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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#141 » by Imon » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:35 am

If Porzingis can play towards the end of the season I want him to play. He can get back into the groove of playing NBA-level basketball and gain some experience playing with Luka.
No point in tanking - I'd rather the Mavs just convey their first to the Hawks this season. Instead of saying we have a 10% chance of a top-5 pick it's better to look at it as the Mavs having a 90% chance of NOT getting a top-5 pick. There's no reason to suck then end up giving the Hawks the 6th pick.
The Mavs owe 3 first round picks for the next 5 years - just convey them when the time comes. At some point the protections come off and the Mavs could end up sending a totally unprotected pick later. I'm sure Donnie is banking on the Mavs being good in the next 3-4 years which is why he gave the Knicks 2 first-rounders.

I think this trade comes with more risk than some Mavs fans are letting on - I'm seeing most Mavs fans being elated by this move.
I'm being cautiously optimistic about this. The Mavs are counting on significant internal development from Luka and Porzingis in order to become a playoff team. Luka is the best rookie the Mavs have ever had and looks to be a pretty solid bet as a perennial all-star.
It's Porzingis I'm worried about - tall guys with knee/foot problems almost never turn out well. He played 72 games his rookie season, 66 his sophomore, and 48 in his third before tearing his ACL. The number of games he has played has trended downwards - not a good sign. I really, really hope that he is more Embiid and less Oden when it comes to injuries early in his career otherwise the Mavs are screwed like when the Nets traded every asset they had for the corpse of Paul Pierce and KG.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#142 » by The Sparest » Fri Feb 1, 2019 5:49 am

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#143 » by gh123 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 6:41 am

Phish Tank wrote:
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Phish Tank wrote:Knick fan coming in peace with some thoughts (even tho KP is done to my eyes):

1) You'll have fun with your dynamic duo.
2) KP got stamina issues b/c he's had anemia. Doesn't eat enough spinach. Docs need to be on his ass all the time.
3) KP also relies on a sham doc (the Bieber doc) and Janis for strength training and other stuff. They kinda messed him up his first few offseasons by not focusing on body mechanics and enough bulk.
4) Janis is a pain. Gotta keep him away
5) Carlisle may actually get something out of Timmy even though he's not played much defense with NY.
6) Lee's a pro's pro. You'll love him on your team.
7) Burke is a good backup. Just needs some structure.


Could you elaborate on 2,3 and 4?


Sure:

2) Kristaps dealt with anemia growing up and he had issues with it over the course of his first few seasons. Basically the lack of iron led to stamina issues. Those stamina issues flared up around January/February each year. You can notice there's a dropoff. Yes, it's not as profound as the rookie wall, but there's a dropoff in production. He needs to properly monitor the anemia because it doesn't necessarily go away unless you have a blood transfusion.

3) KP works with the following doc: Carlon Colker. He was known to work with Shaq & Justin Bieber, but he has controversial practices and even faced some lawsuits for some of the sham products he's sold.

4) Janis Porzingis is behind a lot of the disconnect between KP and the franchise. Janis is KP's brother and manager now. A lot of the articles leaked to the press is because of Janis. He's basically the Latvian Lavar Ball.


I've heard about his brother, not happy about that. Never heard about his other health issues. I mean he's already damaged goods, but on top of that it looks like he won't even be able to contribute come playoff time due to his anemia and who knows what other obscure health issues... Looks like you guys won the trade in a landslide... Good for you though, you guys are way overdue.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#144 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 1, 2019 7:27 am

Screw anemia. One month with the best steak houses in Dallas should bring up the iron in his system.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#145 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 7:34 am

We have two guy who could reasonably win the MVP for the first time since Dirk/Nash
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#146 » by agentofatlas » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:10 am

Imon wrote:If Porzingis can play towards the end of the season I want him to play. He can get back into the groove of playing NBA-level basketball and gain some experience playing with Luka.
No point in tanking - I'd rather the Mavs just convey their first to the Hawks this season. Instead of saying we have a 10% chance of a top-5 pick it's better to look at it as the Mavs having a 90% chance of NOT getting a top-5 pick. There's no reason to suck then end up giving the Hawks the 6th pick.
The Mavs owe 3 first round picks for the next 5 years - just convey them when the time comes. At some point the protections come off and the Mavs could end up sending a totally unprotected pick later. I'm sure Donnie is banking on the Mavs being good in the next 3-4 years which is why he gave the Knicks 2 first-rounders.

