Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

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I am not even trying to understand all that. Nothing you can rely on

Well.. he basically proved to you that Mavs don't control their 1st round draft picks until 2031 and either can they trade them. So yeah, a very bad situation. Those assets were dealt to build a team around Doncic, which they basically succeeded but then Nico went full r****d.

Not controlling your own pick vs having no 1st round pick at all are two very different conversations though. This forum is very doom and gloom. The reality is a lot more in the middle. If Coop develops also FA would become valuable during that period and we won't rely fully on draft.

Either way, I think having AD and Kyrie mentor the young guns and establishing a winning culture for Coop to flourish in is the way to go instead of hoping again on massive luck with coinflips and pingpong balls to land us a top 5 pick - we certainly won't be picking in the Top 5 based on regular season finish assuming we don't get hit by major injuries again.

I agree with what you said but you're forgetting one very important thing. Round 1 picks are very valuable when you try to upgrade via trade. The one thing Mavs can control themselves is this years pick. Then they can do whatever... Kyrie is not even playing and AD looks like he just wants out of Dallas as soon as possible, i'm not sure how much can Flagg even benefit from those two.

This year will be a starting point of what's to come. Veterans aren't getting younger and their value also will not magically increase. If you hold to them, then expiring contracts become valuable, not the player, but that also doesn't mean it will net you back the result you wanted few years back.

[dirkules_41]

Well.. he basically proved to you that Mavs don't control their 1st round draft picks until 2031 and either can they trade them. So yeah, a very bad situation. Those assets were dealt to build a team around Doncic, which they basically succeeded but then Nico went full r****d.

Not controlling your own pick vs having no 1st round pick at all are two very different conversations though. This forum is very doom and gloom. The reality is a lot more in the middle. If Coop develops also FA would become valuable during that period and we won't rely fully on draft.

Either way, I think having AD and Kyrie mentor the young guns and establishing a winning culture for Coop to flourish in is the way to go instead of hoping again on massive luck with coinflips and pingpong balls to land us a top 5 pick - we certainly won't be picking in the Top 5 based on regular season finish assuming we don't get hit by major injuries again.

I agree with what you said but you're forgetting one very important thing. Round 1 picks are very valuable when you try to upgrade via trade. The one thing Mavs can control themselves is this years pick. Then they can do whatever... Kyrie is not even playing and AD looks like he just wants out of Dallas as soon as possible, i'm not sure how much can Flagg even benefit from those two.

This year will be a starting point of what's to come. Veterans aren't getting younger and their value also will not magically increase. If you hold to them, then expiring contracts become valuable, not the player, but that also doesn't mean it will net you back the result you wanted few years back.

We have our own pick next summer, 2027 very likely we´re sending ours to CHA and won´t have any other FRP, 2028 we very likely have OKCs FRP instead of our own and 2029 we might have HOUs FRP and 2030 we very likely have SAS FRP instead of our own. So very likely picking in the 20-30 range every time unless OKC (definitely not), HOU (possibly once KD is gone) and SAS (probably not) get worse.
But it´s not like we don´t have any FRPs. Which was my whole point to Maximalpains doom statement.

AD has looked pretty motivated the last games, so I doubt that but for the right deal it should be on the table, definitely not for a firesale deal though. Ky seems happy and has been working with Coop all season long so far - there´s tons of footage of the two of them on the bench and in practice and Ky showing him some moves etc. Also I have a feeling he´ll be back soonish.

[daoneandonly]

I'd keep Ky as I think, as crazy as it sounds, he's a good leader for Coop, Nembhard, Lively, and Christie

AD should go, and now, please. Any combo of FRPs, a young promising guy, and/or a starting caliber 2G should be the deal. Hence i dont see a deal with TOR, they only have picks and trash salary.

Trade Klay
Trade Russell

Caleb is trash so i think we're stuck there

[Super Cooper]

If this is true any chance the Mavs could get Andrew Nembhard and a FRP?

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Andrew Nembhard has more value then Gaff and is almost certainly off the table to trade.

I do think there's could be legitimate talks of a Mathurin for Gaff trade though. IND likely cannot afford giving him the contract that he wants. Problematic part is that if we do, we're gonna be pushing way above the 2nd apron next season. I would be a very big fan of that swap though.

If they are willing to sign him next year, it would encouraging.

Ya, unless Gaff can return someone like Mathurin or a 2026 FRP, you keep him. I love the idea of Mathurin, and use AD trade expiring to sign him this summer.

[Super Cooper]

Watch on YouTube

AD talk at 27:20.

Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, and Toronto as landing spots. Fischer doubts Detroit bc they'll have to pay Duran and Thompson.

My thoughts:
-AD - he's not going to be moved for a half eaten ham sandwich. KP's expiring $30m and ATL's 2026 MIL or NOP FRP would be great, but I doubt ATL includes that pick.
-Klay - at $16.6m he would be a great fit for any contender.
-DLo - at $5.6m he would be a great fit for anyone needing a backup scoring combo guard / 6th man.
-Naji - brings a rare dynamic as a point forward, able to play on or off the ball at either PF or SF. $9m is definitely a nice contract given what he brings.
-Caleb - Jeez. Try to dump him with another desirable contract for salary match.
-Hardy - dude is a good shooter and scorer on only $6m contract. He has value at this price, either moving him or keeping him.
-Gaff - many teams need a rim-running big who play both ways. Gaff is a valued resource who should be moved only if it is a rebuild and for the right price.

[Mavrelous]

Damn, I'm.watching DLLS, Nemnhard and Hardy were same high school recruiting class.

[Mr B]

I have a question for you guys about the Pacers and their pursuit of a Center (Gafford to Indy rumor). Indy is rumored to be interested because they are looking for their Center of the future to pair with Haliburton when he returns next year.

I asked earlier if you guys thought that the Mavs could get Andrew Nembhard for Gafford and a few of you pointed out that Gaff’s trade value is not quite that high. My question this time is, if they are looking for a Center for the future (not necessarily for this season) could the Mavs get more value by trading them Lively instead of Gafford? Could Lively bring back Nembhard and a 1st or Nembhard and Mathurin?

[daoneandonly]

I have a question for you guys about the Pacers and their pursuit of a Center (Gafford to Indy rumor). Indy is rumored to be interested because they are looking for their Center of the future to pair with Haliburton when he returns next year.

I asked earlier if you guys thought that the Mavs could get Andrew Nembhard for Gafford and a few of you pointed out that Gaff’s trade value is not quite that high. My question this time is, if they are looking for a Center for the future (not necessarily for this season) could the Mavs get more value by trading them Lively instead of Gafford? Could Lively bring back Nembhard and a 1st or Nembhard and Mathurin?

No Nembhard has more value than both our centers, Indy wouldnt include him in a trade like that, let alone add a pick. He's a solid two way guard on a very reasonable deal. Gaff is a great backup 5 who can start in spurts, and Lively has lost all his shine from his rookie year

[Mavrelous]

I have a question for you guys about the Pacers and their pursuit of a Center (Gafford to Indy rumor). Indy is rumored to be interested because they are looking for their Center of the future to pair with Haliburton when he returns next year.

I asked earlier if you guys thought that the Mavs could get Andrew Nembhard for Gafford and a few of you pointed out that Gaff’s trade value is not quite that high. My question this time is, if they are looking for a Center for the future (not necessarily for this season) could the Mavs get more value by trading them Lively instead of Gafford? Could Lively bring back Nembhard and a 1st or Nembhard and Mathurin?

No Nembhard has more value than both our centers, Indy wouldnt include him in a trade like that, let alone add a pick. He's a solid two way guard on a very reasonable deal. Gaff is a great backup 5 who can start in spurts, and Lively has lost all his shine from his rookie year

Agreed.
I wouldn't trade Lively for that very reason, he has no value right now, but when healthy, he's one of the best defensive anchors in the league, I'd keep him and hope for a miracle turn around.

[Mr B]

I have a question for you guys about the Pacers and their pursuit of a Center (Gafford to Indy rumor). Indy is rumored to be interested because they are looking for their Center of the future to pair with Haliburton when he returns next year.

I asked earlier if you guys thought that the Mavs could get Andrew Nembhard for Gafford and a few of you pointed out that Gaff’s trade value is not quite that high. My question this time is, if they are looking for a Center for the future (not necessarily for this season) could the Mavs get more value by trading them Lively instead of Gafford? Could Lively bring back Nembhard and a 1st or Nembhard and Mathurin?

No Nembhard has more value than both our centers, Indy wouldnt include him in a trade like that, let alone add a pick. He's a solid two way guard on a very reasonable deal. Gaff is a great backup 5 who can start in spurts, and Lively has lost all his shine from his rookie year

Agreed.
I wouldn't trade Lively for that very reason, he has no value right now, but when healthy, he's one of the best defensive anchors in the league, I'd keep him and hope for a miracle turn around.

