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Post#1841 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:01 pm

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I think you're severely overreacting. Mavs fanbase is unhappy with Nico because this team would have a top3 MVP candidate in his prime and perfect players built around him. Nico decided to postpone that for the next like 5 or more years. I didn't see a single post around the internet that said "Don't pick Flagg we hate him" or something like that.

You have to understand that until Nico is with Mavs, fans will be pissed off. You see trucks around Dallas having their license plates named "Fire Nico" or murals with the same writing on them. All in all, getting Flagg was some kind of a miracle, if we can call it like that, but at the end of the day Nico has done an unthinkable thing to this team.

Go tell Dirk to stop pouting and get back to Mavs games if you dare :D ... Yeah, it's that bad, but has nothing to do with the players or Flagg himself. And this is why some posters here still can't understand why 99% of Mavs fanbase is unhappy, it's not the team, it's the people in the background.


I'm still unhappy with Harrison as well, I want him fired asap but I dont get the sense of these kind of posts, I saw so many people on that pathetic sub **** on Flagg just because he has been drafted by this FO. That's disgusting.
I just hope fans won't bring all of this negativity at the AAC, cause that would affect players and they don't deserve to play in a toxic environment.


Flag is in really strange situation. People are saying how lucky he's to be drafted in a team with a good roster. I don't see like that. Expectations about him are totally unrealistic, especially in a good team and especially in Mavs, who want new Luka. Kidd saying that he will play point makes that even worse. Flagg is a 4, who will play 3 and has no handles to play point. Flagg will force too much. Unlike rookie Luka, he didn't play a serious professional game yet, things can go bad very fast. His main advantage in college was his already developed body, that advantage is gone in Nba. He would be better off, if he was drafted in a team like Wemby with no expectations for first season.

Mavs should have immediately start to built team around him and get young interesting players for AD and Kyrie when they still can. Few more injuries and AD's and Kyrie's contract will be negative.

Do you think Flagg would have been better off being drafted by a team like Charlotte or Washington? Would he have a better career projection if he had been drafted by the Hornets or Wizards, in your opinion?
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Post#1842 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:02 pm

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arkuo wrote:I think there is a clear difference. Most unhappy Mavs fans on Realgm are from Europe (most not all). What that means I don't know. But just an observation. But a lot of unhappy Europeans right now. LOL


Europeans are usually fans of the team, not just of the players.
Here clubs are considered bigger than players, even fodder club fans won't change team based on where their former best player goes.


What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.
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Post#1843 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:06 pm

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I think you're severely overreacting. Mavs fanbase is unhappy with Nico because this team would have a top3 MVP candidate in his prime and perfect players built around him. Nico decided to postpone that for the next like 5 or more years. I didn't see a single post around the internet that said "Don't pick Flagg we hate him" or something like that.

You have to understand that until Nico is with Mavs, fans will be pissed off. You see trucks around Dallas having their license plates named "Fire Nico" or murals with the same writing on them. All in all, getting Flagg was some kind of a miracle, if we can call it like that, but at the end of the day Nico has done an unthinkable thing to this team.

Go tell Dirk to stop pouting and get back to Mavs games if you dare :D ... Yeah, it's that bad, but has nothing to do with the players or Flagg himself. And this is why some posters here still can't understand why 99% of Mavs fanbase is unhappy, it's not the team, it's the people in the background.

First off there is not a large amount of fans in Dallas still screaming “Fire Nico”. You may get 1 or 2 people (probably even the same guy) at an event saying that. Just because you saw 1 guy on Twitter with that plate doesn’t mean there are thousands of people in Dallas with that license plate.

As for Dirk, he isn’t constantly crying that Luka got traded. He did what I suggested a couple of fans here should do and that’s just step away from basketball for a little while if you hate what the Mavs are doing. Why put yourself through such anguish and turmoil? When the team starts contending again Dirk will be welcomed back. No hard feelings if you step away for a while.


Team's legend stepping away looks normal to you? Are you saying that Dirk is just a fan? I wonder if his statue should step away too?

