactly have a no trade clause

Let's just say Irving's past comments and Deni prolly aren't going align very well.

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He actually never made any comments. He posted a link to a historical / religious documentary on YouTube that explores African and Jewish religious history. Shaq who works for TNT ( that partners with the NBA) showed the same documentary at one of his movies theaters he owns. The NBA is also considering Amazon as a future partner in a TV deal. The reality is, the NBA and or the NY media was simply trying to punish Kyrie for his vaccine stance. It had nothing to do with some documentary link.

Lastly, if that scrub doesn't want to play with Kyrie because of this - he's soft and I don't want him on this team anyway. I don't care about fake outrage. That's all this whole thing was. Most people haven't seen the movie and don't even know what the controversy is about because it's was fake from the get go.

If someone wants to challenge my beliefs or history - I don't get to just call them racist and try to unfairly dirty their name because they disagree with His story.

That's all history is....someone's story. I would welcome a open and honest debate but people who seek to control you don't do that. They just try to silence you. Like Bill Maher who recently interviewed Kayne West for 2 hours and then claimed he didn't air it because Kayne is anti semitic but I've heard bill Maher make racist and anti Christian, anti muslim, and other prejudice statements for years...Yet he and many people like him claim that others do not get the same grace to question things or even make mistakes. People like him are hypocrites and seek to rule over others.

[ejs78]

Why?? He doesn't exactly have a no trade clause

Let's just say Irving's past comments and Deni prolly aren't going align very well.

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He actually never made any comments. He posted a link to a historical / religious documentary on YouTube that explores African and Jewish religious history. Shaq who works for TNT ( that partners with the NBA) showed the same documentary at one of his movies theaters he owns. The NBA is also considering Amazon as a future partner in a TV deal. The reality is, the NBA and or the NY media was simply trying to punish Kyrie for his vaccine stance. It had nothing to do with some documentary link.

Lastly, if that scrub doesn't want to play with Kyrie because of this - he's soft and I don't want him on this team anyway. I don't care about fake outrage. That's all this whole thing was. Most people haven't seen the movie and don't even know what the controversy is about because it's was fake from the get go.

If someone wants to challenge my beliefs or history - I don't get to just call them racist and try to unfairly dirty their name because they disagree with His story.

That's all history is....someone's story. I would welcome a open and honest debate but people who seek to control you don't do that. They just try to silence you. Like Bill Maher who recently interviewed Kayne West for 2 hours and then claimed he didn't air it because Kayne is anti semitic but I've heard bill Maher make racist and anti Christian, anti muslim, and other prejudice statements for years...Yet he and many people like him claim that others do not get the same grace to question things or even make mistakes. People like him are hypocrites and seek to rule over others.

You are correct he posted a link and there were no comments. Either way its a very low probability of Deni being a Mav.


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[tleikheen]

ejs78 wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:

Why?? He doesn't exactly have a no trade clause
Let's just say Irving's past comments and Deni prolly aren't going align very well.

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He actually never made any comments. He posted a link to a historical / religious documentary on YouTube that explores African and Jewish religious history. Shaq who works for TNT ( that partners with the NBA) showed the same documentary at one of his movies theaters he owns. The NBA is also considering Amazon as a future partner in a TV deal. The reality is, the NBA and or the NY media was simply trying to punish Kyrie for his vaccine stance. It had nothing to do with some documentary link.

Lastly, if that scrub doesn't want to play with Kyrie because of this - he's soft and I don't want him on this team anyway. I don't care about fake outrage. That's all this whole thing was. Most people haven't seen the movie and don't even know what the controversy is about because it's was fake from the get go.

If someone wants to challenge my beliefs or history - I don't get to just call them racist and try to unfairly dirty their name because they disagree with His story.

That's all history is....someone's story. I would welcome a open and honest debate but people who seek to control you don't do that. They just try to silence you. Like Bill Maher who recently interviewed Kayne West for 2 hours and then claimed he didn't air it because Kayne is anti semitic but I've heard bill Maher make racist and anti Christian, anti muslim, and other prejudice statements for years...Yet he and many people like him claim that others do not get the same grace to question things or even make mistakes. People like him are hypocrites and seek to rule over others.

When the uproar happened there was VERY FEW people of color in the uproar . As a 1st Nation fan and having many friends on the Pine Ridge Rez where Kyrie's and sisters Mom is from we wanted to see who was the most butthurt .This was a Caucasion uproar as we suspected . For those fanning the flames that Kyrie and Deni Avidja would have a problem playing together should the Mavs somehow fleece the Wizards ,I suspect its the same ones butthurt the 1st time.

