Kyrie Irving, Markieff Morris to Mavs for DFS, Spence, 2029 1st and 2027 and 2029 2nds

[Ni Da Ye]

To all the mavs fan who love this trade, you know the phrase "I told you so" is eventually gonna come to you all.

Just be patient, this Kyrie guy NEVER disappoints.

[leolozon]

I just read that it’s an unprotected pick? …

That’s a big overpay for an injury prone head case who has a decent chance to no even stay on the team. It’s not even clear if he has been impacting winning in the last few years.

[ACMFFL]

We can't afford to end up trading the 2029 unprotected pick (plus 2 starters) for just cap space..we just have to hope this experiment works and re-sign Irving no matter what at this point, otherwise we're f****d.

It's a terrific talent upgrade but I don't know how Irving is reliable to spend on the 3 most valuable asset we had.

[Mavrelous]

Wood
Maxi
Luka
Green
Kyrie

Is a killer lineup, and one of the best in the league, an offensive juggernaut and passable defensively, they have a very good POA defender in Green (Bullock backs him up) and good big defender in Maxi, everyone can shoot, that's what you'll roll with in the PO, THJ and Bullock make up the rest of the rotation for guard/wing and Powell covers for the missing C/PF minutes.
No one will think of doubling Luka.

Bertans (out till after ASB), Frank and Hardy are RS depth and injury insurance.

They are missing big wing defender (what DFS used to do).
This has a chance to be great, pray for healthy Maxi, Wood and Kyrie.

[SkyBill40]

There is no way you thought Steve Nash was MVP caliber before he left the Mavs. Steve Nash was a great player but no one thought of him as MVP and he was my second fav player on the Mavs. I was pissed he left. I won’t even get into Finley inconsistencies.

I understand you are trying to make a point. But they were NOT on the talent level of Kyrie Irving. Let’s not do this. We never had a player like Kyrie on the Mavs come in as a second fiddle.


Bro this is the Mavs board, I’m pretty sure we all know the truth lol

The talent between Irving and Nash is different. Irving is an undersized SG and a fantastic scorer and individual ballhandler; Nash is a supremely better shooter and all around decision maker as a true PG. Talent is talent and you have it or you don't. If you wish to slice it differently, well, I guess that's your pie to cut but it still tastes the same.

And I'm aware this is the Mavs board. Good luck with Irving as you'll likely need it. And I sure hope he doesn't bolt on you for the Lakers as he very well could. Then again, if he did, you might get addition by subtraction.



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I agree it is different but NO ONE that watches basketball said Nash was a top 15 player before he left the Mavs is my main point in this. That’s why I’m excited to see Kyrie. We have two player that are Atleast top 15 in the league and and definitely Top 10in ability to scorer. If it doesn’t work we are gaining max cap space early so it’s a win win regardless.

I actually do expect him to leave for the lakers. But I’ll for sure enjoy watching Luka play with some talent for once.

As with the other dude, fair enough point from your end.

[Mavrelous]

We can't afford to end up trading the 2029 unprotected pick (plus 2 starters) for just cap space..we just have to hope this experiment works and re-sign Irving no matter what at this point, otherwise we're f****d.

It's a terrific talent upgrade but I don't know how Irving is reliable to spend on the 3 most valuable asset we had.

Mavs had a 2 1st rd exits, and one deep PO run, Lukas time in now, everyone understood this, this season was a **** show from the get go, they needed to swing for the fences, yeah, losing a 1st sucks, losing a fan favourite sucks, but this is the best player Luka got a chance to play with.
If there is anything we learned, Luka's best running make is a guard, not a big, Kyrie is perfect fit, yeah, he's a nutjob who thinks the earth is flat and woke AF, we're not drinking beer with him, we're watching him play 3 times a week.

[ozwizard8]

Cuban is **** worst of the worst

[Ni Da Ye]

I just read that it’s an unprotected pick? …

That’s a big overpay for an injury prone head case who has a decent chance to no even stay on the team. It’s not even clear if he has been impacting winning in the last few years.

It's very fcking clear this nutcase won't have impact towards winning. He only impacts drama creation.

[SOUNDCHASER]

1st rounder is nothing wonder what year it was next available and are there any protections. Dorian and Din we thank you for your service but come on this is Kyrie and all NBA level talent so do not hate us next time we see you guys cause we will miss you.

So right now we can roll out
Luka McKinley
Kyrie Hardy Frank
Powell Bertans 6'9 dude we gave 10 day to.McGee
THJ Bullock AJ
Green Theo

Add in the injured as possible and that improves us to the next level a lot

Max and Christian are 2 starters that we can add to create a tough team to take on with

Luka Hardy McKinley
Kyrie THJ Frank
Wood Bertans Silva
Max Powell McGee
Green Bullock Pinson Lawson

For Dorian and Spencer this is a no brainer to add in Kyrie and we will probably be winning and not getting a good pick from now on.