I think this trade comes with more risk than some Mavs fans are letting on - I'm seeing most Mavs fans being elated by this move.
I'm being cautiously optimistic about this. The Mavs are counting on significant internal development from Luka and Porzingis in order to become a playoff team. Luka is the best rookie the Mavs have ever had and looks to be a pretty solid bet as a perennial all-star.
It's Porzingis I'm worried about - tall guys with knee/foot problems almost never turn out well. He played 72 games his rookie season, 66 his sophomore, and 48 in his third before tearing his ACL. The number of games he has played has trended downwards - not a good sign. I really, really hope that he is more Embiid and less Oden when it comes to injuries early in his career otherwise the Mavs are screwed like when the Nets traded every asset they had for the corpse of Paul Pierce and KG.


I agree with everything you said. This is a big risk with KP's health. The only reason I'm optimistic with this is I think KP's workload and minutes will be monitored by RC very carefully.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#147 » by PaulGaston » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:21 am

Video of Porzingis arriving in Dallas:

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#148 » by JPF » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:32 am

In the summer, thinking about which team would be optimal for Luka, Bulls and Knicks immediately came to mind with Markannen and Porzingis. I can't believe Mavs actualy got Porzingis now.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#149 » by JohnWillow » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:36 am

According to Daily News, he is ''essentially cleared to play''.

He was supposed to be revaluated mid February, have a feeling Knicks just didn't want him to play this season at all?
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#150 » by Captain_Obvious » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:45 am

Pointguard01 wrote:It's funny that there were NO reports of Porzingis taking the Qualifying Offer with a franchise that he obviously hated, and as soon as he's traded, this report comes out. It sounds like complete BS and something that is coming from the Knicks camp to push the blow back their getting from a PR perspective.

I'd put the chances he would have resigned with the Knicks @ 80%. It's higher with the Mavericks.

Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!

I missed this. So they made the pick unprotected to make sure the picks we owe to the Knicks will come 2021 and 23 (top 10 protected)?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#151 » by Captain_Obvious » Fri Feb 1, 2019 9:57 am

Phish Tank wrote:Knick fan coming in peace with some thoughts (even tho KP is done to my eyes):

1) You'll have fun with your dynamic duo.
2) KP got stamina issues b/c he's had anemia. Doesn't eat enough spinach. Docs need to be on his ass all the time.
3) KP also relies on a sham doc (the Bieber doc) and Janis for strength training and other stuff. They kinda messed him up his first few offseasons by not focusing on body mechanics and enough bulk.
4) Janis is a pain. Gotta keep him away
5) Carlisle may actually get something out of Timmy even though he's not played much defense with NY.
6) Lee's a pro's pro. You'll love him on your team.
7) Burke is a good backup. Just needs some structure.

Common misconception, spinach containing a lot of iron was a measurement error.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#152 » by ARTjoMS » Fri Feb 1, 2019 10:30 am

Pointguard01 wrote:Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!

I don't understand the logic. Could you elaborate why you think this is a good idea?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#153 » by Archx » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:17 am

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youngthegiant wrote:I actually don't like this move for you guys. Limited draft picks, no immediate cap space.


Immediate capspace to sign who? KD and Kawhi wont be coming to Dallas any time soon. Luka and Kristaps are 19 and 23 years old. They have time.


Yeah after some time to think about it it's kinda weird given the fact that DSJ started playing more mature and actually better since he returned from his sulking phase. But on the other hand i think Cuban is 110% committed to Luka and has basically given him the keys on a silver platter with this trade. Hopefully KP can be fully healthy again and he resigns long term because this duo would be insanely fun to watch.