Why would they remove the statue? His career and legacy is pet of the history of the team. And Dirk is not currently an employee of the team. If he doesn’t like the way the Mavs are doing business he’s free to step away from the team for a while. He will be welcomed back when he’s ready to be around the team again.
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Post#1844 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:08 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:I'm nowhere near knowledgeable or aware enough to tell fans how to fan, I personally find the sight of Nico Harrison revolting, I, as a normal human being who's appalled by seeing injustice in general and a Mavs fan, was disgusted not by the trade itself, but by every manner the Dallas Maverick organization, ownership and FO, handled it, from the disgraceful press conference in Celveland, to smearing Luka on the way out, antagonizing fans who were shocked by the trade, the Soviet like crack down on voicing displeasure, the Orwellian erasing of his name from the arena, to hiding for months until the exit interviews.
I despise insulting my intelligence by claiming Cooper Flagg was part of their vision.
I devoured every piece of information, and still saw nothing, absolutely nothing, that justifies the trade, let alone what they did afterwards, I wish Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont to go to the dust bin of history where they belong.
As for the players, I will never be able to root for Anthony Davis, it's not his fault, but I disliked him before and dislike him even more now, but I will root for everyone else on the team, fully aware it wasn't their fault, and many of them were screwed by it even more than us fans, namely PJ and DLive.


I honestly don't get your post as a whole tbh, I've never said that Mavs fans should embrace Harrison vision nor I justified that trade.
But at this juncture what's the point of dwelling on the past? I honestly don't get it, we can't change what has already happened and owner doesn't give a damn about us and what we want.
Basically Mavs fans are just shooting themselves on the foot.
All the tears and drama won't bring Luka back, just saying.

People will move on at their pace, and IMO, people should never forget Nico Harrison is a scumbag, and should root for his ousting, how each strives to do this is his own decision.
I think the people of Dallas handled it with dignity and showed Luka they appreciate him, and will continue to do so, I wouldn't call their behaviour toxicity, they never badmouthed ot booed any of the players, to the contrary, they cheered them and emraced them, including AD.


Well, my rant is about the people on the internet, not the people of Dallas.

Is it really too much to ask fans to be objective and unbiased? Because that was the main point of my post that somehow you and my follow 41Dirk41 missed.

Also is it an hard task to put aside all the toxicity and negativity and focus on the good of the team? I mean, everyone on Planet Earth knows that Harrison is a piece of ****, if he had made any more stupid moves this offseason, then I would have understood and supported criticisms and hostility towards the FO. But that's not the case cause objectively it has been a nice offseason.
It's pointless to keep complaining about what happened 6 freaking months ago, it's a futile exercise and just a waste of time.
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Post#1845 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:08 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Dirk is more Mavs fans than all of us together.

Even Dirk is not bigger than the team though. Is he beloved in Dallas and amongst the fanbase? Sure he is. Is he bigger than the team though? Not by a mile.
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Post#1846 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:10 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
arkuo wrote:I think there is a clear difference. Most unhappy Mavs fans on Realgm are from Europe (most not all). What that means I don't know. But just an observation. But a lot of unhappy Europeans right now. LOL


Europeans are usually fans of the team, not just of the players.
Here clubs are considered bigger than players, even fodder club fans won't change team based on where their former best player goes.


What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.

What if they ended up with a rookie Messi to replace him? Would all of the fans have abandoned the team? Doubtful.
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Post#1847 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:16 pm

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ACMFFL wrote:
I'm still unhappy with Harrison as well, I want him fired asap but I dont get the sense of these kind of posts, I saw so many people on that pathetic sub **** on Flagg just because he has been drafted by this FO. That's disgusting.
I just hope fans won't bring all of this negativity at the AAC, cause that would affect players and they don't deserve to play in a toxic environment.