[ozwizard8]

Kyrie is known as an antisemitic after his actions. You can not post some Nazi pictures, videos and then defend yourself as you didn't comment. Is this a punishable crime to share that antisemitic movie? Probably not. That being said I dont think Deni would mind to play with Kyrie. After all, there are many players around the league that openly racist against white players or dont like Jewish people. Even Luka gets some crazy ****. We all remember how Clippers players were saying white bitch etc to him in playoffs. Tons of Kenyon Martin type of players talking **** on media as well. Luka scoring 73 talked only negatively is giving enough ideas about the average racism against particular skin color in the league. I must say Luka's 73 points was crazy efficient and needed to seal the game too.

I dont think Deni would solve problems here. If Kyrie is not traded away, then we need more and more plus defenders, and good rebounders, tall players to balance it out.

Watching some other games, reading some other team forums, and also the injury news reminds me that there is always a small chance. For instance, if Embiid is gone for the season, it would change a lot in the East. Same thing for most star players and top teams like Denver-OKC-Clippers. Many teams also have some issues with their roster.
When playoff time comes, Luka Magic will solve many problems. Believe it or not, if healthy Maxi Kleber can take out $45m salary player called Gobert. Similarly, Grant Williams may start to make his shots and be a good role player too.

Let's just try to cover the glaring weakness of this team. We need wing players who are athletic, tall and can rebound. Kidnap Aaron Gordon? What is the best option after him? Jerami Grant? Kyle Kuzma?

[ozwizard8]

Kyrie trade and the contract was a 'win now' move.

I know it failed miserably. But if this team is in the 'win now' mode, then Cuban-Nico needs to get some help for this team. Luka definitely deserves it.

[ozwizard8]

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If this is a possibility, it would be smart for Dinwiddie to come back here. The guy was having career best stats here and plays really well off of Luka. Would also make both Hardy and THJ very expendable in TDL.

Textbook example of how Luka makes fringe players better. It is similar to Lebron and Harden's effect as Luka kinda plays similarly.
JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, they were lost at Phil Jackson's Knicks. They played much better with Lebron-Cavs.

Dinwiddie or DFS, I'd welcome them back if they're healthy and ready to ball.

Btw, people shouldn't be mad at Exum for injury. I mean the guy is playing for vet. min. Cant expect him to play 70 games with 25-30mpg on a playoff team. If you can add Dinwiddie from waivers, it would be good to have both.

[Mavrelous]

Regardless, Deni Avdija will take an overpay to be traded, he's not the right target to overpay, jack of all trades master of none type of guy.

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie is known as an antisemitic after his actions. You can not post some Nazi pictures, videos and then defend yourself as you didn't comment. Is this a punishable crime to share that antisemitic movie? Probably not.

Kyrie didn't post Nazi pictures, he shared a link to an Amazon documentary.
As a semitic person myself, well aware of the history of the region, I found the documentary to be extremely stupid, lacking any grasp with actual reality, on par with run of the mill conspiracy stuff like chips in vaccines and lizard people, not surprising it came from the same person who thought the earth is flat, with that said, I did NOT see ill intent or racism in it.

[Mavrelous]

THJ/Holmes/Exum/29 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/28 1st/30 1st.

[ozwizard8]

Kyrie is known as an antisemitic after his actions. You can not post some Nazi pictures, videos and then defend yourself as you didn't comment. Is this a punishable crime to share that antisemitic movie? Probably not.

Kyrie didn't post Nazi pictures, he shared a link to an Amazon documentary.
As a semitic person myself, well aware of the history of the region, I found the documentary to be extremely stupid, lacking any grasp with actual reality, on par with run of the mill conspiracy stuff like chips in vaccines and lizard people, not surprising it came from the same person who thought the earth is flat, with that said, I did NOT see ill intent or racism in it.

I know he didn't post Nazi pictures. It was an example. You cannot post things with no comment and then plead guilty.
Posting Nazi picture would be probably create legal consequences for him but not posting a so-called documentary.

[ozwizard8]

THJ/Holmes/Exum/29 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/28 1st/30 1st.

Why are Nets giving up two 1sts?

It is a lateral movement for their not winning season. It would be hard to justify spending trade capital for Nets unless they vastly improve their roster.

I think they consumed most of the DFS value as they kept him but not traded in last trade deadline or in summer. But still for what he is paid for DFS should have some value. $13m/year for 3&D wing player.

[Mavrelous]

THJ/Holmes/Exum/29 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/28 1st/30 1st.

Why are Nets giving up two 1sts?

It is a lateral movement for their not winning season. It would be hard to justify spending trade capital for Nets unless they vastly improve their roster.

I think they consumed most of the DFS value as they kept him but not traded in last trade deadline or in summer. But still for what he is paid for DFS should have some value. $13m/year for 3&D wing player.

Sorry, it's the opposite
THJ/Holmes/Exum/28 1st/30 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/29 1st.
They are giving up a 1st and getting 2.

