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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#181 » by Teffer10 » Wed May 14, 2025 11:21 pm

As much as I hate the thought of Gaff going to LA, I think we'd get the most value in return from any deal that gets him there. Luka wants him, so Lakers might be willing to pay premium price.

Maybe something that gets Gaff to LA, Reeves to Chicago, and White to Dallas as the 3 primary pieces.
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Post#182 » by Darren » Wed May 14, 2025 11:22 pm

I won't trade Gafford for Mark Williams package. I don't want Austin Reaves in return. Find a third team to give the Mavs the last puzzle - for example Herb Jones.
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Post#183 » by Darren » Wed May 14, 2025 11:25 pm

I lane towards putting Flagg on guard and keep Washington if things work out. If PJ is traded, it would be for 2 reasons. First, Flagg cannot play effectively on both ends against guards. Second, you get an elite 3D player in return, preferably young enough to build around long term.
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Post#184 » by Mr B » Wed May 14, 2025 11:55 pm

Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.

The only problem is that most of the guards that are available like Reaves are in a contract year and looking to get paid. Reaves is going to command a pretty large payday.

I know Reaves is in a contract year. Josh Giddey is a RFA, Collin Sexton is signed through 2026-27 season, and Coby White has 1 more year left on his season. So based on contract size the order should be Coby White($12M 1 year left), Collin Sexton ($19M 2 years left), Reaves ($14M 1 year left), or Josh Giddey RFA)
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Post#185 » by Archx » Thu May 15, 2025 1:08 am

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Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:Shams being captain obvious stating Mavs are going after a guard whether in free agency or via trade.


I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers offer same deal for Gafford as they did for Williams. Actually wouldn't be that bad because you would have 2 Lakers 1st round picks to make even a stronger package and get a really good guard in return.

The only problem is that most of the guards that are available like Reaves are in a contract year and looking to get paid. Reaves is going to command a pretty large payday.

I know Reaves is in a contract year. Josh Giddey is a RFA, Collin Sexton is signed through 2026-27 season, and Coby White has 1 more year left on his season. So based on contract size the order should be Coby White($12M 1 year left), Collin Sexton ($19M 2 years left), Reaves ($14M 1 year left), or Josh Giddey RFA)


The thing is, Reaves just signed a new contract 4/58M .. that's basically one of the best contracts in the league. And AR is going to command A LOT more than just Gafford. Not on the same level value wise.

The Lakers package i was talking about was Knecht, Cam Reddish, a first-round swap in 2030 and an unprotected first-round pick in 2031 ... You can re-route that for an even bigger package because Mavs already have one 1st from LA and their own 1st 2032 just opened up. That's a lot of assets to work with.
But salary is the issue because you have to be careful how much you take back. Then it becomes obvious some sort of combination of PJ/Klay/Hardy maybe even Naji, would have to go.

Darren wrote:I lane towards putting Flagg on guard and keep Washington if things work out. If PJ is traded, it would be for 2 reasons. First, Flagg cannot play effectively on both ends against guards. Second, you get an elite 3D player in return, preferably young enough to build around long term.


If PJ is traded, that's 100% not the reason why. And we have no clue what value PJ actually holds and what he can bring you back. It's an open market and market dictates the value. It's more what you would NEED to get back for him, if you can achieve that, that's another story.

But if you need elite 3&D guy for PJ, then trading him would be the dumbest thing because you can just resign him and call it a day.
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Post#186 » by Maverick41 » Thu May 15, 2025 1:54 am

I'm not a fan of trading PJ. We were 8-17 without him this year, including a good chunk of those even when Luka was on the team. Understand that his self-creation skills aren't always the prettiest but he's proven that he can play an off-ball, dirty-work role when Kidd isn't forcing him to be more. He's one of the best role players out there, not to mention one of the most versatile.

I expect the closing frontline (3-5) to be Flagg/PJ/AD in most games when healthy. That's probably the best 2 way frontline in the NBA, or at least very high up there.
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Post#187 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:38 am

Maverick41 wrote:I'm not a fan of trading PJ. We were 8-17 without him this year, including a good chunk of those even when Luka was on the team. Understand that his self-creation skills aren't always the prettiest but he's proven that he can play an off-ball, dirty-work role when Kidd isn't forcing him to be more. He's one of the best role players out there, not to mention one of the most versatile.

I expect the closing frontline (3-5) to be Flagg/PJ/AD in most games when healthy. That's probably the best 2 way frontline in the NBA, or at least very high up there.


Agree.

Flagg-PJ-AD is nuts.

But street clothes doesn't want to play C so we can see that lineup just in the clutch...
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Post#188 » by Darren » Thu May 15, 2025 2:53 am

I want to see if Gary Payton II is available, within a reasonable price tag of course.
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Post#189 » by Darren » Thu May 15, 2025 4:56 am

PJ + Gafford + Klay + Martin + LAL's 1st for Lebron. Sign 1-2 minimum big. Find 1-2 undrafted / veteran minimum SF/SG or PF/SF
That's not bad when healthy.
Build around a team in Orlando style (with positionless basketball where there're tons of shot-blocker everywhere) with SAS and OKC roster in mind. Develop young players into more versatile players with less injury-prone body shape and playing style.

