Harrison Barnes

[Darren]

If harrison barnes is on this roster next year I'm out as a fan, i dont like parsons much but he's a lot better than barnes, to pay a 12 and five scrub with a 12 per 25 million is a joke

He's less versatile but he's more two-wayed players. He doesn't deserve 24M per. I am looking for GSW matching him as well. It's just the random strategy of Mark to keep powder dry. They are still talking to some young legs. I bet it's just backup plan to some backup plans. Personally, I am okay with Harrison Barnes. But not overly happy if we do end up with him.

[bran muffin]

Well Parsons got the same and if I had to choose between Barnes and Parsons I'd pick Barnes.

I'd pick Barnes too. Parsons may be better offensive player, but his constant injuries make him too much a risk for a 4-year max.

[daoneandonly]

Hideous, why not go after Eric Gordon? A better player for much less? Our FO sucks, we have no PG or C and we extend a max offer to the single reason GS did not win the finals. So freakin annoyed.

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[Darren]

Hideous, why not go after Eric Gordon? A better player for much less? Our FO sucks, we have no PG or C and we extend a max offer to the single reason GS did not win the finals. So freakin annoyed.

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They want young player. Barnes is 24. That's all.

[Dirk]

Hideous, why not go after Eric Gordon? A better player for much less? Our FO sucks, we have no PG or C and we extend a max offer to the single reason GS did not win the finals. So freakin annoyed.

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Gordon signed for a very fair deal. So yeah, I wouldn't mind that deal if the Mavs aren't "tanking". But... there's a reason why the front office goes for Barnes and not Gordon. Barnes is still young (24) and has been durable. Barnes also fills the SF spot and can play PF, a better fit.

Now, as to the Parsons vs Barnes comparisons, I have yet to see anyone convince me that Barnes is better than Parsons. Parsons is so much better than Barnes on offense, it's not close. Defensively, in GS, it's always Green and Thompson and Iguodala doing the heavy work. Barnes just basically is there to not screw things up. And I didn't see much that made me excited that he would make a jump.

Regularized Adjusted Plus-Minus

RAPM 2015/2016
Harrison Barnes
O: -0.07 D: -0.28 Overall: -0.36

Parsons
O: 0.13 D: 0.33 Overall: 0.46

Multiyear:
Harrison Barnes -1.47 0.03 -1.44
Chandler Parsons 1.36 0.75 2.11

Parsons actually ranks out better than Barnes.

There's a fair point about age and injuries. Barnes should also be more athletic and stronger we would hope, especially on defense with the ability to switch on different body types. As I wrote yesterday, there are a ton of contracts now (and there will be more next year) that will feel "horrible", when that happens, our mentality has to shift and focus on the reality that this is the new market value for these players. So I am just hoping that if the Warriors don't match, Barnes doesn't totally bust.

[daoneandonly]

Say GS doesnt match, who exactly are our PG and C? I'll vomit if its D Will or Felton and Zaza

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[Darren]

Marreese Speights, 6-10, 28 year's old.
Averages 22.2 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.5 BPG, 0.8 SPG per 36 mins with 38.7% from the arc.

Festus Ezeli, 6-11, 26 year's old.
Averages 15.0 PPG, 12 RPG, 2.3 BPG per 36mins.

If Ian Mahinmi and Ryan Anderson get 16M and 20M per respectively, no question both should get much
higher pay than that. What's the reasonable expectation for them?

As a comparison, Salah Merji averages 11.3 PPG, 11.3 RPG, 3.3 BPG. It seems to me that he's enough to offer but he has to improve his efficiency on offensive ends. So I don't think we offer Ezeli. I expect Portland to get serious with him if their attempt to pursuit Pau backfire. However, Speights has been renounced. He's capable playing both frontcourt spot. His ability to space the floor and score effectively is desirable. His defense is respectable as well. At 28, he averages 1.5 BPG, 0.8 SPG per 36 mins. With most teams being settled, it seems to me that we can talk him into the starting center role. Then, we get a flashy guard who can attack the paint effectively. We can still put up a competitive team with or without Harrison Barnes.

Bizarre as he is, he's adequate playoff experience but no team starts talking with him. All teams are waiting on Kevin Durant. He's only 28 year's old. Not old by standard. Seems to be a great professional guys with strong work ethics as well. Why don't we get a skilled players with abundance of playoff experience? The GSW only have 12M left. And he's unrestricted. We can get him at reasonable price.

