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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#161 » by Rn5ho » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:31 pm

Fischella wrote:This might end up been a good trade for Dallas, not negating that but we are gonna need a ton of luck and it was an unnecessary risk, as of now Dallas (without major wishful-thinking) lost this trade quite clearly, it's not even remotely close


You're saying that as if it were a fact.. which it's clearly not. Dallas got a top 20 player in KP (when healthy) and at that he's only 23 years old. Yes, there's injury risk there, but there's injury risk with every player, always. You simply have to that that.

Not only that, Kristaps is very good/perfect fit next to Luka (on paper of course) and these 2 guys had a friendly rivalry going on for a while now (which is weird, with both of them being so young) and have huge amount of mutual respect - don't forget that one of Luka's "goals" for NBA was to posterize Kristaps in an NBA game. I think their chemistry will be pretty much immediate as Luka's not a selfish player and Kristaps has all the quality to convert the Luka's passes. We now theoretically have 2 players able to put up 25-30 on daily basis along with somewhat decent supporting cast. This is not a contender, but this is a team that can (and should) play in playoffs and has room to grow together. KP and Luka are duo of the future and potentially best players on their position (in the future).

Yes, it can backfire, but that's just negative thinking at this point.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#162 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:41 pm

lol no, it's realistic thinking, first and foremost KP hasn't had a season of top20 impact ever, he might get there and has the potential to do so but it's far from a given, 2nd, the injury risk isn't the same for every player lmao, like be real, KP is a 7-3 dude with anemia issues, brittle and awkward that has already had a major knee injury

I agree on the rest, but this is not the sustainable, best way to rebuild and build a team, this is Cuban all over again for better or for worse

We had Dirk carrying us because he was absurdly good, and Luka is too, so we will be "fine" but this isn't the 2000s, Luka isnt the saint that Dirk is, the reality that the Pels are facing could be ours in 7 years, and this trade is a huge stupid ass risk that puts us closer to that scenario
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#163 » by Darren » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:54 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Atlanta Hawks fans are very happy about this trade.


I think exactly the opposite. The Mavs keep their 2019 1st (top-5). ZInger takes QO to re-sign in 2020 with supermax. As QO takes little space, the Mavs actually forms a superteam from here with Zinger-Doncic-MAX player-Haradaway-whoever. I think Zinger and Haradaway are ultimate great fit with Doncic. Both can shoot well without the ball in hand a lot. With Haradaway having some playmaking skills, Doncic can serve mostly as PG. This gives a lot of flexibility. Maybe the Mavs is really interested in Cousins on bargained term.

Cousins-Zinger-Barnes-Haradaway-Doncic is not too bad. I can't see a lot of suitor to Cousins this summer. The Mavs could re-sign Maxi and DFS without breaking the bank. Replacing Barnes with a top-5 pick next season at some point before Barnes expire. Things could be pretty good. And now, Mavs fans can see Dirk in the starting mode again.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#164 » by jpengland » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:55 pm

Fischella wrote:This might end up been a good trade for Dallas, not negating that but we are gonna need a ton of luck and it was an unnecessary risk, as of now Dallas (without major wishful-thinking) lost this trade quite clearly, it's not even remotely close


Im not a massive KP fan. But if you accept him as already a star and a potential superstar, then this is not an overpay.

For all of the QO talk, he's essentially locked up for another 4 years (there is Zero chance he takes the QO).

We know Carlisle knows how to work with 7 foot shooters and there is apparent respect between Doncic and KP.

We have struck out in free agency for as long as we can remember, I would sooner risk the superstar potential of KP than sign another Barnes.

I hate taking on the Hardaway money as I believe he is utter trash. I'm also reticent about giving up first rounders. That said, you have to pony up for talent.

We have some good role players already in DFS, Kleber, Brunson. We just need to find ways of acquiring a third piece. But that's much easier when you already have two pieces and one is on a rookie deal for the next three years.

We are in a much stronger position than we were last summer. Ill take that.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#165 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Feb 1, 2019 12:56 pm

pelifan wrote:risks are worth the rewards for Dallas.

If KP doesnt work out theres still plenty of time to adjust with how long you cave team control of Doncic

If he dpes work out though yall just got euro Magic and Kareem.
In the meantime all picks are gone, though

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#166 » by Darren » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:00 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
pelifan wrote:risks are worth the rewards for Dallas.

If KP doesnt work out theres still plenty of time to adjust with how long you cave team control of Doncic

If he dpes work out though yall just got euro Magic and Kareem.
In the meantime all picks are gone, though

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There's very good chance rookies won't work well under RC unless it's energy guys and lob target type of bigs. So the Mavs save 2 to-be-wasted picks for a high-risk-high-reward gamble.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#167 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:00 pm

You are all been just insanely optimistic, which I guess goes with been a fan, count me skeptical, I have been through too much of Cuban's stupidity already

This could go right, and then be worth it, sort of, maybe, but the chances that it goes wrong are significantly higher

Also, seems like not many are real about what Porzingis really is
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#168 » by dirkules_41 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:17 pm

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#169 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:20 pm

Darren wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
pelifan wrote:risks are worth the rewards for Dallas.

