Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Pinkyring]

If we can get a couple first for bogut and d will, land a top 3 pick this summer, I'd trade our 2018 for dwight if Atlanta wants to move him

[Torgeir Bryn]

If we can get a couple first for bogut and d will, land a top 3 pick this summer, I'd trade our 2018 for dwight if Atlanta wants to move him

Why would you trade for Dwight, while at the same time trying to get young with more draft picks? Dwight will be close to retiring by the time those are plus players.

I think a couple of first round picks sound way to optimistic, but we should definitely try to get some assets for them (young players or picks).

[Pinkyring]

If we can get a couple first for bogut and d will, land a top 3 pick this summer, I'd trade our 2018 for dwight if Atlanta wants to move him

Why would you trade for Dwight, while at the same time trying to get young with more draft picks? Dwight will be close to retiring by the time those are plus players.

I think a couple of first round picks sound way to optimistic, but we should definitely try to get some assets for them (young players or picks).

Because we have a 40 million 2/3 combo, you dont have to be in lotto every year, dont want to be philly and frankly dwight is still a damn good player

[Zen_Paradox]

Good points. But would you consider Ibaka a good rebounder? Even if you don't make Barnes a full time PF (and I also think that's not a great idea), you have to consider the fact that he'll be playing that a significant amount of time.

No, I wouldn't at all really, but Ibaka would far and away be the best defender on the team, even if his defensive stats have declined.

I just don't see many plausible options at C, unfortunately.

One thing to take into account, the Mavs only have a max slot if they don't bring Dirk back at $25M.

The free agents available, when we really look, are not that good. You have the elite who are not coming. You have the good rfas who are very very unlikely to come (teams will match). So should we just pay "someone" because he is the best of the rest?

Ibaka with his red flags... I think I would just pass and wouldn't mind another 'losing season'. I would prefer that than to overpay someone like Ibaka who can make 30 million a year in salary.

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline so we can have a clearer picture about the future and direction.

I'm looking, at it appears we will have up to about $37m in cap space, but maybe the info is wrong.

I wouldn't mind another losing season either, as long as a smart pick is made. That's also why I think taking a flyer on Noel is the best option in FA.

I agree about seeing how the rest of the season plays out though. It will be interesting to see what direction is taken.

[Dirk]

No, I wouldn't at all really, but Ibaka would far and away be the best defender on the team, even if his defensive stats have declined.

I just don't see many plausible options at C, unfortunately.

One thing to take into account, the Mavs only have a max slot if they don't bring Dirk back at $25M.

The free agents available, when we really look, are not that good. You have the elite who are not coming. You have the good rfas who are very very unlikely to come (teams will match). So should we just pay "someone" because he is the best of the rest?

Ibaka with his red flags... I think I would just pass and wouldn't mind another 'losing season'. I would prefer that than to overpay someone like Ibaka who can make 30 million a year in salary.

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline so we can have a clearer picture about the future and direction.

I'm looking, at it appears we will have up to about $37m in cap space, but maybe the info is wrong.

I wouldn't mind another losing season either, as long as a smart pick is made. That's also why I think taking a flyer on Noel is the best option in FA.

I agree about seeing how the rest of the season plays out though. It will be interesting to see what direction is taken.

The 37M is assuming Dirk retires or they don't exercise the team option on him, plus waiving Devin Harris (has just over 1 million guaranteed).

The trade deadline will hopefully let us know that this front office can make a 'forward thinking' move for once, get something for Bogut/Williams and be done with it.

It was interesting to see you bring up the FA C pool, because itis ironic but Bogut would still probably be the Mavs best option in the sense of 'competing for wins' next year. Other than that yeah, you either take the risk on Noel or you just settle for scraps. You absolutely can't go and overpay someone just because 'he was the best available'.

This team has too many holes for the Mavs to be wasting money away on short term fixes.

[Devassa]

One thing to take into account, the Mavs only have a max slot if they don't bring Dirk back at $25M.

The free agents available, when we really look, are not that good. You have the elite who are not coming. You have the good rfas who are very very unlikely to come (teams will match). So should we just pay "someone" because he is the best of the rest?

Ibaka with his red flags... I think I would just pass and wouldn't mind another 'losing season'. I would prefer that than to overpay someone like Ibaka who can make 30 million a year in salary.