Flag is in really strange situation. People are saying how lucky he's to be drafted in a team with a good roster. I don't see like that. Expectations about him are totally unrealistic, especially in a good team and especially in Mavs, who want new Luka. Kidd saying that he will play point makes that even worse. Flagg is a 4, who will play 3 and has no handles to play point. Flagg will force too much. Unlike rookie Luka, he didn't play a serious professional game yet, things can go bad very fast. His main advantage in college was his already developed body, that advantage is gone in Nba. He would be better off, if he was drafted in a team like Wemby with no expectations for first season.

Mavs should have immediately start to built team around him and get young interesting players for AD and Kyrie when they still can. Few more injuries and AD's and Kyrie's contract will be negative.

Do you think Flagg would have been better off being drafted by a team like Charlotte or Washington? Would he have a better career projection if he had been drafted by the Hornets or Wizards, in your opinion?


If he really is generational prospect, then yes. LeBron and MJ didn't need to be drafted in title contenders to become 2 of the greatest players of all time. Difficult environment made them great.

If Flagg is not generational talent, which seems far more likely, then coming in good team can make career easier for him, but people will want to see the hype eventually and it's kinda difficult to develop as first option of the contender, if you're not the first option first 3 or 4 years of your career. Yes talking about his D sounds sexy at the moment, but his D will not worth much, if he wouldn't be able to be great offensive player every single night too. Those hyped players get free ride first few years but sooner or later people will want something more and that's far easier if you're first option from the beginning.
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Post#1848 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:18 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
arkuo wrote:I think there is a clear difference. Most unhappy Mavs fans on Realgm are from Europe (most not all). What that means I don't know. But just an observation. But a lot of unhappy Europeans right now. LOL


Europeans are usually fans of the team, not just of the players.
Here clubs are considered bigger than players, even fodder club fans won't change team based on where their former best player goes.


What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.


Yeah but in the end they would still have remained Napoli diehard fans, that's what I'm talking about.
A more proper example is if in 1986 Napoli would have sold prime Maradona and then somehow acquired young Baggio (not Dino, Roby xD) Their people is still mad af but it would have helped them to heal the wound and to finally move on.
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Post#1849 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:23 pm

Mr B wrote:
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ACMFFL wrote:
Europeans are usually fans of the team, not just of the players.
Here clubs are considered bigger than players, even fodder club fans won't change team based on where their former best player goes.


What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.

What if they ended up with a rookie Messi to replace him? Would all of the fans have abandoned the team? Doubtful.


City would have been already burned down. And Nico didn't trade Luka for Wemby but for 6 years older constantly injured player. Getting Flagg was a pure luck, they have even tried to make playoffs. :lol:

Btw. Flagg is as opposite player as possible to genius Messi. You can compare Flagg to centre back in football.
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Post#1850 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:28 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Europeans are usually fans of the team, not just of the players.
Here clubs are considered bigger than players, even fodder club fans won't change team based on where their former best player goes.


What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.


Yeah but in the end they would still have remained Napoli diehard fans, that's what I'm talking about.
A more proper example is if in 1986 Napoli would have sold prime Maradona and then somehow acquired young Baggio (not Dino, Roby xD) Their people is still mad af but it would have helped them to heal the wound and to finally move on.


You're Italian if I understand right, I'm sure you agree that in case of selling football star like Luka and getting 6 years older players back, there will be riots and management will step down in a week in Europe. Someone might be even physically assaulted. And after that healing could start. That's the problem in Dallas, people responsible didn't even admit they did something wrong. In Europe they would be crucified by fans, media and common people. They would probably need to change the country. USA is just kindergarten in comparison to Europe. There's no way management can survive **** like that in Europe.

Saying that Mavs fans should chill, because true fans in Europe would have chilled out too is a joke. Yes they would, after murdering everyone responsible.
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Post#1851 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:38 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Archx wrote:
I think you're severely overreacting. Mavs fanbase is unhappy with Nico because this team would have a top3 MVP candidate in his prime and perfect players built around him. Nico decided to postpone that for the next like 5 or more years. I didn't see a single post around the internet that said "Don't pick Flagg we hate him" or something like that.