In a very worst case scenario, Mavs are left with basically role players, no real draft picks, low cap space and Luka. So if KP walks or can not stay healthy, they went backwards a couple of years with this trade.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#154 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:21 am

This is a terrible move and another rush team building effort by the Mavs for no **** reason, Luka is 20, again flashbacks going through my mind of how the team operated in the 2000s, Cuban hasn't learnt a **** thing, he will put the money and the effort and the team will be okay-good, but to build a consistent winner (and he has like the best and most advantageous piece already in Luka, best perimeter prospect in the league by a mile), you need patience

This trade is reminiscent of Jrue's move to the Pels back in 2013, super risky and for no good reason, we not only overpaid, we also punted it this off-season and let by a chance of using capspace to acquire assets via trade (could've used DAJ/Wes+Dennis to acquire future picks and eat up bad deals that end in 2020)

This organization is just rotten and doesn't know how to operate, disgraceful

Also, please, I hate Harry B, but I'd hate Vucevic more, do not go after him, we would have no path to future capspace if we open enough now to get him this summer and the defense would be awful with him and KP

Kleber is ideal to play next to KP, take some of the burden of playing Center from him, be versatile enough to defend perimeter oriented bigs, hard worker

Adding Vucevic would do nothing for us

KP and Luka is a fun fit, I'd give Cuban that, I had also said for ages that I'd not want to be the guy that invest a full-fledged max, what is going to take on KP with a bum knee and been 7-3 with that body of his, enormous unnecessary risk, when the guy is good, but he isn't near Towns/Embiid/Jokic level good

No surprise though, Bob Voulgaris who joined the Mavs last summer is a massive KP believer
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#155 » by Sakkreth » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:23 am

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#156 » by gh123 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:41 am

Fischella wrote:This is a terrible move and another rush team building effort by the Mavs for no **** reason, Luka is 20, again flashbacks going through my mind of how the team operated in the 2000s, Cuban hasn't learnt a **** thing, he will put the money and the effort and the team will be okay-good, but to build a consistent winner (and he has like the best and most advantageous piece already in Luka, best perimeter prospect in the league by a mile), you need patience

This trade is reminiscent of Jrue's move to the Pels back in 2013, super risky and for no good reason, we not only overpaid, we also punted it this off-season and let by a chance of using capspace to acquire assets via trade (could've used DAJ/Wes+Dennis to acquire future picks and eat up bad deals that end in 2020)

This organization is just rotten and doesn't know how to operate, disgraceful

Also, please, I hate Harry B, but I'd hate Vucevic more, do not go after him, we would have no path to future capspace if we open enough now to get him this summer and the defense would be awful with him and KP

Kleber is ideal to play next to KP, take some of the burden of playing Center from him, be versatile enough to defend perimeter oriented bigs, hard worker

Adding Vucevic would do nothing for us

KP and Luka is a fun fit, I'd give Cuban that, I had also said for ages that I'd not want to be the guy that invest a full-fledged max, what is going to take on KP with a bum knee and been 7-3 with that body of his, enormous unnecessary risk, when the guy is good, but he isn't near Towns/Embiid/Jokic level good

No surprise though, Bob Voulgaris who joined the Mavs last summer is a massive KP believer


Agree with 90% of what you said.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#157 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:46 am

Also KP is signing the max 100% I at least hope they negotiate some and add clauses there like the 76ers did with Embiid, can't be fully guaranteed 5 years, that'd be a disaster
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#158 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 11:49 am

This might end up been a good trade for Dallas, not negating that but we are gonna need a ton of luck and it was an unnecessary risk, as of now Dallas (without major wishful-thinking) lost this trade quite clearly, it's not even remotely close
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#159 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:14 pm

Add Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2021 and we will be set for a decade.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#160 » by gh123 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:24 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Add Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2021 and we will be set for a decade.


The problem with adding another star is that it's almost guaranteed that KP and Co won't want to be the 3rd option. And he's not reliable and frankly not good enough to be the 2nd option on a contender.

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