C - Lively / Moses Brown? Kai Jones? Jamarion Sharp? / Powell
PF - AD / OMax
SF - Flagg / Marshall
SG - Lebron / Christie
PG - Kyrie / B-Will / Hardy
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Post#190 » by Darren » Thu May 15, 2025 5:09 am

I would also watch closely what Indiana wants to do with Myles Turner and Muthias.
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Post#191 » by Teffer10 » Thu May 15, 2025 5:42 am

Darren wrote:PJ + Gafford + Klay + Martin + LAL's 1st for Lebron. Sign 1-2 minimum big. Find 1-2 undrafted / veteran minimum SF/SG or PF/SF
That's not bad when healthy.
Build around a team in Orlando style (with positionless basketball where there're tons of shot-blocker everywhere) with SAS and OKC roster in mind. Develop young players into more versatile players with less injury-prone body shape and playing style.

C - Lively / Moses Brown? Kai Jones? Jamarion Sharp? / Powell
PF - AD / OMax
SF - Flagg / Marshall
SG - Lebron / Christie
PG - Kyrie / B-Will / Hardy

Lakers would be ripping us off again if we made a deal like that for a 41 year old.

I am beginning to think we should make minor moves and basically go with what we got.

With all of the injuries and question marks going into the season, maybe we should see what we have in William's, see if OMax can improve his value, can Kyrie return back to near normal, see if AD can stay healthy, and see how NBA ready CF is and then address need at the TDL.p
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Post#192 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:18 am

I can't understand why people want LeBron James here. He can't guard a chair and his contract is huge.

Let him there hoping he will ruin the Lakers dynasty
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Post#193 » by arkuo » Thu May 15, 2025 6:20 am

We're not taking Bron, Darren LOL
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Post#194 » by ACMFFL » Thu May 15, 2025 6:38 am

And anyway expiring 40 years old LBJ is nowhere near worth PJ/Gaff/1FRP.
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Post#195 » by Mavrelous » Thu May 15, 2025 7:27 am

Klay, Hardy, Powell, Gaford, PJ for LeBron and Bronny, I'll do it.
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Post#196 » by MassimoPayne » Thu May 15, 2025 7:37 am

Guys do your math

You can't pay Kyre, Lebron and AD. LeBron makes also sense at all.
Actually we also don't need Herb Jones. We have Cooper and PJ. I don't see Cooper playing SG.
Gafford or another good back up center is still needed. Lively just came from injrury. Is young and still needs to learn a lot. If he has foul trouble and AD is injured (which he will be at some point) i don't want to see Powell.

If you can keep him for <15 per year they should keep him. If he wants more do a sign and trade maybe in packe with PJ.
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Post#197 » by arkuo » Thu May 15, 2025 7:38 am

With so much talent on the roster top to bottom, the perfect PG for this type of team is a Rajon Rondo type. Like a 3&D type of point guard if there is such a thing.
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Post#198 » by arkuo » Thu May 15, 2025 7:38 am

Mavrelous wrote:Klay, Hardy, Powell, Gaford, PJ for LeBron and Bronny, I'll do it.



Nico has to promise Klutch he's drafting Bryce too. Or else no deal.
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Post#199 » by Mr B » Thu May 15, 2025 7:51 am

Teffer10 wrote:
Darren wrote:PJ + Gafford + Klay + Martin + LAL's 1st for Lebron. Sign 1-2 minimum big. Find 1-2 undrafted / veteran minimum SF/SG or PF/SF
That's not bad when healthy.
Build around a team in Orlando style (with positionless basketball where there're tons of shot-blocker everywhere) with SAS and OKC roster in mind. Develop young players into more versatile players with less injury-prone body shape and playing style.

C - Lively / Moses Brown? Kai Jones? Jamarion Sharp? / Powell
PF - AD / OMax
SF - Flagg / Marshall
SG - Lebron / Christie
PG - Kyrie / B-Will / Hardy

Lakers would be ripping us off again if we made a deal like that for a 41 year old.

I am beginning to think we should make minor moves and basically go with what we got.

With all of the injuries and question marks going into the season, maybe we should see what we have in William's, see if OMax can improve his value, can Kyrie return back to near normal, see if AD can stay healthy, and see how NBA ready CF is and then address need at the TDL.p

Other than obtaining a starting caliber PG there is no need to hurry and make a trade. They could easily wait until the trade deadline.
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Post#200 » by ACMFFL » Thu May 15, 2025 7:54 am

Mavrelous wrote:Klay, Hardy, Powell, Gaford, PJ for LeBron and Bronny, I'll do it.


Mavs have to dump someone without taking back any salaries in order to be able to aggregate. And LeBron has to take his PO otherwise Mavs have no path to sign anyone via S&T cause we'll never be able to go below the first apron.
Anyway I dont think LBJ fits in this team, spacing is too poor (he would be the best shooter in our starting lineup..) and I fear that bringing in a selfish, huge ball dominant player is not the best scenario for Flagg development.
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