If KP doesnt work out theres still plenty of time to adjust with how long you cave team control of Doncic

If he dpes work out though yall just got euro Magic and Kareem.
In the meantime all picks are gone, though

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There's very good chance rookies won't work well under RC unless it's energy guys and lob target type of bigs. So the Mavs save 2 to-be-wasted picks for a high-risk-high-reward gamble.
There are a lot of picks, some several years down the road. The move makes sense, I agree, but don't underrate how bad this could turn if things get somehow ugly. It could be Sixers (pre Hinkie) or Nets (Billy King) territory, you trade your future for a present that never materializes.

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#170 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:26 pm

I pray that the Vucevic stuff is just Duffy trying to inflate his value using the connections he has with Dallas now due to Doncic
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#171 » by Raido » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:32 pm

BBALLBREAKDOWN has already good video about Porzingis and Doncic:
Will Porzingis & Doncic Be The Most Exciting Duo In The NBA?
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#172 » by dirkforpres » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:35 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Add Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2021 and we will be set for a decade.


It really is a brilliant plan. I think the Mavs should have Dirk and Kidd as assistant coaches to swoon him
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#173 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:37 pm

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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#174 » by 2011Champs » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:52 pm

fuller4379 wrote:
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I’m not worried about the draft picks 1-Atl, 2-NYK. I’m going to just assume/hope they turn out to be two Mo Agers and a Shane Larkin.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#175 » by Darren » Fri Feb 1, 2019 1:57 pm

Barnes and Powell for Randolph, expiring and a second in the making. And the Mavs makes a run at AD afterall and keep the top-5 pick in 2019 and draft Reddish. AD-Zinger-Reddish-Haradaway-Doncic with a couple of energy guys coming back in second rounds is the best case scenario for the Mavs in 2019 summer.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#176 » by dirkforpres » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:02 pm

2011Champs wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
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I’m not worried about the draft picks 1-Atl, 2-NYK. I’m going to just assume/hope they turn out to be two Mo Agers and a Shane Larkin.


I’m not too worried. The pick this year will probably be in the 11-15 range I’m assuming and that more than likely won’t be a great player... same with the Knicks picks- assuming KP is healthy, him and Doncic will be an incredible duo and we have money to spend for a potential 3rd star this summer. Those picks could and should easily become late first rounders.

Two franchise players on the Mavs now. That’s worth giving up 3 picks for
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#177 » by Da ThRONe » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:07 pm

Fischella wrote:lol no, it's realistic thinking, first and foremost KP hasn't had a season of top20 impact ever, he might get there and has the potential to do so but it's far from a given, 2nd, the injury risk isn't the same for every player lmao, like be real, KP is a 7-3 dude with anemia issues, brittle and awkward that has already had a major knee injury

I agree on the rest, but this is not the sustainable, best way to rebuild and build a team, this is Cuban all over again for better or for worse

We had Dirk carrying us because he was absurdly good, and Luka is too, so we will be "fine" but this isn't the 2000s, Luka isnt the saint that Dirk is, the reality that the Pels are facing could be ours in 7 years, and this trade is a huge stupid ass risk that puts us closer to that scenario


My thinking is closer to this. This is a huge risk for Dallas. Knicks did what they should with malcontents. Trade them the min they let the team know they aren't staying. I disagree with one thing. I think it's not an unnecessary risk given Porzingis age and overall talent level when healthy. If he can stay healthy and buy in long term pairing him with Donic puts the Mavs one player away from title contention.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#178 » by Raido » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:08 pm

Mavericks also has been quite successful past few years with bringing in undrafted role players. We already have our young potential superstars core so we should be fine if we can bring in few more undrafted role players like Maxi, DFS, Mejri, etc next to prime/veteran players.

Dallas has strong European scouting team and now it's even easier to integrate young players from Europe to Mavericks system. I hope Mavericks will have plenty of 2nd round picks our scouts can work with.
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Re: Kristaps Porzingis Discussion 

Post#179 » by dirkules_41 » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:17 pm

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Pointguard01 wrote:Considering our ATL pick is unprotected now, let's get him on the court ASAP!

I don't understand the logic. Could you elaborate why you think this is a good idea?

Get more wins, give them a lower pick. But it doesn't apply as the pick is still protected and the unprotected bit is nonsense.
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Re: [Woj, Shams] KP to Dallas 

Post#180 » by jpengland » Fri Feb 1, 2019 2:44 pm

Raido wrote:Mavericks also has been quite successful past few years with bringing in undrafted role players. We already have our young potential superstars core so we should be fine if we can bring in few more undrafted role players like Maxi, DFS, Mejri, etc next to prime/veteran players.

Dallas has strong European scouting team and now it's even easier to integrate young players from Europe to Mavericks system. I hope Mavericks will have plenty of 2nd round picks our scouts can work with.


This is something which is hugely underrated.

We seem to be capable of turning at least one guy a year into a rotation player through 2nd rounders, undrafted guys and guys from Europe.

If we can keep doing that, it should allow a consistent 3 or 4 guys on minimum or near minimum in our top 10 or 11 players.

To me, the real key is going to be finding a way to add a third player next to KP and Luka. If we can find a way to do that (and KP stays healthy and matures his game) then I trust we can find the other pieces to compete.

The big hope has to be that THJ can shoot the ball well for the next three months and once teams strike out in free agency we find somebody to take him for an expiring. That should open up serious space for 2020.

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