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Post#141 » by ejs78 » Fri May 28, 2021 2:43 am

Yes the goal would be to get Dragic on a really cheap deal to play with Luka.

All depends on what the Heat do with that team option.

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ejs78 wrote:With Miami getting smashed I wonder what they and Dragic do with that team option




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In a weak FA class I’m wondering how much Dragic will get offered. Also would he be willing to come to Dallas for less. The key I think will be to resign THJ. Then make a run at a free agent whether it be Duncan Robinson, John Collins, or whoever. Then after that is done if Dragic is still available I would like to sign him. I’m not too sure on how the salary cap works and the MLE or the other smaller exceptions work.


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Post#142 » by DJ_3_Ball » Fri May 28, 2021 2:49 am

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ejs78 wrote:With Miami getting smashed I wonder what they and Dragic do with that team option




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In a weak FA class I’m wondering how much Dragic will get offered. Also would he be willing to come to Dallas for less. The key I think will be to resign THJ. Then make a run at a free agent whether it be Duncan Robinson, John Collins, or whoever. Then after that is done if Dragic is still available I would like to sign him. I’m not too sure on how the salary cap works and the MLE or the other smaller exceptions work.


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The thing about Dragic is he does pretty much everything Jalen Brunson does. It'd be a little bit too redundant for my liking. Not to mention, we're gonna need that money to resign Jalen soon.
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Post#143 » by Mr B » Fri May 28, 2021 4:47 am

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ejs78 wrote:With Miami getting smashed I wonder what they and Dragic do with that team option




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In a weak FA class I’m wondering how much Dragic will get offered. Also would he be willing to come to Dallas for less. The key I think will be to resign THJ. Then make a run at a free agent whether it be Duncan Robinson, John Collins, or whoever. Then after that is done if Dragic is still available I would like to sign him. I’m not too sure on how the salary cap works and the MLE or the other smaller exceptions work.


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The thing about Dragic is he does pretty much everything Jalen Brunson does. It'd be a little bit too redundant for my liking. Not to mention, we're gonna need that money to resign Jalen soon.

They definitely have to get Jalen resigned. We’re going to see if Cuban is still all in because this team is about to get really expensive.


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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#144 » by DJ_3_Ball » Fri May 28, 2021 5:35 am

Any interest in signing Enes Kanter? He just turned 29, only made 5 mil this season, UFA, and POR will have to workout an extension for Nurkic, resign Norman Powell, (probably let Derrick Jones walk, but Lillard's salary jumps up 8 mil next season), and decide whether or not to resign Carmelo, plus match an offers for Zach Collins, if they are so inclined.

Kanter is probably expendable, especially if they're going to make a push for a big name to try to keep Dame happy. I personally wouldn't mind Kanter's woeful defense to have a guy you can plug in off the bench for those times the Mavs are getting their rear ends kicked on the boards (which happens too often). I doubt Kanter costs us a whole lot.
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Post#145 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri May 28, 2021 7:45 am

THJ wants Dallas (or maybe Luka hahahah) and Dallas wants THJ, hope for a good contract...don't overpay him thanks.

Kanter is a low buy solution, i think he could take Boban place with the same contract.

But attention guys, if we resign all of our players adding a good one (like Duncan Robinson or someone like him) we will stuck in the cap without a contender squad.
We need a very huge upgrade, someone will be sacrifice.... Brunson, KP, JRich or rookies...
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Post#146 » by DJ_3_Ball » Fri May 28, 2021 2:33 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:THJ wants Dallas (or maybe Luka hahahah) and Dallas wants THJ, hope for a good contract...don't overpay him thanks.

Kanter is a low buy solution, i think he could take Boban place with the same contract.

But attention guys, if we resign all of our players adding a good one (like Duncan Robinson or someone like him) we will stuck in the cap without a contender squad.
We need a very huge upgrade, someone will be sacrifice.... Brunson, KP, JRich or rookies...