You have to understand that until Nico is with Mavs, fans will be pissed off. You see trucks around Dallas having their license plates named "Fire Nico" or murals with the same writing on them. All in all, getting Flagg was some kind of a miracle, if we can call it like that, but at the end of the day Nico has done an unthinkable thing to this team.

Go tell Dirk to stop pouting and get back to Mavs games if you dare :D ... Yeah, it's that bad, but has nothing to do with the players or Flagg himself. And this is why some posters here still can't understand why 99% of Mavs fanbase is unhappy, it's not the team, it's the people in the background.


I'm still unhappy with Harrison as well, I want him fired asap but I dont get the sense of these kind of posts, I saw so many people on that pathetic sub **** on Flagg just because he has been drafted by this FO. That's disgusting.
I just hope fans won't bring all of this negativity at the AAC, cause that would affect players and they don't deserve to play in a toxic environment.


Flag is in really strange situation. People are saying how lucky he's to be drafted in a team with a good roster. I don't see like that. Expectations about him are totally unrealistic, especially in a good team and especially in Mavs, who want new Luka. Kidd saying that he will play point makes that even worse. Flagg is a 4, who will play 3 and has no handles to play point. Flagg will force too much. Unlike rookie Luka, he didn't play a serious professional game yet, things can go bad very fast. His main advantage in college was his already developed body, that advantage is gone in Nba. He would be better off, if he was drafted in a team like Wemby with no expectations for first season.

Mavs should have immediately start to built team around him and get young interesting players for AD and Kyrie when they still can. Few more injuries and AD's and Kyrie's contract will be negative.



Imho it's the base case scenario for him to play winning basketball right from the start.
That's another reason why I think Silver send him to Dallas.

Well, actually it's not true that fans expect him to be Luka in his rookie year, what are we even doing here? Ofc people expect him to be and impactful player right away. Kid seems to be built to deal with pression and expectations. His main advantages in college were IQ, skills and versatilità, he aint Zion whose game was based on his physicality.

AD and Kyrie contracts are short, next offseason both are basically expirings. If we are talking about collecting assets, then I definitely agree, but it's a long shot before they turn into negative contracts.
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Post#1852 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:43 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
I'm still unhappy with Harrison as well, I want him fired asap but I dont get the sense of these kind of posts, I saw so many people on that pathetic sub **** on Flagg just because he has been drafted by this FO. That's disgusting.
I just hope fans won't bring all of this negativity at the AAC, cause that would affect players and they don't deserve to play in a toxic environment.


Flag is in really strange situation. People are saying how lucky he's to be drafted in a team with a good roster. I don't see like that. Expectations about him are totally unrealistic, especially in a good team and especially in Mavs, who want new Luka. Kidd saying that he will play point makes that even worse. Flagg is a 4, who will play 3 and has no handles to play point. Flagg will force too much. Unlike rookie Luka, he didn't play a serious professional game yet, things can go bad very fast. His main advantage in college was his already developed body, that advantage is gone in Nba. He would be better off, if he was drafted in a team like Wemby with no expectations for first season.

Mavs should have immediately start to built team around him and get young interesting players for AD and Kyrie when they still can. Few more injuries and AD's and Kyrie's contract will be negative.



Imho it's the base case scenario for him to play winning basketball right from the start.
That's another reason why I think Silver send him to Dallas.

Well, actually it's not true that fans expect him to be Luka in his rookie year, what are we even doing here? Ofc people expect him to be and impactful player right away. Kid seems to be built to deal with pression and expectations. His main advantages in college were IQ, skills and versatilità, he aint Zion whose game was based on his physicality.

AD and Kyrie contracts are short, next offseason both are basically expirings. If we are talking about collecting assets, then I definitely agree, but it's a long shot before they turn into negative contracts.


People expect for him to play point in near future. He didn't show anything to suggest he's capable of that. Yes Kidd has given Giannis the ball in his hands, but Giannis is an athletic freak. Flagg was athletic freak in College, he won't be in Nba.

You can bet AD is getting extension as soon as possible.
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Post#1853 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:45 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
What do you think would have happened in Naples, if Napoli would have traded prime Maradona? Fans would have burned city down.


