Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[peppersquared]

I don't know the cba like I use too.

Possible to trade Bogut to a contender for a 1? Dwill?

[Hadley]

I don't know the cba like I use too.

Possible to trade Bogut to a contender for a 1? Dwill?

If you sign someone in FA its Mid-December and when you trade for someone its 30 or 90 days, not sure. But probably Mid-December, but why would you do that? Its not like we need more Talent and Bogut is a expiring Contract, so no reason to trade him unless he plays too well.

[Jinra]

Been coming to this board for 15 years and it's the first year we know we're going to have a high pick.

I suspect that dirk, Carlisle, Barnes, will keep us from having a top 5. I bet it's around 7-9. Maybe Wes will make it around 5 or so.

I'm excited. Feel bad for dirk. Don't want him to go out like KG. Irrelevant

Yeah, but it is Dirk's own fault. He should retire. He is handcuffing this team. They can't focus on the future of this team and they can't stop making decisions without him being the centerpiece.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for Dirk. I'm a big fan, but the team comes before the past-his-prime-superstar.

[2011Champs]

Been coming to this board for 15 years and it's the first year we know we're going to have a high pick.

I suspect that dirk, Carlisle, Barnes, will keep us from having a top 5. I bet it's around 7-9. Maybe Wes will make it around 5 or so.

I'm excited. Feel bad for dirk. Don't want him to go out like KG. Irrelevant

Yeah, but it is Dirk's own fault. He should retire. He is handcuffing this team. They can't focus on the future of this team and they can't stop making decisions without him being the centerpiece.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for Dirk. I'm a big fan, but the team comes before the past-his-prime-superstar.

Well some of the blame goes on coaching staff also. I don't see a problem with Dirk playing several more years but he needs to be more of a 9th or 10th man coming off the bench. He should be a part of the franchise and continue playing as long as he can but his role does need to be reduced to fit someone of his age.

Just like Dak earned the starting QB role for the Cowboys, Barnes has earned the starting PF role here in Dallas. Its time for Dirk to thrive as a 12-18minute backup. I would rather have 3 more years of Dirk the mentor on the bench than one last year of him being a part time starter/part time injured.

[Lord Cuban]

Markelle Fultz

Strengths:
A 6’5 combo guard with elite level skills and athleticism … Has ideal size and length for the position. Good athleticism and a solid body ... Lightning quick first step and changes directions extremely well ... Creativity is one of his trademarks ... Solid leaping ability especially off of one foot. Extremely agile with standout body control ... Attacks gaps in the defense and takes it hard to the rim with aggression. Finishes well through contact. Good slashing ability. Gets where he wants off the dribble and uses screens well … Good court vision and passing ability ... Can score for himself as well as make plays for others ... Very streaky. Has the ability to heat up quickly and go on big runs ... Good pull up jump shot from three … Plays well in transition, using his imagination and creativity well … Draws fouls and gets to the free throw line with ease … Can fill up the stat sheet in all categories ... Rebounds and blocks shots well for a guard … Tough and willing defender; shows great potential with his size, length, and quickness ... Anticipates and jumps passing lanes … Plays with great confidence … A competitor ...

Weaknesses:
Jump shot has improved and he can fill it up from outside but is a bit of a streaky shooter ... For a guard with a scoring mentality, he has room to become more consistent … Doesn’t score much from midrange at this point, usually all three pointers or getting all the way to the rim ... Good at challenging the defense at the rim but doesn’t show much of a floater … Hits difficult shots but should look to improve his shot selection at the next level … Has added some strength to his body but his legs could still stand to add strength ... Has a star quality and attitude but will need to continue to develop his leadership abilities ...

Outlook:
Fultz is entering his freshman season at Washington. A late bloomer who played junior varsity as a high school sophomore, but blossomed into one of the top prospects in the 2017 draft class. Fultz earned MVP of the FIBA Americas Championship in Chile to earn gold averaging 13.8 points, four rebounds, 5.2 assists, and 3.2 steals per game while shooting 54.7% from the field.

NBA Comparison: Dwyane Wade/CJ McCollum/Brandon Roy

From: http://www.nbadraft.net/players/markelle-fultz

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[Darren]

Been coming to this board for 15 years and it's the first year we know we're going to have a high pick.