[Darren]

Another name I would like to put forward is Dion Waiters, an unrestricted free agents. He's respectable jumpshots from the arc. Great athleticism to absorb contacts and score in paint. As OKC are unlikely to match his offer, can we find a creative solution to save the day? At 24, Dion Waiters averages

12.7 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.4 SPG per 36 minutes. If we sign both Speights and Waiters, can we build a team without a true PG? We've done that with Jet before.

[Darren]

Think about it. Both Dirk and Speights average nearly 40% from the arc. That will take interior defender away from paint regularly. Matthews's also respectable from long range at 36%. If we manage to sign 2 combo guards who can held his own (like Dion Waiters) on defense and is respective from beyond the arc. We can have the best spacing on the floor with guards attacking the paints and the bigs doing their damage from the perimeter. If we can somehow find a way to control the tempo, we can build a similar team before Rondo trade.

[Darren]

We won't lose the matchup games with shot blocker like Merji, Hammons as a backup. Anderson is very good attacking the paint as well. And Devin Harris and Jose Barea seems comfortable with much better spacing. We can actually maximize our potential. Is it better than yet again dry powder scheme? Even if we have powder dry, we won't get much attention without cheap building blocks. Yet, this summer shows us that we can at least get big fishes' attention when teams are not prepared for big chasing. Next summer is different. All teams know there're a lot of big fishes out there. Speights and Waiters at reasonable price together with some raw diamonds we train this summer can help us capitalize our strength - Rick Carlisie. Under the new cap, big fishes have higher sacrifice to leave. Even if they leave, they would join stronger franchise. Our only hope rests on some stars agree to team up elsewhere. But are we the most attractive stop then? That being said, building a team to manipulate mismatches is one of our better plan B even if we're in semi-rebuilding route. It's a shame of the franchise if we cannot keep Dirk with a competitive team by the end of his career.

[Darren]

You don't need the freshest and most expensive ingredients to make a good dish. We've one of the greatest chef. Can we put up the right ingredients to cook a main dish? We should take actions quickly. Words are Waiters are closed for a deal with the Kings. He considers homecoming for sixers as well. But Carlisie is the one considered him an all-star. Why not get him quickly? RC's a great plan with him obviously. He's equivalent talent and strong upside compared with Parsons. At 24, he can be part of our long-term plan.

[2011Champs]

In general, I hate making offers to any RFA. This puts Dallas' future in the hands of GSW. Now Dallas has to wait around to make other moves while other SF/PF options sign elsewhere leaving us to end up begging Shawn Marion or Richard Jefferson to come out of retirement.

[Hadley]

In general, I hate making offers to any RFA. This puts Dallas' future in the hands of GSW. Now Dallas has to wait around to make other moves while other SF/PF options sign elsewhere leaving us to end up begging Shawn Marion or Richard Jefferson to come out of retirement.

Dallas knows that GSW will match 99%! KD will sign a 1+1 with OKC and GSW will match everything.

[Darren]

In general, I hate making offers to any RFA. This puts Dallas' future in the hands of GSW. Now Dallas has to wait around to make other moves while other SF/PF options sign elsewhere leaving us to end up begging Shawn Marion or Richard Jefferson to come out of retirement.

Dallas knows that GSW will match 99%! KD will sign a 1+1 with OKC and GSW will match everything.

So we better start talking with Dion Waiters because of that. I love the way he competed during the GSW series. He can even defend the likes of Draymond Green. And he's a PG body despite being a SG. He's respectable jumpshots and can attrack the rim with ease. That's the skillsets we sorely missed last season. I think we should sign him. And find another combo guard with PG skills, for example, Donald Sloan whom we're talking with. Then, we play small ball right. I think we've enough cap room to do so. If GSW doesn't match, then we just sign one of Dion Waiters, Donald Sloan or similar players. But I prefer this one. Basically, we have Merji for defense; Speights for offense. We drive the bigs away from the paint and let two physical combo guard dictate the mismatches. Both of them have respectable jumpers. Dwight Powell can learn a lot from Speights. The latter is the perfect role model who we want the former to be.

C - Salah Merji / Marreese Speights / AJ Hammons / JaVale McGee
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell
SF - Wes Matthews / Justin Anderson / Jeremy Evans
SG - Dion Waiters / Devin Harris
PG - Donald Sloan / Jose Barea

We need two penetrators to create opportunities. So we can drive up our number of 3s made this season. And we get more point in paints as well. I think the duo is interested in the starting role and a chance working with RC. I wonder why we keep Evans, though.