I think J Rich is gone. Firmly believe that. Unless the Mavs are excited about him, which doesn't appear to be the case. Another Rick Carlisle doesn't seem too keen on a guy, like Delon Wright, and then they go somewhere else & are noteworthy. If J Rich is offered 4 for 68 by another team, do we want the Mavs to match? I would say no thanks.

KP is the odd man out in my books. If he doesn't want to play with Luka, let him make that mistake. Some other disgruntled star will want to force his way out & join Luka over the next 2-3 seasons. Let's make way for that player. Hopefully a guy with a better track record of being available for games & less drama.
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Post#147 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 28, 2021 2:35 pm

Mavs are not in a position to offer Dragic anything above the vet min, he has maybe 1 year left to give you 20MPG off the bench.
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Post#148 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 28, 2021 2:37 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:THJ wants Dallas (or maybe Luka hahahah) and Dallas wants THJ, hope for a good contract...don't overpay him thanks.

Kanter is a low buy solution, i think he could take Boban place with the same contract.

But attention guys, if we resign all of our players adding a good one (like Duncan Robinson or someone like him) we will stuck in the cap without a contender squad.
We need a very huge upgrade, someone will be sacrifice.... Brunson, KP, JRich or rookies...


I think J Rich is gone. Firmly believe that. Unless the Mavs are excited about him, which doesn't appear to be the case. Another Rick Carlisle doesn't seem too keen on a guy, like Delon Wright, and then they go somewhere else & are noteworthy. If J Rich is offered 4 for 68 by another team, do we want the Mavs to match? I would say no thanks.

KP is the odd man out in my books. If he doesn't want to play with Luka, let him make that mistake. Some other disgruntled star will want to force his way out & join Luka over the next 2-3 seasons. Let's make way for that player. Hopefully a guy with a better track record of being available for games & less drama.


If JRich opts out, he's getting the full MLE (which is 40-45/4), nothing more than that, no team with cap space will take him over, THJ, Robinson, Ball, Powell or GTJ.
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Post#149 » by DJ_3_Ball » Fri May 28, 2021 2:38 pm

KhalilS wrote:If JRich opts out, he's getting the full MLE (which is 40-45/4), nothing more than that, no team with cap space will take him over, THJ, Robinson, Ball, Powell or GTJ.


Have you looked at the list of available FAs this summer? The cupboard is pretty bare.
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Post#150 » by ejs78 » Fri May 28, 2021 2:42 pm

And there's nothing wrong with this.

He's still very productive in the time he gets and it would make Luka happy.
KhalilS wrote:Mavs are not in a position to offer Dragic anything above the vet min, he has maybe 1 year left to give you 20MPG off the bench.


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Post#151 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 28, 2021 2:54 pm

I'd be celebrating if Mavs were able to pull off vet min. for Dragic, but I think a contender will give him BAE or tax payer MLE for 2 years, it'll come down to whether Goran want to come play with Luka or not.
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Post#152 » by Mr B » Fri May 28, 2021 3:15 pm

KhalilS wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:THJ wants Dallas (or maybe Luka hahahah) and Dallas wants THJ, hope for a good contract...don't overpay him thanks.

Kanter is a low buy solution, i think he could take Boban place with the same contract.

But attention guys, if we resign all of our players adding a good one (like Duncan Robinson or someone like him) we will stuck in the cap without a contender squad.
We need a very huge upgrade, someone will be sacrifice.... Brunson, KP, JRich or rookies...


I think J Rich is gone. Firmly believe that. Unless the Mavs are excited about him, which doesn't appear to be the case. Another Rick Carlisle doesn't seem too keen on a guy, like Delon Wright, and then they go somewhere else & are noteworthy. If J Rich is offered 4 for 68 by another team, do we want the Mavs to match? I would say no thanks.

KP is the odd man out in my books. If he doesn't want to play with Luka, let him make that mistake. Some other disgruntled star will want to force his way out & join Luka over the next 2-3 seasons. Let's make way for that player. Hopefully a guy with a better track record of being available for games & less drama.