I suspect that dirk, Carlisle, Barnes, will keep us from having a top 5. I bet it's around 7-9. Maybe Wes will make it around 5 or so.

I'm excited. Feel bad for dirk. Don't want him to go out like KG. Irrelevant

Yeah, but it is Dirk's own fault. He should retire. He is handcuffing this team. They can't focus on the future of this team and they can't stop making decisions without him being the centerpiece.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for Dirk. I'm a big fan, but the team comes before the past-his-prime-superstar.

Quite clearly, it's Matthews' unforseeable drop in production brings about the results. I don't like the deal with Powell. And now we pay the price for it. I am sure I'd take Dion Waitor or Tim Fitzer over Seth Curry. Harrison Barnes surprises us somewhat. We could be even worser in my opinion.

But that's how things work out. By the way, I don't get the Justin Anderson's struggle. What has happened to him? He doesn't seem to be as passionated as he was last season. His defense is all about size. But it takes a lot more to guard elite offensive players.

[Pointguard01]

Been coming to this board for 15 years and it's the first year we know we're going to have a high pick.

I suspect that dirk, Carlisle, Barnes, will keep us from having a top 5. I bet it's around 7-9. Maybe Wes will make it around 5 or so.

I'm excited. Feel bad for dirk. Don't want him to go out like KG. Irrelevant

Yeah, but it is Dirk's own fault. He should retire. He is handcuffing this team. They can't focus on the future of this team and they can't stop making decisions without him being the centerpiece.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for Dirk. I'm a big fan, but the team comes before the past-his-prime-superstar.

Well some of the blame goes on coaching staff also. I don't see a problem with Dirk playing several more years but he needs to be more of a 9th or 10th man coming off the bench. He should be a part of the franchise and continue playing as long as he can but his role does need to be reduced to fit someone of his age.

Just like Dak earned the starting QB role for the Cowboys, Barnes has earned the starting PF role here in Dallas. Its time for Dirk to thrive as a 12-18minute backup. I would rather have 3 more years of Dirk the mentor on the bench than one last year of him being a part time starter/part time injured.

Do we really think Harrison Barnes is our future PF?

I love that he can flex to PF as needed when we go small (and this is the direction of many teams in the NBA), but I still see him as a SF. His handles have shown enough flashes that I think he can be effective as he improves over the next 2-3 years (it's less important that he has the skill now since we aren't going to be relevant for another 2-3 years minimum). His rebounding just isn't good enough to play 30+ minutes at that position.


I am excited about this draft. Everyone is saying that this draft has some great talent, and we are positioning ourselves to get a top 10 pick, which is exciting. It will give me an excuse to watch some CBB.

[Dirk]

Do we really think Harrison Barnes is our future PF?

I love that he can flex to PF as needed when we go small (and this is the direction of many teams in the NBA), but I still see him as a SF. His handles have shown enough flashes that I think he can be effective as he improves over the next 2-3 years (it's less important that he has the skill now since we aren't going to be relevant for another 2-3 years minimum). His rebounding just isn't good enough to play 30+ minutes at that position.

We've just seen that against the Magic. Big team that was punishing the Mavs with their size. Against certain matchups he'll get crushed on the boards.

[Teffer10]

Do we really think Harrison Barnes is our future PF?

I love that he can flex to PF as needed when we go small (and this is the direction of many teams in the NBA), but I still see him as a SF. His handles have shown enough flashes that I think he can be effective as he improves over the next 2-3 years (it's less important that he has the skill now since we aren't going to be relevant for another 2-3 years minimum). His rebounding just isn't good enough to play 30+ minutes at that position.

We've just seen that against the Magic. Big team that was punishing the Mavs with their size. Against certain matchups he'll get crushed on the boards.

I like Barnes in the 3/4 role with him moving to PF after Dirk goes out. Going forward we need to get a starting quality PF who can mussel up with other bigs and then move HB to PF with Anderson at 3 in the right matchups. I think we draft a PG this next year since the lotto will be rich with them and try to find Dirk's replacement through FA or in the following year's draft.
Hoping Cuban can buy a draft pick or trade either Bogut or DWill and get one back at least in the late round 1/early round 2.
We should be able to get a nice player in 2nd round this year too....hopefully a useful one.