[Mavrelous]

Listening to Locked on Mavs suggesting Smart:
Mavs Send:
THJ
Holmes
Exum
26/28/30 1sts

Mavs Receive:
DFS
Smart
291st

Nets Send:
Dinwiddie
DFS
291st

Nets Receive:
Holmes
THJ
Exum
28 1st/30 1st

Memphis Send:
Smart

Memphis Receive
Dinwiddie
26 1st

Mavs lineup:
Kyrie/Hardy/Seth
Smart/Green
Luka/DJJ/OMax
DFS/Grant Williams/Morris
Lively/Maxi/Powell

[ozwizard8]

THJ/Holmes/Exum/29 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/28 1st/30 1st.

Why are Nets giving up two 1sts?

It is a lateral movement for their not winning season. It would be hard to justify spending trade capital for Nets unless they vastly improve their roster.

I think they consumed most of the DFS value as they kept him but not traded in last trade deadline or in summer. But still for what he is paid for DFS should have some value. $13m/year for 3&D wing player.

Sorry, it's the opposite
THJ/Holmes/Exum/28 1st/30 1st for DFS/Dinwiddie/29 1st.
They are giving up a 1st and getting 2.

That makes sense. Feel like too much of a roster shake-up when you include THJ for Dinwiddie.

1. I never liked J.Kidd coming here to replace Carlisle. But to be fair, he brought the team to WCF with the help of not matching up against Kawhi-Clippers or Denver.
2. Next season they lost Brunson, which might be the stupidest move in the NBA for the last decade. Kidd was still able to manage the team without Brunson at 4th seed in the West. Cuban thinks Frank is the new Brunson and they expect C.Wood to be 2nd scorer. Then Cuban dismantled everything, and missed playoffs with a win-now move.
3. This offseason was good with Lively pick and FAs for the minimum cap. But we gotta admit that this is still a whole bunch of new players. And most of our front-court rotation is getting paid like bench players. No need to shake up the roster too much for lateral movement.

I am open to trade THJ-Exum if we get a bigger prize.
If we are going to give a 1st round pick for DFS, then try to do it straight. Holmes+28-30 firsts = DFS+29 first

[Maverick41]

Swapping FRPs with BRK to unlock a way to get give 2 FRPs is interesting. What about the following:

DAL Receives: DFS + O'Neale + 29 FRP
BRK Receives: THJ + Curry + 28 FRP + 30 FRP

DAL still stays just enough below the tax apron to still sign buy out guys (like Dinwiddie) after too. We cam still dangle the SRPs for a backup big in a separate trade.

[StoneIsland]

Seems like we are still in the pursue of Kuzma, but Wizards havent changed their mind regarding the asking price, per Woj.

It would help us a lot if Kuzma asks for trade.

[Mavrelous]

Seems like we are still in the pursue of Kuzma, but Wizards havent changed their mind regarding the asking price, per Woj.

It would help us a lot if Kuzma asks for trade.

I love it when teams take on 130/4 contract for a horrible player who had one good year and landed the contract partly as compensation for the punch for a crappy top 20 protected 1st, and then ask for the sky for an average role player.
If GMs oblige to these absurd asks, the asks will continue, best thing is turn away and count your losses.
Nico has already overpaid in many trades, at one point he needs to realize he's just digging himself into deeper hole.

[Bob8]

Swapping FRPs with BRK to unlock a way to get give 2 FRPs is interesting. What about the following:

DAL Receives: DFS + O'Neale + 29 FRP
BRK Receives: THJ + Curry + 28 FRP + 30 FRP

DAL still stays just enough below the tax apron to still sign buy out guys (like Dinwiddie) after too. We cam still dangle the SRPs for a backup big in a separate trade.

With that additional pick we need to get bigger players. DFS alone is not solving anything important for Mavs and THJ is much better than O'neale. We're just throwing 1 FRP away in this case.

[daoneandonly]

Just tell the Wiz to kick rocks. They already ripped us off in the KP trade, stop dealing with them at this point.

Move on to PJ. Trade Josh Green/Seth Curry for him. Then Grant Williams for a backup C. And if DInwiddie gets bought out, sign him.

[StoneIsland]

Just tell the Wiz to kick rocks. They already ripped us off in the KP trade, stop dealing with them at this point.

Move on to PJ. Trade Josh Green/Seth Curry for him. Then Grant Williams for a backup C. And if DInwiddie gets bought out, sign him.

That would be an ideal outcome, although Hornets would like someone like Hardy/Prosper instead of Curry. That could be the scenario where we get to keep our FRP which they wanted in the first case, alongside Green.

I am not into matching salaries, but could something like this be realistic:

Mavs OUT: Williams, Hardy, SRP
Mavs IN: Drummond, Patrick Williams

We could offer Williams a deal, ofcourse nowhere near the 120 millions he asked before the season.