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline so we can have a clearer picture about the future and direction.

I'm looking, at it appears we will have up to about $37m in cap space, but maybe the info is wrong.

I wouldn't mind another losing season either, as long as a smart pick is made. That's also why I think taking a flyer on Noel is the best option in FA.

I agree about seeing how the rest of the season plays out though. It will be interesting to see what direction is taken.

The 37M is assuming Dirk retires or they don't exercise the team option on him, plus waiving Devin Harris (has just over 1 million guaranteed).

The trade deadline will hopefully let us know that this front office can make a 'forward thinking' move for once, get something for Bogut/Williams and be done with it.

It was interesting to see you bring up the FA C pool, because itis ironic but Bogut would still probably be the Mavs best option in the sense of 'competing for wins' next year. Other than that yeah, you either take the risk on Noel or you just settle for scraps. You absolutely can't go and overpay someone just because 'he was the best available'.

This team has too many holes for the Mavs to be wasting money away on short term fixes.

I'm not interested in winning next year either, but I would be happy to see Dallas throw the max at Noel and see what happens there.. a lineup consisting of Barnes, Noel, and our next 2 lotto picks (1 big man, 1 PG) would make for an interesting team going forward

[Zen_Paradox]

Back on topic...

The more I see of Smith, the more I like him. I have a feeling we will need to be top 4 to land him though. Maybe we could sneak him at the 5th spot, but I don't see him falling much farther than that, for the time being.

[Torgeir Bryn]

If we can get a couple first for bogut and d will, land a top 3 pick this summer, I'd trade our 2018 for dwight if Atlanta wants to move him

Why would you trade for Dwight, while at the same time trying to get young with more draft picks? Dwight will be close to retiring by the time those are plus players.

I think a couple of first round picks sound way to optimistic, but we should definitely try to get some assets for them (young players or picks).

Because we have a 40 million 2/3 combo, you dont have to be in lotto every year, dont want to be philly and frankly dwight is still a damn good player

Not sure what Matthews and Barnes have to do with this. You don't have to be in the lottery every year, but that is where you have the biggest chance of getting a great franchise player. And if you don't draft him, then you need assets to trade for him.
I don't see what good it would do us to bring in Dwight at this time. He is not making us a contender, so why use the few assets we might have to get him? Just so we can be a 0.500 team again?

We need to get good young players who can be a part of the next great Dallas team. Dwight is too old for that, Deron and Bogut as well.

[Torgeir Bryn]

I'm looking, at it appears we will have up to about $37m in cap space, but maybe the info is wrong.

I wouldn't mind another losing season either, as long as a smart pick is made. That's also why I think taking a flyer on Noel is the best option in FA.

I agree about seeing how the rest of the season plays out though. It will be interesting to see what direction is taken.

The 37M is assuming Dirk retires or they don't exercise the team option on him, plus waiving Devin Harris (has just over 1 million guaranteed).

The trade deadline will hopefully let us know that this front office can make a 'forward thinking' move for once, get something for Bogut/Williams and be done with it.

It was interesting to see you bring up the FA C pool, because itis ironic but Bogut would still probably be the Mavs best option in the sense of 'competing for wins' next year. Other than that yeah, you either take the risk on Noel or you just settle for scraps. You absolutely can't go and overpay someone just because 'he was the best available'.

This team has too many holes for the Mavs to be wasting money away on short term fixes.

I'm not interested in winning next year either, but I would be happy to see Dallas throw the max at Noel and see what happens there.. a lineup consisting of Barnes, Noel, and our next 2 lotto picks (1 big man, 1 PG) would make for an interesting team going forward

Barnes should be thought of as a 4, that's his best position.

[bobsquad]

I admit that I'm a pessimist when it comes to this topic...

Man, there is nothing wrong with applying your logic based off the Mavericks recent history in the transactions department. But I will offer that we have still made some splashes that we often overlook. Harrison Barnes is one of those splashes. So no matter how unlikely, there are always deals to be made and players to be added.

I'll admit, the Mavs have been successful finding the right RFAs to target (Parsons, Barnes), and I expect we'll continue to employ that strategy. It reduces our competition for free agents. Noel and Olynyk are names to watch.

[Zen_Paradox]

The 37M is assuming Dirk retires or they don't exercise the team option on him, plus waiving Devin Harris (has just over 1 million guaranteed).

