Mike Conley

[Pinkyring]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

[daoneandonly]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

Feel free to post something on the General board to see who's the more desirable FA Howard or Conley, I guarantee you the votes for Howard would be maybe you and 3 (at most) other people. He's done and is toxic, which screams stay away from me. And clearly you don't know Conley if you think he's the same as D-Will, Williams in incapable of having 2 straight good games.

[Pinkyring]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

Feel free to post something on the General board to see who's the more desirable FA Howard or Conley, I guarantee you the votes for Howard would be maybe you and 3 (at most) other people. He's done and is toxic, which screams stay away from me. And clearly you don't know Conley if you think he's the same as D-Will, Williams in incapable of having 2 straight good games.

14-12-2 on 62 percent shooting is done to you..... got it.

[daoneandonly]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

Feel free to post something on the General board to see who's the more desirable FA Howard or Conley, I guarantee you the votes for Howard would be maybe you and 3 (at most) other people. He's done and is toxic, which screams stay away from me. And clearly you don't know Conley if you think he's the same as D-Will, Williams in incapable of having 2 straight good games.

14-12-2 on 62 percent shooting is done to you..... got it.

He gets worse each year yet his ego is the same. He left on bad terms for every team he played on, yeah that's done to me. And nice rounding up on every figure, he's below those averages in all 3, so 13.7 11.7 1.5 are not max worthy when it also comes with a bad attitude and bad back.

[Pinkyring]

Those are standard math principles sir, non the less i never said max howard anywhere, the point about his baggage is fair, nonetheless anyone with any basketball knowledge would tell you howard is wayyyyy more valuable than conley and its not even close. Again injuries and attitude, i get it, buf if we are speaking on what they go to impact a game, dwight is far more important particulary on this team. I said id pay conley but not if it doesnt come with a center. He doesnt put butts in seats and he'll never dominate a game. You probably hsvent seen one grizz game and you said damn conley is dominating, he's a role player, same as parsons and derozen and a lot of the other "max guys"

[daoneandonly]

Those are standard math principles sir, non the less i never said max howard anywhere, the point about his baggage is fair, nonetheless anyone with any basketball knowledge would tell you howard is wayyyyy more valuable than conley and its not even close. Again injuries and attitude, i get it, buf if we are speaking on what they go to impact a game, dwight is far more important particulary on this team. I said id pay conley but not if it doesnt come with a center. He doesnt put butts in seats and he'll never dominate a game. You probably hsvent seen one grizz game and you said damn conley is dominating, he's a role player, same as parsons and derozen and a lot of the other "max guys"

I don't watch much Grizz games true, but I know enough to know he is a unselfish pass first pg that makes his teammates better, not to mention he's considered one of the best defensive pg's in the game, last time we had that we won a title. Granted Chandler was a huge part of that so your point about needing a Center is valid, but Howard is not that person given his demands and baggage. And if that leaves us with D-Will and/or Dragic, this team won't be any better than last year's mess.

[Pinkyring]

Those are standard math principles sir, non the less i never said max howard anywhere, the point about his baggage is fair, nonetheless anyone with any basketball knowledge would tell you howard is wayyyyy more valuable than conley and its not even close. Again injuries and attitude, i get it, buf if we are speaking on what they go to impact a game, dwight is far more important particulary on this team. I said id pay conley but not if it doesnt come with a center. He doesnt put butts in seats and he'll never dominate a game. You probably hsvent seen one grizz game and you said damn conley is dominating, he's a role player, same as parsons and derozen and a lot of the other "max guys"

if you think conley makes guys better you dont watchbany grizzles basketball, if we max him and dont get anyone else we will be a lotto team

I don't watch much Grizz games true, but I know enough to know he is a unselfish pass first pg that makes his teammates better, not to mention he's considered one of the best defensive pg's in the game, last time we had that we won a title. Granted Chandler was a huge part of that so your point about needing a Center is valid, but Howard is not that person given his demands and baggage. And if that leaves us with D-Will and/or Dragic, this team won't be any better than last year's mess.

[daoneandonly]

Those are standard math principles sir, non the less i never said max howard anywhere, the point about his baggage is fair, nonetheless anyone with any basketball knowledge would tell you howard is wayyyyy more valuable than conley and its not even close. Again injuries and attitude, i get it, buf if we are speaking on what they go to impact a game, dwight is far more important particulary on this team. I said id pay conley but not if it doesnt come with a center. He doesnt put butts in seats and he'll never dominate a game. You probably hsvent seen one grizz game and you said damn conley is dominating, he's a role player, same as parsons and derozen and a lot of the other "max guys"

if you think conley makes guys better you dont watchbany grizzles basketball, if we max him and dont get anyone else we will be a lotto team

I don't watch much Grizz games true, but I know enough to know he is a unselfish pass first pg that makes his teammates better, not to mention he's considered one of the best defensive pg's in the game, last time we had that we won a title. Granted Chandler was a huge part of that so your point about needing a Center is valid, but Howard is not that person given his demands and baggage. And if that leaves us with D-Will and/or Dragic, this team won't be any better than last year's mess.

Not sure if you meant to reply bud? Not seeing anything...

[fuller4379]

At his age I don't think he will pass up the $153 million if the Grizzlies offer it to him. I don't see anyone offering him $40 million in 4 years if he turns down that 5th year.

[Mr B]

At his age I don't think he will pass up the $153 million if the Grizzlies offer it to him. I don't see anyone offering him $40 million in 4 years if he turns down that 5th year.

Yea it will definitely be hard for him to pass that up. The hope is that he feels he's made a ton of money already. Also he doesn't seem to be cut from the Kobe/DWade cloth, in the sense that he's not ALL about the money. From what I've read/heard his dad is his agent. His dad also only has like 3 clients.

