Mark Cuban must go!

[Mavrelous]

THJ bread and butter under RC was the exit screen by a big at the right side, and some other plays here and there, even in his contract year, each time he tried to generate offense it ended badly, his touch around the rim is bad, and his pull up from mid range isn't great, Kidd is badly misusing him, and it's hurting his value more than his already bloated contract.
Kidd needs offensive mastermind next to him, it's obvious to anyone watching the team.

[Mavrelous]

I called this off season a failure of preparation and execution, but I didn't envision this mess, Kidd needs to go, but the main culprit can't be fired sadly.

[Ni Da Ye]

No Cuban must stay.

People make mistakes. Cuban too.

But let's not say he is the worst owner in the league and he must go today.

[arkuo]

I called this off season a failure of preparation and execution, but I didn't envision this mess, Kidd needs to go, but the main culprit can't be fired sadly.

To be fair, no one envisioned Kyrie asking for a trade then getting traded to Dallas 4 days before the deadline. No amount of preparation could have prepared the team for a complete 180. A team who was working out kinks even before the trade happened. Now they have more kinks to work on. But a team like that you need more than 4 days to fix. It doesnt have to all be finished in one trade deadline. They can continue building next season and the season after that. It's a product that's earning dollars so the build is flexible and it's continuous.

This is the important part that a lot of fans forget. This is not the olympics, it's a limited liability company that is a subsidiary of sorts from Mark Cuban's parent company that is private equity backed. So you can still build next year and so on as long as it's an earning product.

And I only bring that up not to sound snarky, but I want Luka and Kyrie to play the season out and start fresh next year with a full camp. Just too much going on with Kyrie having plantar fasciitis, and Luka just settling his lawsuit with his mom. Those two are not thinking straight. It goes back to what Kidd is saying, not defending Kidd by any means but when he said he's watching and these guys are the ones playing, it means you're paid the big bucks, then figure it out. Don't let your problems at home affect your game play and bring all that pent up stress and anger on the refs. Luka needs to grow up a bit and Kyrie got plantar fasciitis for walking the flat earth.

[Mavrelous]

I called this off season a failure of preparation and execution, but I didn't envision this mess, Kidd needs to go, but the main culprit can't be fired sadly.

To be fair, no one envisioned Kyrie asking for a trade then getting traded to Dallas 4 days before the deadline. No amount of preparation could have prepared the team for a complete 180. A team who was working out kinks even before the trade happened. Now they have more kinks to work on. But a team like that you need more than 4 days to fix. It doesnt have to all be finished in one trade deadline. They can continue building next season and the season after that. It's a product that's earning dollars so the build is flexible and it's continuous.

This is the important part that a lot of fans forget. This is not the olympics, it's a limited liability company that is a subsidiary of sorts from Mark Cuban's parent company that is private equity backed. So you can still build next year and so on as long as it's an earning product.

And I only bring that up not to sound snarky, but I want Luka and Kyrie to play the season out and start fresh next year with a full camp. Just too much going on with Kyrie having plantar fasciitis, and Luka just settling his lawsuit with his mom. Those two are not thinking straight. It goes back to what Kidd is saying, not defending Kidd by any means but when he said he's watching and these guys are the ones playing, it means you're paid the big bucks, then figure it out. Don't let your problems at home affect your game play and bring all that pent up stress and anger on the refs. Luka needs to grow up a bit and Kyrie got plantar fasciitis for walking the flat earth.

I celebrated the Kyrie trade, but I'd admit I was wrong, Kyrie has had the lowest load of any NBA player, and he still wasn't healthy to end this year, I'd hesitate before handing him a contract.
I don't envy them, they'll need to make hard decisions, every one of them contains risk, but the current situation is their own doing, I'm 100% convinced of that.

[arkuo]

I called this off season a failure of preparation and execution, but I didn't envision this mess, Kidd needs to go, but the main culprit can't be fired sadly.

To be fair, no one envisioned Kyrie asking for a trade then getting traded to Dallas 4 days before the deadline. No amount of preparation could have prepared the team for a complete 180. A team who was working out kinks even before the trade happened. Now they have more kinks to work on. But a team like that you need more than 4 days to fix. It doesnt have to all be finished in one trade deadline. They can continue building next season and the season after that. It's a product that's earning dollars so the build is flexible and it's continuous.

This is the important part that a lot of fans forget. This is not the olympics, it's a limited liability company that is a subsidiary of sorts from Mark Cuban's parent company that is private equity backed. So you can still build next year and so on as long as it's an earning product.