[DallasMFFL]

I love that we are gonna force two teams in the western conference to max out guys that aren't worth maxing. If they match, GS is gonna have a hard time filling out their bench once all their big three get their money.

[Darren]

The more I think about it, the more I find the scenario intriguing with or without Harrison Barnes. When teams sleep on the Mavs, turn their ankles. Dirk can get more rests with his legs. He can operate as far as 3 point range. He doesn't need to run a long distance to get back on defense. Both guards are capable scorers and are getting to foul lines at great rate. He should get enough rest. And we can keep Dirk fresh in clutch time. Both of them are not weak defenders. Matthews can get better look with much better speed and spacing on court with the duo as the opponent SF will likely require to switch as their bigs are driven away from the paint. So we dictate the tempo without a true PG. We can surprise a lot of people who sleep on us. And we do get younger with an excellent young core. We can get 50 win last two seasons because we lack the speed to operate our systems. Both Harris and Barea shows signs of slowing down. Had it not been for Felton, it could be another wasted season. That being said, I am all for spending on backcourt instead of frontcourt depth. If we do sign Barnes, then don't sign Speights but train Powell into that role then. The bigs we had are adequate against nearly all matchup if we don't have trust issue with them. If athletic centers like Ezeli requires 18M per, we'd much better off finds backcourts with cap space and look for undrafted players for frontcourt depth, if needed. You know, athletic centers do not have much upside and are likely slowed down due to injuries. Meanwhile, backcourts are more crafty and are more important in RC's system.

[dirkules_41]

What backcourt players do you want to find, Darren? The market looks pretty drained at this stage.

[Mr B]

Hideous, why not go after Eric Gordon? A better player for much less? Our FO sucks, we have no PG or C and we extend a max offer to the single reason GS did not win the finals. So freakin annoyed.

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Gordon signed for a very fair deal. So yeah, I wouldn't mind that deal if the Mavs aren't "tanking". But... there's a reason why the front office goes for Barnes and not Gordon. Barnes is still young (24) and has been durable. Barnes also fills the SF spot and can play PF, a better fit.

Now, as to the Parsons vs Barnes comparisons, I have yet to see anyone convince me that Barnes is better than Parsons. Parsons is so much better than Barnes on offense, it's not close. Defensively, in GS, it's always Green and Thompson and Iguodala doing the heavy work. Barnes just basically is there to not screw things up. And I didn't see much that made me excited that he would make a jump.

Regularized Adjusted Plus-Minus

RAPM 2015/2016
Harrison Barnes
O: -0.07 D: -0.28 Overall: -0.36

Parsons
O: 0.13 D: 0.33 Overall: 0.46

Multiyear:
Harrison Barnes -1.47 0.03 -1.44
Chandler Parsons 1.36 0.75 2.11

Parsons actually ranks out better than Barnes.

There's a fair point about age and injuries. Barnes should also be more athletic and stronger we would hope, especially on defense with the ability to switch on different body types. As I wrote yesterday, there are a ton of contracts now (and there will be more next year) that will feel "horrible", when that happens, our mentality has to shift and focus on the reality that this is the new market value for these players. So I am just hoping that if the Warriors don't match, Barnes doesn't totally bust.

Their averages are not that far off from each other. And that was with Barnes coming off the bench and being at best a 4th option on that GS team. Would he do better with Carlisle as his head coach and with heavier minutes? Here he would be the second option on offense. Parsons was the second option on offense and played starters minutes and barely put up better numbers than Barnes. Is Barnes better than Parsons right now? No, but he is only 24 and isn't injury prone. He was also a top 10 pick. Barnes could develop the way Brandan Wright did (who was also a lottery pick that was cast off by GS) and become a real player here.

[Absinthe]

He absolutely sucked in the playoffs and it's a big reason why the Cavs won. He stunk it up. But I would still rather have him because I'd rather max someone who actually plays rather than maxing someone who is a cheerleader in street clothes.

[Mr B]

He absolutely sucked in the playoffs and it's a big reason why the Cavs won. He stunk it up. But I would still rather have him because I'd rather max someone who actually plays rather than maxing someone who is a cheerleader in street clothes.

Barnes actually played really well all season (and last season) and for most of the playoffs. He even played well in the first 3 games of the Finals. It wasn't until the last 4 games that he kind of **** the bed.