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Re: Finals 2024 - G1 - Mavs @ Celtics (Thursd., 8:30PMEST) 

Post#161 » by arkuo » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:41 am

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arkuo wrote:KP is a very good example of why not a lot of players are willing to just stand in the corner for Doncic. Not everybody will just be open to slotting into a PJ Washington or a DJJ role for Luka. You have to find the right pieces and those pieces have to be willing to slot into that role. Sans the stat padding of Tatum earlier, it would look like KP was the main guy and Tatum was playing 2nd fiddle.

Overall, the Boston team is build differently with 4 stars + White. Holiday + Brown + Tatum + KP could all get plays called for them and have them do their own thing. Doncic's team is built around Doncic and Kyrie doing your turn my turn + 3 other guys trained to stand in the corner wait for a kick out pass or lob. Just different structures. We'll see what system works best

To be fair, KP didn't do anything offensively that he wasn't enabled to do with Luka when he was in DAL. He shot 3s and shot middies over smaller players. Same thing he would do here. The difference isn't about who he's playing with now, the difference is that he's matured. One could say that his time in WAS humbled him.



True. My point was his willingness to slot into that role was non existent. And to find those willing to slot into that role further streamlines the already small pool of players avaialble for that type of arrangement to improve the team. Its only a select few that are willing to slot into the 3&D role stand in the corner type. And they are paid handsomely to compensate for loss income. See Jaden Mcdaniels, Jarred Vanderbilt et al.
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Post#162 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 6:57 am

Mavs didnt have a good start. We were a little to worried about fouling while Celtics simply pushed, swiped, show more energy in early on. When refs help KP he can go off. KP should've called fouls due to jumping and landing on our players but refs didn't want him in foul trouble in first half, and helped him with foul calls on offense to get go. Otherwise he is bad at rotations, bites on fakes, and slow in many possessions. 2nd half him being on the court helped us.

Our run in late 2nd and first half of 3rd quarter was good. But Boston Celtics are elite at REFs.
- Instead of calling KP foul, they called Lively a travel.
- Many bad layup attempts of Jaylen Brown -> saved by foul calls on Lively.
They just gave away 3-4 possessions to build a Celtics momentum and saved them.

Bill Simmons and Boston media are working on this angle all the time. They are super powerful with the refs.

Boston being taller, players reach-in's never get called a problem especially for Kyrie. If he cannot get foul calls on those reach in then things get harder for him. But the main thing is him thinking too much about all going on. F'in ESPN is awfully supporting Celtics and they were so depressed when Mavs made a run. And those guys asked for Kyrie interview after Q1. Wtf was that? Celtics leading get a Celtic player to interview. I am telling this because anytime Kyrie focus on what he says to the media, how he looks against the 20,000 crowd, his performance declines. After G3, Kyrie made tons of interviews etc and he wasn't good next game. He even gave a quote like its their superbowl but a regular game for us. These really dont help. Mavs must save Kyrie from interviews, just find a way for him to be laser focused. Wear him horse blinkers, horse tack. He shouldn't see whats going on around. Just focus to the court.

Props to Luka for another great game. Refs not calling fouls for reach-in's, players getting under Luka during jump-shots, or Horford tackling Luka after a layup are just awful today. It will be a tough series.

I am hopeful for 2nd game adjustments but without refs letting a fair game, this will not be easy.
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Re: Finals 2024 - G1 - Mavs @ Celtics (Thursd., 8:30PMEST) 

Post#163 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:02 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Also multiple low IQ moments of driving into traffic and KP under the rim...


DJJ is kinda known for those drives and Josh unfortunately doesn't understand basketball at all. But honestly that was the least of Mavs problems.

I honestly can't understand how unprepared we were for KP. He destroyed us in first half and couldn't do anything in second half.

Like things are looking, we will need Luka scoring 40 and Kyrie having a decent game to win something.