Yeah but in the end they would still have remained Napoli diehard fans, that's what I'm talking about.
A more proper example is if in 1986 Napoli would have sold prime Maradona and then somehow acquired young Baggio (not Dino, Roby xD) Their people is still mad af but it would have helped them to heal the wound and to finally move on.


You're Italian if I understand right, I'm sure you agree that in case of selling football star like Luka and getting 6 years older players back, there will be riots and management will step down in a week in Europe. Someone might be even physically assaulted. And after that healing could start. That's the problem in Dallas, people responsible didn't even admit they did something wrong. In Europe they would be crucified by fans, media and common people. They would probably need to change the country. USA is just kindergarten in comparison to Europe. There's no way management can survive **** like that in Europe.

Saying that Mavs fans should chill, because true fans in Europe would have chilled out too is a joke. Yes they would, after murdering everyone responsible.


That's why I brought the example of 1986 Maradona (he was 26 at the time) and Roberto Baggio (19 at the time)

Napoli sold Higuain to Juventus some years ago and nothing happened tbh.
Milan sold my childhood hero Sheva for financial reasons and replaced him with Oliveira, nothing happened.
Milan sold Ibra and Thiago Silva at the same time, replaced them with mediocre players, and nothing happened other than people protesting, just like they did in Dallas.
Barca soldi Figo to Real, fans protested but it happened any murder in the city.

Again, I'm talking about the toxicity on the internet, Dallas people had all the rights to protest and be vocal.
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Post#1854 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:50 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Flag is in really strange situation. People are saying how lucky he's to be drafted in a team with a good roster. I don't see like that. Expectations about him are totally unrealistic, especially in a good team and especially in Mavs, who want new Luka. Kidd saying that he will play point makes that even worse. Flagg is a 4, who will play 3 and has no handles to play point. Flagg will force too much. Unlike rookie Luka, he didn't play a serious professional game yet, things can go bad very fast. His main advantage in college was his already developed body, that advantage is gone in Nba. He would be better off, if he was drafted in a team like Wemby with no expectations for first season.

Mavs should have immediately start to built team around him and get young interesting players for AD and Kyrie when they still can. Few more injuries and AD's and Kyrie's contract will be negative.



Imho it's the base case scenario for him to play winning basketball right from the start.
That's another reason why I think Silver send him to Dallas.

Well, actually it's not true that fans expect him to be Luka in his rookie year, what are we even doing here? Ofc people expect him to be and impactful player right away. Kid seems to be built to deal with pression and expectations. His main advantages in college were IQ, skills and versatilità, he aint Zion whose game was based on his physicality.

AD and Kyrie contracts are short, next offseason both are basically expirings. If we are talking about collecting assets, then I definitely agree, but it's a long shot before they turn into negative contracts.


People expect for him to play point in near future. He didn't show anything to suggest he's capable of that. Yes Kidd has given Giannis the ball in his hands, but Giannis is an athletic freak. Flagg was athletic freak in College, he won't be in Nba.

You can bet AD is getting extension as soon as possible.


Was Giannis an athletic freak when he entered the league? Uhm wat?
Jesus Christ we are talking about a 18 years old kid, you're acting like he's a finished product.

That's just your speculation, man. Sorry but I dont give it so much credit.
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Post#1855 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:50 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Yeah but in the end they would still have remained Napoli diehard fans, that's what I'm talking about.
A more proper example is if in 1986 Napoli would have sold prime Maradona and then somehow acquired young Baggio (not Dino, Roby xD) Their people is still mad af but it would have helped them to heal the wound and to finally move on.


You're Italian if I understand right, I'm sure you agree that in case of selling football star like Luka and getting 6 years older players back, there will be riots and management will step down in a week in Europe. Someone might be even physically assaulted. And after that healing could start. That's the problem in Dallas, people responsible didn't even admit they did something wrong. In Europe they would be crucified by fans, media and common people. They would probably need to change the country. USA is just kindergarten in comparison to Europe. There's no way management can survive **** like that in Europe.