I’m just brainstorming all of the possibilities. I’d really like to add the Nembhard brother to the backcourt but doesn’t appear that’s possible (unless Indy trades for AD, then there’s a chance). I’m not holding my breath though.

[daoneandonly]

No Nembhard has more value than both our centers, Indy wouldnt include him in a trade like that, let alone add a pick. He's a solid two way guard on a very reasonable deal. Gaff is a great backup 5 who can start in spurts, and Lively has lost all his shine from his rookie year

Agreed.
I wouldn't trade Lively for that very reason, he has no value right now, but when healthy, he's one of the best defensive anchors in the league, I'd keep him and hope for a miracle turn around.

I’m just brainstorming all of the possibilities. I’d really like to add the Nembhard brother to the backcourt but doesn’t appear that’s possible (unless Indy trades for AD, then there’s a chance). I’m not holding my breath though.

I explored the AD possibility where AD went to DET, and they sent Indy Stewart/Ivey, and we acquired Tobias and Nembhard. But it was universally disliked by most on the T&T board, saying Andrew has more value. But yea, I would love to have both Nembhards.

[Mavrelous]

No Nembhard has more value than both our centers, Indy wouldnt include him in a trade like that, let alone add a pick. He's a solid two way guard on a very reasonable deal. Gaff is a great backup 5 who can start in spurts, and Lively has lost all his shine from his rookie year

Agreed.
I wouldn't trade Lively for that very reason, he has no value right now, but when healthy, he's one of the best defensive anchors in the league, I'd keep him and hope for a miracle turn around.

I’m just brainstorming all of the possibilities. I’d really like to add the Nembhard brother to the backcourt but doesn’t appear that’s possible (unless Indy trades for AD, then there’s a chance). I’m not holding my breath though.

He's an excellent player, I love the target but the asking price will be way too high.

[ddavmor]

I can't see a price Dallas would be willing to pay for A Nembhard, he has very high value in Indiana. After all of these exercises, I like a lot of what dirkrules put out there. I do like the way coop and AD play together and can't wait to see how well Ky mixes in that. IMO, Dallas is just too good to tank and have a much better chance of succeeding than failing. So, get under the cap with a couple of smaller trades and take a look this off season. Go Mavs!!!

[Mr B]

I can't see a price Dallas would be willing to pay for A Nembhard, he has very high value in Indiana. After all of these exercises, I like a lot of what dirkrules put out there. I do like the way coop and AD play together and can't wait to see how well Ky mixes in that. IMO, Dallas is just too good to tank and have a much better chance of succeeding than failing. So, get under the cap with a couple of smaller trades and take a look this off season. Go Mavs!!!

I will say that is odd that the Mavs would make such a huge trade (trading AD) before hiring a permanent GM. That makes me nervous that Kidd will be the one promoted to GM (if they trade AD at the deadline). Really the only way an AD trade makes sense is if the new GM is already part of the staff.

[Teffer10]

I just dont understand why any Mavs fan would want to keep AD in any scenario given his injury history, age, and ridiculous contract. Those same reasons make me wonder why any GM would be dumb enough to give up any valuable assets for him.

Call it doom and gloom, but isnt that where we are now realistically?

This guy cant string together 10 games in a row without getting some kind of injury so why in the hell would anyone want to continue going through the torture of perpetual disappointment?

And how screwed will we be WHEN he sustains a season ending injury? It isnt a matter IF guys.

Holding out for the best deal or a new GM is far too risky imo. If there is a GM willing to take on that mess of a situation right now, we better jump on it before their temporary insanity subsides.

[Teffer10]

And I want to go on the record saying that if AD is still on the roster after the TDL, the Mavs will regret not moving him.

[Butter]

Blazers AD trade

AD
filler

Jerami Grant
Robert Williams (expiring)
Matice Thybuille (expiring)
Rayan Rupert
Orlando #1

[Super Cooper]

IMO, AD won't be dealt until Giannis is traded. It also increases the demand for Gaff. I can see Giannis, AD, Gaff, Vuc, Sabonis, RWIII, Turner, KP, and Capela all wearing different jerseys after the TDL. There will be lots of movement.

[Super Cooper]

Blazers AD trade

AD
filler

Jerami Grant
Robert Williams (expiring)
Matice Thybuille (expiring)
Rayan Rupert
Orlando #1

Y'all are stuck with Grant and that contract, lol.

[Maverick41]

Blazers AD trade

AD
filler

Jerami Grant
Robert Williams (expiring)
Matice Thybuille (expiring)
Rayan Rupert
Orlando #1

POR needs to add at least another FRP because of Grant's contract. Can keep Rupert too.