Kyrie has to score 25-30 on good percentage.
The deficit stck at 8 multiple possesions, Mavs could'ce gone for the kill, Kyrie **** his pants, refs screwed Lively and then it was over again, this happened after KP barrage in the 1st half.

Kyrie must stay focused to the game. He shouldn't shy away from some possessions due to not getting foul calls. Perhaps he needs to showcase those couple more times. Also hunt some switches on KP or smaller dudes.

Refs calling travel for Lively instead of KP foul. Then saving Jaylen Brown with 2 Lively fouls were the game changing moments. Altough refs worked super hard for 2-minute stretch, Kyrie and our team could've been more composed on offense to get some better shots to stay in 10-15pt range.

Mazzula is a trash coach. Lead going from 29 to 8. He called timeout and REFS suddenly changed behavior. Pathetic Boston basketball that only relies on refs bailing them out. Carlisle was right.
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Post#164 » by Bob8 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:18 am

arkuo wrote:Without the passing and the alley oops, Doncic just looks like a regular NBA all star. Boston managed to take that part out, add to that Kyrie's cold shooting night and you have a 20 pt blowout.


I don't know if you should blame this game on Luka. Luka was phenomenal until everything fell apart after nobody could hit anything, when Mavs were 8 down. We needed just normal Kyrie in first 3Q and normal plan for KP in first half and we would be up in that point. Or maybe you believe starters like DJJ and Gafford and rookie Lively is enough to not be blownout now and then?

I have to say I'm a bit more optimistic now, when I see hater Arkuo is back after he disappeared after game 5 of Okc series. ;) Now we need to hear just fat and lazy Luka slander and we're guaranteed to win.

Difficult to find more pathetic fans than some on this board. 1 bad game and sky is falling. Just to remind you, we were similarly beaten in first game in this playoffs, Clippers playing without best player, but we're by miracle still here. Finals are far from over, but yes Kyrie scoring 12 points from 19 shots and not doing much otherwise won't be enough. The only player with Finals experience being one of the worst in Mavs? Who expected that? I for sure didn't.

Regular Nba All Star and member of first All Nba team just had 16 points on 16 shots + 6 TOs. I guess he would fit better with Mavs? Or just maybe having Brown is a little better than DJJ? Or Jrue outplaying Kyrie on both sides of the court?

Boston can't play much better than they were in first half and Mavs outside Luka can't play much worse. I believe we will see different game 2.
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Post#165 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:48 am

Went over few recaps, everyone is killing Lively, I didn't see that at all....
He switched really well, defended well, and was killed by the referees...
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Post#166 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:50 am

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41Dirk41 wrote:KP press conference was scary, very scary... He laughed a lot, his face was just a big smile all the time.

He will be at 200% tonight, well rested for the Finals.
Boston in 3. They are too good.

Luckily we all betted on them. Easy money incoming.
That's good.

And this is exactly why Italians never have money and always gamble away the last bit they have.


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Post#167 » by Bob8 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:57 am

Mavrelous wrote:Went over few recaps, everyone is killing Lively, I didn't see that at all....
He switched really well, defended well, and was killed by the referees...


They're killing him because expectations were too big. He can't do anything in offense except dunk, what is more than enough for rookie, but expectations just went wild after Wolves series. Normal Kyrie and game would have opened for others too.
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Post#168 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:05 am

Our role players + Kyrie choked hard, they HAVE to take 3s. Not pass them.

DJJ is a low BBIQ player, you can't drive yo the basket because he is not your job.
I don't remember the guy here who wanted him to penetrate and not take the 3s. Probably a troll.

Jason Midd with the THJ move. Absolutely trash. Both obviously.

Luka played alone against the best team in the NBA.

Another bad game preparation from Kidd. Countless at this point.

Play hard against KP, beat him. Fight him. Punch him if is necessary. He is soft and scary.
If we let him take easy shots he will destroy us.

They role players are better for us but we can't let them go up 28 because of them.

We played trash.