Saying that Mavs fans should chill, because true fans in Europe would have chilled out too is a joke. Yes they would, after murdering everyone responsible.


That's why I brought the example of 1986 Maradona (he was 26 at the time) and Roberto Baggio (19 at the time)

Napoli sold Higuain to Juventus some years ago and nothing happened tbh.
Milan sold my childhood hero Sheva for financial reasons and replaced him with Oliveira, nothing happened.
Milan sold Ibra and Thiago Silva at the same time, replaced them with mediocre players, and nothing happened other than people protesting, just like they did in Dallas.
Barca soldi Figo to Real, fans protested but it happened any murder in the city.

Again, I'm talking about the toxicity on the internet, Dallas people had all the rights to protest and be vocal.


We're talking about selling top 3 player in the world and not for record money like it happens in Europe, where btw. players goes where and when they want to go. So it's kinda difficult to be angry on management if players wants to get more money and play in better club. But selling top 3 player in the world, who doesn't want to go anywhere, in his prime and getting back 6 years older player in the last phase of his career.
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Post#1856 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:53 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:

Imho it's the base case scenario for him to play winning basketball right from the start.
That's another reason why I think Silver send him to Dallas.

Well, actually it's not true that fans expect him to be Luka in his rookie year, what are we even doing here? Ofc people expect him to be and impactful player right away. Kid seems to be built to deal with pression and expectations. His main advantages in college were IQ, skills and versatilità, he aint Zion whose game was based on his physicality.

AD and Kyrie contracts are short, next offseason both are basically expirings. If we are talking about collecting assets, then I definitely agree, but it's a long shot before they turn into negative contracts.


People expect for him to play point in near future. He didn't show anything to suggest he's capable of that. Yes Kidd has given Giannis the ball in his hands, but Giannis is an athletic freak. Flagg was athletic freak in College, he won't be in Nba.

You can bet AD is getting extension as soon as possible.


Was Giannis an athletic freak when he entered the league? Uhm wat?
Jesus Christ we are talking about a 18 years old kid, you're acting like he's a finished product.

That's just your speculation, man. Sorry but I dont give it so much credit.


He was athletic freak when Kidd gave him the ball.

So what are expectations for generational talent Flagg in few years time? To play great D and be 3rd option in offense?
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Post#1857 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:56 pm

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You're Italian if I understand right, I'm sure you agree that in case of selling football star like Luka and getting 6 years older players back, there will be riots and management will step down in a week in Europe. Someone might be even physically assaulted. And after that healing could start. That's the problem in Dallas, people responsible didn't even admit they did something wrong. In Europe they would be crucified by fans, media and common people. They would probably need to change the country. USA is just kindergarten in comparison to Europe. There's no way management can survive **** like that in Europe.

Saying that Mavs fans should chill, because true fans in Europe would have chilled out too is a joke. Yes they would, after murdering everyone responsible.


That's why I brought the example of 1986 Maradona (he was 26 at the time) and Roberto Baggio (19 at the time)

Napoli sold Higuain to Juventus some years ago and nothing happened tbh.
Milan sold my childhood hero Sheva for financial reasons and replaced him with Oliveira, nothing happened.
Milan sold Ibra and Thiago Silva at the same time, replaced them with mediocre players, and nothing happened other than people protesting, just like they did in Dallas.
Barca soldi Figo to Real, fans protested but it happened any murder in the city.

Again, I'm talking about the toxicity on the internet, Dallas people had all the rights to protest and be vocal.


We're talking about selling top 3 player in the world and not for record money like it happens in Europe, where btw. players goes where and when they want to go. But selling top 3 player in the world in his prime and getting back 6 years older player in the last phase of his career.