The trade deadline will hopefully let us know that this front office can make a 'forward thinking' move for once, get something for Bogut/Williams and be done with it.

It was interesting to see you bring up the FA C pool, because itis ironic but Bogut would still probably be the Mavs best option in the sense of 'competing for wins' next year. Other than that yeah, you either take the risk on Noel or you just settle for scraps. You absolutely can't go and overpay someone just because 'he was the best available'.

This team has too many holes for the Mavs to be wasting money away on short term fixes.

I'm not interested in winning next year either, but I would be happy to see Dallas throw the max at Noel and see what happens there.. a lineup consisting of Barnes, Noel, and our next 2 lotto picks (1 big man, 1 PG) would make for an interesting team going forward

Barnes should be thought of as a 4, that's his best position.

His 'best position' must be put into context.

If we had a guy like Drummond, Jordan or Whiteside, it might be plausible to start Barnes at the 4. We don't though, so we shouldn't build a team around him playing out of position.

We build with what we have, and he's a true SF who is really effective in smaller lineups.

Advanced stats showing how much better he is at the 4 than the 3 is a result of how bad this team really is, not how good Barnes is at the 4. Just my humble opinion.

[Torgeir Bryn]

I'm not interested in winning next year either, but I would be happy to see Dallas throw the max at Noel and see what happens there.. a lineup consisting of Barnes, Noel, and our next 2 lotto picks (1 big man, 1 PG) would make for an interesting team going forward

Barnes should be thought of as a 4, that's his best position.

His 'best position' must be put into context.

If we had a guy like Drummond, Jordan or Whiteside, it might be plausible to start Barnes at the 4. We don't though, so we shouldn't build a team around him playing out of position.

We build with what we have, and he's a true SF who is really effective in smaller lineups.

Advanced stats showing how much better he is at the 4 than the 3 is a result of how bad this team really is, not how good Barnes is at the 4. Just my humble opinion.

I think he defends both positions well enough, but on offense his speed advantage against most 4s is nice to have. Against most 3s he lacks the first step to get past them and have to settle for a midrange shot. His floor spacing is also good for a pf, but nothing special as a sf.

[Pointguard01]

Good points. But would you consider Ibaka a good rebounder? Even if you don't make Barnes a full time PF (and I also think that's not a great idea), you have to consider the fact that he'll be playing that a significant amount of time.

No, I wouldn't at all really, but Ibaka would far and away be the best defender on the team, even if his defensive stats have declined.

I just don't see many plausible options at C, unfortunately.

One thing to take into account, the Mavs only have a max slot if they don't bring Dirk back at $25M.

The free agents available, when we really look, are not that good. You have the elite who are not coming. You have the good rfas who are very very unlikely to come (teams will match). So should we just pay "someone" because he is the best of the rest?

Ibaka with his red flags... I think I would just pass and wouldn't mind another 'losing season'. I would prefer that than to overpay someone like Ibaka who can make 30 million a year in salary.

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline so we can have a clearer picture about the future and direction.

There truly isn't much this offseason. If we don't land a PG in the draft, Jeff Teague and George Hill are solid options and upgrades over Deron Williams (even if ever so slightly).

Jonathon Simmons would be intriguing for a backup SG/SF prospect behind Wes/Barnes (he is 27 but he is only in his 2nd NBA season; curious about what his price tag will be).

I would absolutely look at Nerlens Noel. I don't love his attitude but he would get a fresh start around some established professionals like Wes, Harrison, Dirk and Carilise.

I dont love these guys, but Tyreke Evans and Jrue Holiday down in New Orleans are both talented. I don't see a place for Tyreke, but Jrue could be a good option at PG pending what happens in the draft. I just hate how many games he has missed over the past couple of seasons that I would only bite if we could buy "low" (whatever that means these days in the NBA).

Ultimately, it's quite ugly on the free agency landscape this coming year. In an ideal world, we go give Noel a max offer, and see if Philly bites. If not, we play if safe next year, lock up another top 5 pick and then have a solid foundation with Barnes + '17 1st + '18 1st to build around heading in summer 2018 free agency when Dirk would come off the books.

[Pointguard01]

I'm not interested in winning next year either, but I would be happy to see Dallas throw the max at Noel and see what happens there.. a lineup consisting of Barnes, Noel, and our next 2 lotto picks (1 big man, 1 PG) would make for an interesting team going forward

Barnes should be thought of as a 4, that's his best position.