With other pieces we can snag a center there are many who we can trade for now with Nurkic, Poeltl all said to be available.

[Darren]

Morris? How?

[Maverick41]

The one that's bothersome to me is why did we give away 2 SRPs? Surely DFS + Dinwiddie + 1 FRP was more then adequate for a malcontent Kyrie who had very limited suitors. Perhaps being nitpicky but those 2 SRPs could have helped with another deal and just seems like an unnecessary toss in just like how Nico did with the KP Wizards trade. May seem like nothing on the surface but those SRPs tend to be semi-useful during the TDL when players are given away.

[ForeverTFC]

Crazy deal. I'm shocked that your FO let go of DFS in this deal. I thought DFS was a really nice asset (good player, great contract) that could be a piece in bringing in a 2nd option beside Luka. Did not think they would bet that on Kyrie though (and give up an unprotected first to boot). Does this deal make it more likely that you re-sign Wood? Can he still be extended or has the deadline passed?

Good luck to you all (I mean it, I like Luka a lot). One thing for sure, Nico Harrison has a lot of guts to do this move.

[Maverick41]

Does this deal make it more likely that you re-sign Wood? Can he still be extended or has the deadline passed?

He can still be extended. Imo this makes us more likely to trade Wood then extend him though. I'm not confident that Cuban would want to fork him over such a large sum of extensions for both Kyrie and Wood. Particularly since while Wood has been a good citizen here, he does not exactly have a good reputation in the past. I rather we keep Wood but I can totally see a move where they move on from him for more defensive minded players. OG from your team comes to mind

[Grahf]

Well... I think he's going to be amazing for you guys this year at least, for now you'll get the hyper-motivated Kyrie, and that is a spectacular basketball talent. I'm not really concerned about the fit, he's been playing and producing alongside high usage superstars for most of his career. When he's engaged, he's made it work.

He'll turn in a year or two, though. It happened in Cleveland, Boston and Brooklyn, it's just who he is. Don't think about a big extension, don't get too attached. Try to get a deep playoff run or two out of him, then drop him and move on to someone more reliable.

[daoneandonly]

Stupid short sighted trade. Kyrie is toxic and allergic to D. And still don't trade away THJ. Cuban and Nico are trash

[Revived]

I was looking at the Centers that might be available. This is what I came up with:

Mason Plumlee
Mo Bamba
Clint Capela
Jakob Poeltl

I’m unsure about Capela’s availability but he would be ideal (playing next to Wood). I agree nothing fancy but very serviceable.

I think DeAndre Ayton is also available, Phoenix hasn’t skipped a beat in the games he missed and had Biyombo playing solid in his mins.

I just don’t see the Suns trading him to the Mavs.

Blazers have made Nurkic available for trade.

[Maverick41]

Blazers have made Nurkic available for trade.

What's the trade price tag for Nurkic? Would think Mavs would be heavily interested in Grant as well if he was somehow available.

[ozwizard8]

Blazers have made Nurkic available for trade.

What's the trade price tag for Nurkic? Would think Mavs would be heavily interested in Grant as well if he was somehow available.

Mavs spent all the last available assets into expiring toxic Kyrie contract.

No more serviceable contract, or asset left. Green’s upside would barely be enough to trade away Bertans or THJ. Grant does not seem possible.

Nurkic looks like a negative asset so he fits the bill. Cant defend.

All time worst defense:
Kyrie Luka THJ Bertans Nurkic
and even worse defender Wood for the 6th men!

[sashaturiaf]

I think it's a good trade for you guys. In hindsight I think retaining Brunson would have been the ideal play but Kyrie still is a level above Brunson as a player and is more playoff tested.


The thing about Kyrie is he will show up when it's playoff time. I like his fit on the Mavs better than on the nets in that Luka is young and sturdy enough to be a workhorse in the regular season and let Kyrie comfortably hover around the 50-60 games played mark. At the Nets he didn't have that luxury since KD is physically frail himself.

The other thing is in Cuban and Doncic you have a team culture which I think is strong enough to withstand some Kyrie antics, they'll be seen as sideshows whereas on the Nets, everything Kyrie does gets amplified since we have no stability as an organisation. There is a reason we've had to deal with 3 trade requests in one year.

[SOUNDCHASER]

I see Morris is also included and that may be okay for a PF to back up Wood so Powell and Max can concentrate on center duty. I hope we keep Wood and look to add another center before the TDL. Id trade a 1st to SAN for Poeltl or see what Nurkic is going to take. Either of them is decent enough to add and give Wood some front court help. We do that and this team should be a contender for sure.

So far Luka almost leads the league in scoring at #2 and probably gets back to #1 soon. Irving is #11 and Wood is #51 THJ is #84 so when it comes to scoring we have 4 guys in the top 100 who altogether average scoring 92.7 points per game between all 4.