[Torgeir Bryn]

The worst thing we could do is trade away this likely top 5 pick for some decent player without any franchise player potential. Specially if it's someone on a/close to demanding a max contract. That will just lock us into a core that might fight for the 8th seed if lucky. Some good young talent is what this team needs, no quick fixes.

[Jinra]

The worst thing we could do is trade away this likely top 5 pick for some decent player without any franchise player potential. Specially if it's someone on a/close to demanding a max contract. That will just lock us into a core that might fight for the 8th seed if lucky. Some good young talent is what this team needs, no quick fixes.

Actually the worse thing would be for Donnie to waste on another Dirk-imitator illusion foreign player. I really think that is why Cubes slammed the door on Donnie trying to get Giannis Antetokounmpo, because every year Donnie pitches a crap load of foreign projects and Cubes finally wised up to this crap.

[Lord Cuban]

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[Chuck Everett]

Can't afford to draft another player who is terrible. If the Mavs get a top 3 pick this needs to be a stud (luckily this draft has a boatload of PG's). No BS, if Nelson drafts another bust, he needs to be fired.

[2011Champs]

Im not going to worry about the draft. Chances are Cuban will trade our pick for someone like Derrick Rose or insert any other has been big name veteran.

[The Sparest]

Can't afford to draft another player who is terrible. If the Mavs get a top 3 pick this needs to be a stud (luckily this draft has a boatload of PG's). No BS, if Nelson drafts another bust, he needs to be fired.

Terrible or with injury concerns. That is why I would pass on Giles or Smith in the top 5. Drool inducing talent, but cringe inducing injuries.

Fultz, Ntilinika, and Ball are at the top of my wish list right now.

[Darren]

Josh seems to be an ideal franchise player. Unfortunately, he's a SF/SG. We could have to clear some jam to make rooms for him.

[Hadley]

Talkin about who will be a franchise player or not is pretty stupid. Nobody knows, its a little crapshoot unless someone like LeBron where you know he is special. I never watched a School Basketball Game in my life but I know there were a few drafts where Player were hyped up to be the next big thing and look at them now (OJ Mayo, Jabari, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors etc).
You just need luck and draft a talented Player with the right Mindset and Workethic!

Fultz could be the next Jonny Flynn as far as we know.

[Jinra]

Talkin about who will be a franchise player or not is pretty stupid. Nobody knows, its a little crapshoot unless someone like LeBron where you know he is special. I never watched a School Basketball Game in my life but I know there were a few drafts where Player were hyped up to be the next big thing and look at them now (OJ Mayo, Jabari, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors etc).
You just need luck and draft a talented Player with the right Mindset and Workethic!

Fultz could be the next Jonny Flynn as far as we know.

Yeah, it has been forced into a crapshoot since kids do not have to stay in school for more than year. You cannot get a read on them.

[The Sparest]

Talkin about who will be a franchise player or not is pretty stupid. Nobody knows, its a little crapshoot unless someone like LeBron where you know he is special. I never watched a School Basketball Game in my life but I know there were a few drafts where Player were hyped up to be the next big thing and look at them now (OJ Mayo, Jabari, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors etc).
You just need luck and draft a talented Player with the right Mindset and Workethic!

Fultz could be the next Jonny Flynn as far as we know.

Yeah, it has been forced into a crapshoot since kids do not have to stay in school for more than year. You cannot get a read on them.

It was a crap shoot even when guys stayed 3 or 4 years. Try to find a NBA draft without a bust (or two) in the top 5 or a 5+ year starter in the second round.

[Jinra]

It was a crap shoot even when guys stayed 3 or 4 years. Try to find a NBA draft without a bust (or two) in the top 5 or a 5+ year starter in the second round.

Oh, definitely in the "good 'ole days" it was a crap shoot because there was not much tape and media on players before technology took off. In those days you had 3-4 years and very little data. Heck, just over the last 10-15 years, we couldn't even see all of the Dallas Maverick's games let alone watch college games to view upcoming talent. Scouts were not able to look at the top 65 most talented players in the US. But as the technology grew, they started to collect way more data on players. But then it got cut back again since players don't want to show their development. Then want to show a bit of flash, get drafted high, and then drain the bank in these contracts.

Perfect example: Carmelo Anthony

1 hot streak in college to get a championship, and his entire NBA career has been irrelevant because he has no real drive to improve.