His 'best position' must be put into context.

If we had a guy like Drummond, Jordan or Whiteside, it might be plausible to start Barnes at the 4. We don't though, so we shouldn't build a team around him playing out of position.

We build with what we have, and he's a true SF who is really effective in smaller lineups.

Advanced stats showing how much better he is at the 4 than the 3 is a result of how bad this team really is, not how good Barnes is at the 4. Just my humble opinion.

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[bwgood77]

You might be interested in this. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5lul80/chad_ford_nba_2017_mock_draft_20_projecting_top/

Particularly read the write ups on 6-12, in case you move up.

And of course I like Markkanen, being an AZ alum. He's a 7 footer, with muscle who can rebound and hit the 3. Not a great defender or shot blocker, but a great big stretch 4 if you have a rim protector.

[Dirk]

You might be interested in this. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5lul80/chad_ford_nba_2017_mock_draft_20_projecting_top/

Particularly read the write ups on 6-12, in case you move up.

And of course I like Markkanen, being an AZ alum. He's a 7 footer, with muscle who can rebound and hit the 3. Not a great defender or shot blocker, but a great big stretch 4 if you have a rim protector.

I am expecting the Mavs to be at 10-12 'at best'. Maybe I am trying to reverse jynx it. But there are so many bad/mediocre teams and some may 'be aggressive' in 'giving up', unlike the Mavs who value winning games and that coveted #8-10 seed.

[bwgood77]

You might be interested in this. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5lul80/chad_ford_nba_2017_mock_draft_20_projecting_top/

Particularly read the write ups on 6-12, in case you move up.

And of course I like Markkanen, being an AZ alum. He's a 7 footer, with muscle who can rebound and hit the 3. Not a great defender or shot blocker, but a great big stretch 4 if you have a rim protector.

I am expecting the Mavs to be at 10-12 'at best'. Maybe I am trying to reverse jynx it. But there are so many bad/mediocre teams and some may 'be aggressive' in 'giving up', unlike the Mavs who value winning games and that coveted #8-10 seed.

My guess would be 7-9, but more likely 7 or 8. Those two projections have very good write ups. DX also has Ntilinka going at 11. He has a great write up too, saying he might end up being the best PG in the draft.

[The Sparest]

You might be interested in this. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5lul80/chad_ford_nba_2017_mock_draft_20_projecting_top/

Particularly read the write ups on 6-12, in case you move up.

And of course I like Markkanen, being an AZ alum. He's a 7 footer, with muscle who can rebound and hit the 3. Not a great defender or shot blocker, but a great big stretch 4 if you have a rim protector.

I am expecting the Mavs to be at 10-12 'at best'. Maybe I am trying to reverse jynx it. But there are so many bad/mediocre teams and some may 'be aggressive' in 'giving up', unlike the Mavs who value winning games and that coveted #8-10 seed.

My guess would be 7-9, but more likely 7 or 8. Those two projections have very good write ups. DX also has Ntilinka going at 11. He has a great write up too, saying he might end up being the best PG in the draft.

I really want a top 5 pick to get a Fultz, Ball, Smith, or Jackson, but I doubt that is going to happen now.

I suppose the silver lining is that this is looking like a very deep draft. Guys like Markkanen, Ntilikina, Ferguson, Robert Williams, Tyler Lydon, Pasecniks, Edmond Sumner, Josh Hart, and Johnathan Motley are all interesting to me as building blocks for the future. Probably not All Stars, but solid rotation type players, and you need guys like that to build a team with and attract better players in FA.

If we end up in the 6-10 range, I would like to see them trade down to get multiple picks in the first this year. If we can come out with 2 of the guys above, it would be the start for a young base to build with, but they need to commit wholeheartedly to the youth movement next season.

As much as I love, Dirk and appreciate what he, Cuban, and Donnie have done in their time here, they all need to come to grips with what this team is and what it needs to move forward. They need to stop trying to cobble together a team that can scrape and claw its way to the playoffs, and start building a team that can expect to make the playoffs.

[Zen_Paradox]

If trading down for multiple picks is the plan...Tacko Fall?

[Lord Cuban]

I really wanted Markelle Fultz or Dennis Smith Jr.... our front office is meehhh...