But the 2 travel call in the third after our run were laughtables.
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Post#169 » by agentofatlas » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:44 am

Mavrelous wrote:Went over few recaps, everyone is killing Lively, I didn't see that at all....
He switched really well, defended well, and was killed by the referees...


He's our best big. He needs to avoid foul trouble and stay on the floor.

I know Kidd won't do it but I think now is the time to start him.
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Post#170 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:49 am

agentofatlas wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Went over few recaps, everyone is killing Lively, I didn't see that at all....
He switched really well, defended well, and was killed by the referees...


He's our best big. He needs to avoid foul trouble and stay on the floor.

I know Kidd won't do it but I think now is the time to start him.


I think he got the short end of the stick on his calls, refs allow high level of physicality to everyone except for him, on his travel call, he was whacked by White and lost his balance, they call the weak travel and ignore the obvious foul.
Kidd should comfort him and reassure him, he just needs to keep doing what he's doing...
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Post#171 » by arkuo » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:50 am

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arkuo wrote:Without the passing and the alley oops, Doncic just looks like a regular NBA all star. Boston managed to take that part out, add to that Kyrie's cold shooting night and you have a 20 pt blowout.


I don't know if you should blame this game on Luka. Luka was phenomenal until everything fell apart after nobody could hit anything, when Mavs were 8 down. We needed just normal Kyrie in first 3Q and normal plan for KP in first half and we would be up in that point. Or maybe you believe starters like DJJ and Gafford and rookie Lively is enough to not be blownout now and then?

I have to say I'm a bit more optimistic now, when I see hater Arkuo is back after he disappeared after game 5 of Okc series. ;) Now we need to hear just fat and lazy Luka slander and we're guaranteed to win.

Difficult to find more pathetic fans than some on this board. 1 bad game and sky is falling. Just to remind you, we were similarly beaten in first game in this playoffs, Clippers playing without best player, but we're by miracle still here. Finals are far from over, but yes Kyrie scoring 12 points from 19 shots and not doing much otherwise won't be enough. The only player with Finals experience being one of the worst in Mavs? Who expected that? I for sure didn't.

Regular Nba All Star and member of first All Nba team just had 16 points on 16 shots + 6 TOs. I guess he would fit better with Mavs? Or just maybe having Brown is a little better than DJJ? Or Jrue outplaying Kyrie on both sides of the court?

Boston can't play much better than they were in first half and Mavs outside Luka can't play much worse. I believe we will see different game 2.


Im not blaming Luka. He's actually the only guy who decided to show up today. Offensively he still put up 30 and 10. What Boston took away are the lobs and kickouts. So the gameplan is clear, just take everyone else out and let Luka try to score 100+ if he can.

Next game I'm expecting Kyrie to set his alarm clock and actually show up for Game 2. I expect Lively to battle for lob passes. Because they did everything right with Minnesota and I didnt see any of those tonight. Could be charged to a slow game 1 which is a typical Jason Kidd pace. We will see in game 2.
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Post#172 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jun 7, 2024 8:56 am

Mavs got away with having bad shooting supporting cast by defending like crazy in previous matchups, and having one of them hit his shots, Celtics had 115 ORTG this game, that' about as good as you'll get, maybe dial it down to 112-113, Celtics are too good to go lower, Mavs need to score to have a shot, and they need to be smart about it, most of the 9 blocks Celtics had yesterday were because of bad driving decision, shoot the 3, even if you miss, there's a better chance of offensive rebound...
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Post#173 » by Darren » Fri Jun 7, 2024 10:44 am

I get an idea to win the matchup. Start Maxi in place of Kyrie. Even if one big is driven away from the paint, another one can continue to protect the rim Maxi can guard long jumpers and hit long jumpers

Lively can stick with KP like glue without bothering to get back to the paint.

Kyrie, Hardy and Green lead a ninja like unit to strike in speedy mode with the 2nd unit. Whether or not Gafford start depends on where Boston puts KP in.