And I only bring that up not to sound snarky, but I want Luka and Kyrie to play the season out and start fresh next year with a full camp. Just too much going on with Kyrie having plantar fasciitis, and Luka just settling his lawsuit with his mom. Those two are not thinking straight. It goes back to what Kidd is saying, not defending Kidd by any means but when he said he's watching and these guys are the ones playing, it means you're paid the big bucks, then figure it out. Don't let your problems at home affect your game play and bring all that pent up stress and anger on the refs. Luka needs to grow up a bit and Kyrie got plantar fasciitis for walking the flat earth.

I celebrated the Kyrie trade, but I'd admit I was wrong, Kyrie has had the lowest load of any NBA player, and he still wasn't healthy to end this year, I'd hesitate before handing him a contract.
I don't envy them, they'll need to make hard decisions, every one of them contains risk, but the current situation is their own doing, I'm 100% convinced of that.

Yeah i get your point. Kawhi and Embiid were in the same spot when people thought they would not get healthy and skipped seasons. But if you dont give them their max and they happen to flourish in the next city they move to, it's Nico's head on the chopping board. So right now, I'd give him the max still. from a business standpoint you can always blame injury but if the guy performs in the next city and you get back nothing, then there is no excuse for that.

For what it cost to get Kyrie, I think it's okay. Guys like OG Anunoby were going for 3 first rounders. Mavs werent touching that.

[Ni Da Ye]

To be fair, no one envisioned Kyrie asking for a trade then getting traded to Dallas 4 days before the deadline. No amount of preparation could have prepared the team for a complete 180. A team who was working out kinks even before the trade happened. Now they have more kinks to work on. But a team like that you need more than 4 days to fix. It doesnt have to all be finished in one trade deadline. They can continue building next season and the season after that. It's a product that's earning dollars so the build is flexible and it's continuous.

This is the important part that a lot of fans forget. This is not the olympics, it's a limited liability company that is a subsidiary of sorts from Mark Cuban's parent company that is private equity backed. So you can still build next year and so on as long as it's an earning product.

And I only bring that up not to sound snarky, but I want Luka and Kyrie to play the season out and start fresh next year with a full camp. Just too much going on with Kyrie having plantar fasciitis, and Luka just settling his lawsuit with his mom. Those two are not thinking straight. It goes back to what Kidd is saying, not defending Kidd by any means but when he said he's watching and these guys are the ones playing, it means you're paid the big bucks, then figure it out. Don't let your problems at home affect your game play and bring all that pent up stress and anger on the refs. Luka needs to grow up a bit and Kyrie got plantar fasciitis for walking the flat earth.

I celebrated the Kyrie trade, but I'd admit I was wrong, Kyrie has had the lowest load of any NBA player, and he still wasn't healthy to end this year, I'd hesitate before handing him a contract.
I don't envy them, they'll need to make hard decisions, every one of them contains risk, but the current situation is their own doing, I'm 100% convinced of that.

Yeah i get your point. Kawhi and Embiid were in the same spot when people thought they would not get healthy and skipped seasons. But if you dont give them their max and they happen to flourish in the next city they move to, it's Nico's head on the chopping board. So right now, I'd give him the max still. from a business standpoint you can always blame injury but if the guy performs in the next city and you get back nothing, then there is no excuse for that.

For what it cost to get Kyrie, I think it's okay. Guys like OG Anunoby were going for 3 first rounders. Mavs werent touching that.

Kyrie is not Embiid or Kawhi.

[arkuo]

I celebrated the Kyrie trade, but I'd admit I was wrong, Kyrie has had the lowest load of any NBA player, and he still wasn't healthy to end this year, I'd hesitate before handing him a contract.
I don't envy them, they'll need to make hard decisions, every one of them contains risk, but the current situation is their own doing, I'm 100% convinced of that.

Yeah i get your point. Kawhi and Embiid were in the same spot when people thought they would not get healthy and skipped seasons. But if you dont give them their max and they happen to flourish in the next city they move to, it's Nico's head on the chopping board. So right now, I'd give him the max still. from a business standpoint you can always blame injury but if the guy performs in the next city and you get back nothing, then there is no excuse for that.

For what it cost to get Kyrie, I think it's okay. Guys like OG Anunoby were going for 3 first rounders. Mavs werent touching that.

Kyrie is not Embiid or Kawhi.

The gap is obviously closer than Spencer Dinwiddie. He's all NBA. I mean if you can get back the same or better talent for Spencer and Dorian, I'm all for it too. Dallas cant survive with Luka just dribbling the ball for 19 seconds with 4 other guys just looking. That's never going to fly.

[Ni Da Ye]

Yeah i get your point. Kawhi and Embiid were in the same spot when people thought they would not get healthy and skipped seasons. But if you dont give them their max and they happen to flourish in the next city they move to, it's Nico's head on the chopping board. So right now, I'd give him the max still. from a business standpoint you can always blame injury but if the guy performs in the next city and you get back nothing, then there is no excuse for that.

For what it cost to get Kyrie, I think it's okay. Guys like OG Anunoby were going for 3 first rounders. Mavs werent touching that.