Money doesnt go in fans pockets lol they'd rather swap an established star for a young player than sell players for cash.
In Europe there are contracts too, players cant go where they want, they need to be sold or hit FA. And btw in the 1980's there still wasnt the Bossman law that changed the landscape of football market in Europe.
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Post#1858 » by Mavrelous » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:59 pm

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I honestly don't get your post as a whole tbh, I've never said that Mavs fans should embrace Harrison vision nor I justified that trade.
But at this juncture what's the point of dwelling on the past? I honestly don't get it, we can't change what has already happened and owner doesn't give a damn about us and what we want.
Basically Mavs fans are just shooting themselves on the foot.
All the tears and drama won't bring Luka back, just saying.

People will move on at their pace, and IMO, people should never forget Nico Harrison is a scumbag, and should root for his ousting, how each strives to do this is his own decision.
I think the people of Dallas handled it with dignity and showed Luka they appreciate him, and will continue to do so, I wouldn't call their behaviour toxicity, they never badmouthed ot booed any of the players, to the contrary, they cheered them and emraced them, including AD.


Well, my rant is about the people on the internet, not the people of Dallas.

Is it really too much to ask fans to be objective and unbiased? Because that was the main point of my post that somehow you and my follow 41Dirk41 missed.

Also is it an hard task to put aside all the toxicity and negativity and focus on the good of the team? I mean, everyone on Planet Earth knows that Harrison is a piece of ****, if he had made any more stupid moves this offseason, then I would have understood and supported criticisms and hostility towards the FO. But that's not the case cause objectively it has been a nice offseason.
It's pointless to keep complaining about what happened 6 freaking months ago, it's a futile exercise and just a waste of time.


I don't see the "Fire Nico" everyday here, the board has been discussing Mavs off season, mere mention of Luka getting in shape had some people here flip out, and sorry, Luka will be discussed for the next 20 years in Mavs land, he was very important and he still plays, just like Nash leaving was relitigated 1000 times.
If we really have toxicity problem then I suggest ignoring posts about Luka, if there is no interest, they will die quickly.
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Post#1859 » by ACMFFL » Tue Jul 29, 2025 8:01 pm

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People expect for him to play point in near future. He didn't show anything to suggest he's capable of that. Yes Kidd has given Giannis the ball in his hands, but Giannis is an athletic freak. Flagg was athletic freak in College, he won't be in Nba.

You can bet AD is getting extension as soon as possible.


Was Giannis an athletic freak when he entered the league? Uhm wat?
Jesus Christ we are talking about a 18 years old kid, you're acting like he's a finished product.

That's just your speculation, man. Sorry but I dont give it so much credit.


He was athletic freak when Kidd gave him the ball.

So what are expectations for generational talent Flagg in few years time? To play great D and be 3rd option in offense?


Who knows? Sky's the limit for this kid. Just to make it clear before Luka's biggest fans assault me: no, he ain't Luka, but I still see as an AD/JT level of prospect in him.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap -- 1st page updated on July 1st 

Post#1860 » by Bob8 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 8:02 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
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That's why I brought the example of 1986 Maradona (he was 26 at the time) and Roberto Baggio (19 at the time)

Napoli sold Higuain to Juventus some years ago and nothing happened tbh.
Milan sold my childhood hero Sheva for financial reasons and replaced him with Oliveira, nothing happened.
Milan sold Ibra and Thiago Silva at the same time, replaced them with mediocre players, and nothing happened other than people protesting, just like they did in Dallas.
Barca soldi Figo to Real, fans protested but it happened any murder in the city.

Again, I'm talking about the toxicity on the internet, Dallas people had all the rights to protest and be vocal.


We're talking about selling top 3 player in the world and not for record money like it happens in Europe, where btw. players goes where and when they want to go. But selling top 3 player in the world in his prime and getting back 6 years older player in the last phase of his career.


Money doesnt go in fans pockets lol they'd rather swap an established star for a young player than sell players for cash.
In Europe there are contracts too, players cant go where they want, they need to be sold or hit FA. And btw in the 1980's there still wasnt the Bossman law that changed the landscape of football market in Europe.


I don't understand what happened in 86 with Maradona? He was in Napoli then and stayed in Napoli. I'm sure Naples would have burned, if they sold him then.

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