If JRich opts out, he's getting the full MLE (which is 40-45/4), nothing more than that, no team with cap space will take him over, THJ, Robinson, Ball, Powell or GTJ.

That’s why I think JRich will opt in. Spend 1 more year in Dallas (at $11.6M), rebuild his reputation and then hit the open market. For what it’s worth h I think he will be better in his second year in Dallas, playing with Luka. A full training camp with this team will do him a world of good.


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Post#153 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 28, 2021 3:18 pm

It can go both ways, he started most of the season and was downgraded lately, if his agent sees opportunity for full MLE he'll go for it, he can't risk spending the season as 7th/8th player 1st/2nd round exit team and then hitting the market.
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Post#154 » by ejs78 » Fri May 28, 2021 3:34 pm

Everyone needs to remember Jrich and Luka have the same agents.

Agents and star players are very good at getting teams to do things for the others that the agent represents.

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Post#155 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri May 28, 2021 4:56 pm

I hope Donnie watched EL this year because Will Clyburn is a beast. Deserves a spot in NBA for sure.
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Post#156 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 30, 2021 3:47 pm

John Hollinger is reporting sources are telling him Kendrick Nunn could receive offers in the $15 mil per year range, and Duncan Robinson could receive higher offers.

I figure Robinson will be in the $18 to $20 mil range, and I think he's worth it. THJ has been in that range his whole time with the Mavs, and when THJ's shots are falling no one is complaining. When he goes cold, fans want to get him out of here. Robinson is a far more consistent, lethal shooter. He'd be worth it to me.
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Post#157 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 30, 2021 3:48 pm

ejs78 wrote:Everyone needs to remember Jrich and Luka have the same agents.

Agents and star players are very good at getting teams to do things for the others that the agent represents.

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Didn't know that, but you're right. It is noteworthy.
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Post#158 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 30, 2021 3:55 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:John Hollinger is reporting sources are telling him Kendrick Nunn could receive offers in the $15 mil per year range, and Duncan Robinson could receive higher offers.

I figure Robinson will be in the $18 to $20 mil range, and I think he's worth it. THJ has been in that range his whole time with the Mavs, and when THJ's shots are falling no one is complaining. When he goes cold, fans want to get him out of here. Robinson is a far more consistent, lethal shooter. He'd be worth it to me.


At that price i don't want neither of 2... you can't pay role player ( who doesn't defend) like star.

Duncan Robinson plays well only game1 against Bucks, probably that source are from their agents :lol:
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Post#159 » by Teffer10 » Sun May 30, 2021 4:00 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:John Hollinger is reporting sources are telling him Kendrick Nunn could receive offers in the $15 mil per year range, and Duncan Robinson could receive higher offers.

I figure Robinson will be in the $18 to $20 mil range, and I think he's worth it. THJ has been in that range his whole time with the Mavs, and when THJ's shots are falling no one is complaining. When he goes cold, fans want to get him out of here. Robinson is a far more consistent, lethal shooter. He'd be worth it to me.

Exactly why some fans want him out of here but I'm not one of them.
He's about as binary as it gets for an NBA player because he is either a tremendous asset (High) or a tremendous liability (Low).
There isn't much in between and the Mavs' fans get frustrated because his successes and failures greatly impact this team.

When THJ is clicking we are a legit contender imo but when he isn't we are barely PO material.
That inconsistency is why Mavs' fans are binary on him as well.

I personally love having Timmy on the team and for the right price hope that we can resign him.
However I wouldn't be opposed to signing someone better but would hate for him to sign elsewhere while we're chasing someone that might not be achievable.
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Post#160 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 30, 2021 4:25 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:At that price i don't want neither of 2... you can't pay role player ( who doesn't defend) like star...



What's missing is the consistency. The same fans who are saying this, are also saying "We gotta resign THJ".

THJ is no defensive stalwart. He's better than Duncan Robinson, but the difference is minimal.

So, are you also against resigning THJ for $18 to $20 mil a year?

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