I don't like the.Kid nonsense comparing Boston to Shaq and Kobe. The latter is significantly better than the Boston lineup. This Boston team definitely can't win over that Fakers team which draws triple team on Shaq. And this Mavs team has no Keith Van Horn syndrome.

Kidd expect a sweep thinking about all kinds of excuses about talent. But the talent level is remarkably different to start with.
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Post#174 » by BliscoSantos » Fri Jun 7, 2024 10:53 am

KP and Brown destroyed the Mavs...remember when KP played for the Mavs and everytime he came back from an injury he looked rusty, couldn't move..well,that wasn't the case yesterday...he was mobile,made tough shots...when he played for the Mavs he couldn't score against Point guards and yesterday he was dominating everybody

Kidd's got a lot of work to do...everybody has to do better...only Luka and PJ played solid,everybody Else was terrible
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Post#175 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:03 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Also multiple low IQ moments of driving into traffic and KP under the rim...


DJJ is kinda known for those drives and Josh unfortunately doesn't understand basketball at all. But honestly that was the least of Mavs problems.

I honestly can't understand how unprepared we were for KP. He destroyed us in first half and couldn't do anything in second half.

Like things are looking, we will need Luka scoring 40 and Kyrie having a decent game to win something.


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Post#176 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:05 am

GermanFan120 wrote:When Green attempted that dunk over KP, I was screaming at my tv.

Who do you think you are, prime Lebron?

The guy's ball IQ cannot be taught. Sure he plays hard, but he plays stupid too.


Stupid is the ebst adjective to describe him.

Also that play where he was guarding the taller KP and what does Josh do when KP shoots? Ducks down
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Post#177 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:09 am

daoneandonly wrote:
GermanFan120 wrote:When Green attempted that dunk over KP, I was screaming at my tv.

Who do you think you are, prime Lebron?

The guy's ball IQ cannot be taught. Sure he plays hard, but he plays stupid too.


Stupid is the ebst adjective to describe him.

Also that play where he was guarding the taller KP and what does Josh do when KP shoots? Ducks down


I think he's done for the series TBH, Green has a really shaky confidence, this will haunt him for months, Kidd should really go with Exum and Hardy, they are much better fit for this matchup.
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Post#178 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:13 am

Mavrelous wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
GermanFan120 wrote:When Green attempted that dunk over KP, I was screaming at my tv.

Who do you think you are, prime Lebron?

The guy's ball IQ cannot be taught. Sure he plays hard, but he plays stupid too.


Stupid is the ebst adjective to describe him.

Also that play where he was guarding the taller KP and what does Josh do when KP shoots? Ducks down


I think he's done for the series TBH, Green has a really shaky confidence, this will haunt him for months, Kidd should really go with Exum and Hardy, they are much better fit for this matchup.


Yea, Im still curious what the locker room issue with Grant WIlliams truly was? I mean we got to the Finals so I cant complain too much, but if Cha was willing to take Green for PJ straight up without a pick as some rumors mentioned, I really wish we did that. Then keep Grant on the bench unless he was really a locker room killer, and if so trade him for a wing who could take these Josh minutes.

People whine that I call out Green too much, but he deserves it. One of the worst draft picks in the history of this franchise. Just a stupid player who doesn't care and tried his hardest when it was time to reup his contract.
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Post#179 » by Archx » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:16 am

This team is so wild when it comes to series starts. They forget how to shoot and play, but the next game they'll be 45% from 3 and look like the best team ever.
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Post#180 » by Bob8 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:24 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Also multiple low IQ moments of driving into traffic and KP under the rim...


DJJ is kinda known for those drives and Josh unfortunately doesn't understand basketball at all. But honestly that was the least of Mavs problems.

I honestly can't understand how unprepared we were for KP. He destroyed us in first half and couldn't do anything in second half.

Like things are looking, we will need Luka scoring 40 and Kyrie having a decent game to win something.


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I doubt anyone can defend him anymore.

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