Kyrie is not Embiid or Kawhi.

The gap is obviously closer than Spencer Dinwiddie. He's all NBA. I mean if you can get back the same or better talent for Spencer and Dorian, I'm all for it too. Dallas cant survive with Luka just dribbling the ball for 19 seconds with 4 other guys just looking. That's never going to fly.

You are not wrong. But we all know it's the defense that lost us the games.

[arkuo]

Kyrie is not Embiid or Kawhi.

The gap is obviously closer than Spencer Dinwiddie. He's all NBA. I mean if you can get back the same or better talent for Spencer and Dorian, I'm all for it too. Dallas cant survive with Luka just dribbling the ball for 19 seconds with 4 other guys just looking. That's never going to fly.

You are not wrong. But we all know it's the defense that lost us the games.

Yeah. They will need to plug at least two holes this summer. Since Luka doesnt defend, those remaining two spots will have to be taken by defenders. It's Nash and Dirk all over again.

[ozwizard8]

The gap is obviously closer than Spencer Dinwiddie. He's all NBA. I mean if you can get back the same or better talent for Spencer and Dorian, I'm all for it too. Dallas cant survive with Luka just dribbling the ball for 19 seconds with 4 other guys just looking. That's never going to fly.

You are not wrong. But we all know it's the defense that lost us the games.

Yeah. They will need to plug at least two holes this summer. Since Luka doesnt defend, those remaining two spots will have to be taken by defenders. It's Nash and Dirk all over again.

Please do not disrespect Nash's name with Kyrie.

Kyrie for last 6 seasons tanked his teams. He is a mental case and probably the worst one in the league.
Nash would win you games, make others better. He was an MVP. Kyrie is street-baller. He is impressive with his finishes but his efficiency does not worth it with that salary. Especially not for a Luka team.

I'd rather keep Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie than have Kyrie. 5-year contract to him can be so costly for this franchise. He is old as well, he can turn into new Kemba Walker pretty soon. I'd risk the injury if its Kawhi, Embiid. When they're healthy they make sense with Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not doing **** without a proper front court. And Mavs dont have any asset or cap space while having Kyrie on board.

[Ni Da Ye]

You are not wrong. But we all know it's the defense that lost us the games.

Yeah. They will need to plug at least two holes this summer. Since Luka doesnt defend, those remaining two spots will have to be taken by defenders. It's Nash and Dirk all over again.

Please do not disrespect Nash's name with Kyrie.

Kyrie for last 6 seasons tanked his teams. He is a mental case and probably the worst one in the league.
Nash would win you games, make others better. He was an MVP. Kyrie is street-baller. He is impressive with his finishes but his efficiency does not worth it with that salary. Especially not for a Luka team.

I'd rather keep Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie than have Kyrie. 5-year contract to him can be so costly for this franchise. He is old as well, he can turn into new Kemba Walker pretty soon. I'd risk the injury if its Kawhi, Embiid. When they're healthy they make sense with Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not doing **** without a proper front court. And Mavs dont have any asset or cap space while having Kyrie on board.

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

[SOUNDCHASER]

We have Kyrie's replacement already if he won't stay plus we can sign a couple rookies likely by trading down from 10 if we do fall out of PO contention. Center is needed most of all and I doubt we win the lottery so wemby is off the list. Zach Edey at 7'4" 290#'s is available and he is likely the best center in the draft if you know how to use a guy like Boban except he can actually get up and down the court and score and guard the rim with a better motor and he posseses way more athletic ability so what a nightmare the mavs would be for the league with him and Luka.

We could have the 10th pick to snag the best available SF/ PF worth keeping as well if it looks like we would be able to grab ZE in the 2nd with a lower pick that we could trade for like we did for Hardy.

That play would turn into at least a contributor who could possibly develop into something more and Zach is a center we can start him day one. Edey is not scoring high on mocks so an earlier 2nd could be enough to grab him unless we see him start to dominate in one of the combines and wow people. Then he might be a lottery pick and all we can hope for is to grab him with whatever pick we get by falling out of the PO's and many a big has seemed like a 2nd and then rocket up the prospect lists after a great combine.

If Irving leaves we have $$$ to spend on a FA. S&T coould help us to get rid of Bullock or THJ etc...

Ideally we just win and get in the play offs and make a trade for an early 2nd or late 1st in the offseason so we can acquire Zach to fortify the front line and just resign everyone but you can never assume that sort of thing will happen so if we do lose we can plug 2 holes if we play our cards right and just count on our youth to develop and take a step forward as we play Hardy and Green more.

[Mavrelous]

I don't blame Cuban for Nash leaving, it's not like he saved his salary, he went out and signed Dampier, it was moronic in hindsight, but Dirk needed a center and Nash couldn't work defensively and the team ceiling was limited, with Brunson he let him go for nothing, and filled the roster with overpaid scrubs instead of planning his books properly before Luka's extension kicked in.
2023 Cuban is nowhere near 2003 Cuban.