He's looking for a place he can obviously start. And he's looking for a club that has stability. That last part gives the edge to the Mavs (especially when you factor in Carlisle). Memphis is in the process of being sold so no one exactly which direction the new owners will want to take the franchise. In S.A. Tony Parker is still the starter and technically still in his prime (or at least at the back end of it). It's really all about how bad does he want the money. Will the Spurs even be able to max him out?

[Devassa]

At his age I don't think he will pass up the $153 million if the Grizzlies offer it to him. I don't see anyone offering him $40 million in 4 years if he turns down that 5th year.

In an era where Joakim Noah and Dwight Howard get max contracts on the downward slopes in their career, Conley will surely get a sizable contract again after this next one. Not to mention the spike in salary cap numbers by that time.. Money won't be an issue now or then for him... I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the 4th year a player option though, just in case

[Darren]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

Feel free to post something on the General board to see who's the more desirable FA Howard or Conley, I guarantee you the votes for Howard would be maybe you and 3 (at most) other people. He's done and is toxic, which screams stay away from me. And clearly you don't know Conley if you think he's the same as D-Will, Williams in incapable of having 2 straight good games.

14-12-2 on 62 percent shooting is done to you..... got it.

17.5 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.4 SPG, 0.3 BPG on 45-36-83 shooting per 36 minutes as only a third option.
Is it really bad at all?

Besides CP3, Uncle Drew, Westbrook, Curry, there ain't many PG getting better number.
2-wayed players are rare. Not being a liability from outside are rare, too.
You have to respect that.

With the restructured cap, it is probably the price for him and other similar or even less players.

[ejs1997]

Per Stein:

One well-placed source insists SA free agent interest in Conley is overstated.


Looks like Mavs vs Grizz on this.

[Darren]

Those are standard math principles sir, non the less i never said max howard anywhere, the point about his baggage is fair, nonetheless anyone with any basketball knowledge would tell you howard is wayyyyy more valuable than conley and its not even close. Again injuries and attitude, i get it, buf if we are speaking on what they go to impact a game, dwight is far more important particulary on this team. I said id pay conley but not if it doesnt come with a center. He doesnt put butts in seats and he'll never dominate a game. You probably hsvent seen one grizz game and you said damn conley is dominating, he's a role player, same as parsons and derozen and a lot of the other "max guys"

Are you Dwight Howard? You seem to adovate a 30M Max signing for him.

[Mr B]

Per Stein:

One well-placed source insists SA free agent interest in Conley is overstated.


Looks like Mavs vs Grizz on this.

San Antonio would have give up a lot to be able to fit Conley under the cap. The fact that Tim Duncan just opted in makes me think they are not going that strong for Conley. They definitely wouldn't want to pay him the max. I do definitely believe it will come down between the Mavs and Grizz. Grizz still have the advantage in my opinion.

[k-lynch201]

Per Stein:

One well-placed source insists SA free agent interest in Conley is overstated.


Looks like Mavs vs Grizz on this.

I recall last summer it was 'Mavs vs Clippers'

And we all know how that ended up...

Granted Conley has a mind of his own unlike DJ, that 5th year will be an issue for us..lets hope Carlisle plays a big role in this.

[Devassa]

Per Stein:

One well-placed source insists SA free agent interest in Conley is overstated.


Looks like Mavs vs Grizz on this.

I recall last summer it was 'Mavs vs Clippers'

And we all know how that ended up...

Granted Conley has a mind of his own unlike DJ, that 5th year will be an issue for us..lets hope Carlisle plays a big role in this.

I think there are a number of factors when it comes to Conley that actually away him away from resigning with Memphis.. Dallas is a much larger market, we have no state tax, they drafted a PG pretty high in the draft, and maybe most importantly- they have a rookie coach compared to us having one of the GOATs.

[Pinkyring]

Unless conley is really worried about injury the fifth year shouldn't matter as he will be 33 going on 34 when that contract ends, smart play for him would be a 3 year with a player option for year 4 so he can hit the market to cash in again at 31

[mrmreg]

Do we really want to pay a guy 26m for 15 and 6? Thats just a waste of cap, now again if we pair an impact center and dump barea then im for it, beyond that, you dont build a team around conley period, hes at best the 10th best pg in basketball

Feel free to post something on the General board to see who's the more desirable FA Howard or Conley, I guarantee you the votes for Howard would be maybe you and 3 (at most) other people. He's done and is toxic, which screams stay away from me. And clearly you don't know Conley if you think he's the same as D-Will, Williams in incapable of having 2 straight good games.

Conley more desirable for sure, but let me ask this: If they sign Conley, is he the PG the next time this team is a legit contender? If so, what does that path look like? How are they acquiring the next superstar during the few years Conley is still decent?

Not sure how others feel, but young guys with upside are the only thing that's going to make me tune back in. Signing 30ish FAs only leads to the battle for sustained mediocrity and prevents the likelihood of finding the next stud to carry the franchise.

Best hope IMO is they go after these guys and lose out, meanwhile Parsons signs elsewhere leaving the Mavs with nothing and Dirk goes and chases a ring in Golden State. Mavs should sign every promising summer league guy to try to find one useable young gem. Play Justin Anderson and AJ Hammons big minutes. Let Wes take high volume shots to up his stats/confidence. End up with a nice high pick next year.

[ejs1997]

Per Stein:

One well-placed source insists SA free agent interest in Conley is overstated.


Looks like Mavs vs Grizz on this.

I recall last summer it was 'Mavs vs Clippers'

And we all know how that ended up...

Granted Conley has a mind of his own unlike DJ, that 5th year will be an issue for us..lets hope Carlisle plays a big role in this.

True but the city and talent were much better in LA. The Grizz don't have anything outside of Gasol.