[41Dirk41]

Yeah. They will need to plug at least two holes this summer. Since Luka doesnt defend, those remaining two spots will have to be taken by defenders. It's Nash and Dirk all over again.

Please do not disrespect Nash's name with Kyrie.

Kyrie for last 6 seasons tanked his teams. He is a mental case and probably the worst one in the league.
Nash would win you games, make others better. He was an MVP. Kyrie is street-baller. He is impressive with his finishes but his efficiency does not worth it with that salary. Especially not for a Luka team.

I'd rather keep Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie than have Kyrie. 5-year contract to him can be so costly for this franchise. He is old as well, he can turn into new Kemba Walker pretty soon. I'd risk the injury if its Kawhi, Embiid. When they're healthy they make sense with Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not doing **** without a proper front court. And Mavs dont have any asset or cap space while having Kyrie on board.

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

Only a clarification, last time i checked Wikipedia Kyrie won a ring, Nash didn't... Who is the winner?

[arkuo]

Nash was lazy AF and often injured during his time with Dallas. The fire just got lit under him when he realized Cuban would not re sign him to the amount he wanted and worked his ass off in PHX. So essentially PHX just put a carrot in front of the rabbit then the rabbit started working. He became MVP there but did not win a ring because he didnt play defense too. Nash and Dirk didnt play defense. Luka and Kyrie are the same. You need defensive players around them.

[Ni Da Ye]

Please do not disrespect Nash's name with Kyrie.

Kyrie for last 6 seasons tanked his teams. He is a mental case and probably the worst one in the league.
Nash would win you games, make others better. He was an MVP. Kyrie is street-baller. He is impressive with his finishes but his efficiency does not worth it with that salary. Especially not for a Luka team.

I'd rather keep Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie than have Kyrie. 5-year contract to him can be so costly for this franchise. He is old as well, he can turn into new Kemba Walker pretty soon. I'd risk the injury if its Kawhi, Embiid. When they're healthy they make sense with Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not doing **** without a proper front court. And Mavs dont have any asset or cap space while having Kyrie on board.

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

Only a clarification, last time i checked Wikipedia Kyrie won a ring, Nash didn't... Who is the winner?

You are the winner of the ignore list

[41Dirk41]

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

Only a clarification, last time i checked Wikipedia Kyrie won a ring, Nash didn't... Who is the winner?

You are the winner of the ignore list

[ozwizard8]

Please do not disrespect Nash's name with Kyrie.

Kyrie for last 6 seasons tanked his teams. He is a mental case and probably the worst one in the league.
Nash would win you games, make others better. He was an MVP. Kyrie is street-baller. He is impressive with his finishes but his efficiency does not worth it with that salary. Especially not for a Luka team.

I'd rather keep Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie than have Kyrie. 5-year contract to him can be so costly for this franchise. He is old as well, he can turn into new Kemba Walker pretty soon. I'd risk the injury if its Kawhi, Embiid. When they're healthy they make sense with Luka. Luka-Kyrie is not doing **** without a proper front court. And Mavs dont have any asset or cap space while having Kyrie on board.

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

Only a clarification, last time i checked Wikipedia Kyrie won a ring, Nash didn't... Who is the winner?

Adam Morrison won 2 rings. So what? Is he more of a winner than Kyrie?
Dirk only won 1 ring but he is much better player, teammate than Kyrie. He lifted his team each year, and also won a title.

Stacked Cavs roster, Lebron-Love. NBA suspending GSW players. Yes Kyrie was great at scoring in that playoff run. Nash never had that good of roster with top 5 player playing alongside him. PHX had sth but bad injury luck, some shady opponents injuring them in playoffs closed their window.

[41Dirk41]

Exactly.

Nash is a winner. a fighter. a good teammate and friend. a hard worker. a true mvp.

Kyrie is the opposite. a whinner. a weirdo. a lazy arse. a cancer. a diva

Only a clarification, last time i checked Wikipedia Kyrie won a ring, Nash didn't... Who is the winner?

Adam Morrison won 2 rings. So what? Is he more of a winner than Kyrie?
Dirk only won 1 ring but he is much better player, teammate than Kyrie. He lifted his team each year, and also won a title.

Stacked Cavs roster, Lebron-Love. NBA suspending GSW players. Yes Kyrie was great at scoring in that playoff run. Nash never had that good of roster with top 5 player playing alongside him. PHX had sth but bad injury luck, some shady opponents injuring them in playoffs closed their window.

Bad bad bad comparison. This a troll answer.

Kyrie played (great) in that run, he was the second option of that team.
You don't like him but you can't trash his career and his title. It's disrespectful.