Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1)

[nzahir]

You guys have Maxi and Powell who can stretch the floor though?

The Mavs already had KP, Maxi, and Powell on the roster when they tried to swing a trade for Olynyk. So they obviously want another stretch big.

I have a feeling that deal was low key hinged on getting Derrick Jones Jr. He's the guy that can dunk from the FT line and plays above the rim.

You see our analytics numbers and how Luka is most effective with a rim runner? This Jones kid can dunk looking down at the rim. He adds a facet to the game that we currently dont have.

If Mcgee accepted his NTC I would send him your way for:

Brunson and Boban? We add a 2nd

Justin Jackson and Boban for Mcgee and Dudley/Daniels. Maybe we get a 2nd?

Mcgee and Dudley for Kleber

[stilldropin20]

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A lot of talk about Powell's positive impact on our ORTg due to his rim running abilities. Tristan Thompson seems like a player who should be able to fill out the roll man-role, too, while also providing an upgrade inside.

'15-'16: 91st percentile as a PnR rollman
'16-'17: 79th percentile as a PnR rollman
17-'18: 81st percentile as a PnR rollman

Then LeBron left CLE and his numbers took a hit:

- '18-'19: 61st percentile as a PnR rollman
- '19-'20: 35th percentile as a PnR rollman

==> Imo his dip here in PnR-plays is explainable and I'd expect him to bounce back to his older numbers quickly once he plays with a better PG than the kids CLE has at that position.

On the boards Thompson has a higher TRB% and his On-Off-numbers on the boards are also a big plus in comparison to Powell.

I think he is the big man-target who makes the most sense a) stylistically and b) should be within our reach asset-wise without depleting our rotation too much. CLE has a high payroll for a lottery squad and he will be an UFA next summer. Seems like an ideal fit as a trade target for the Lee-contract. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick and another minimum-guy to make the numbers work (Broekhoff would be enough) and you should be there already.

PF: Porzingis | Kleber
C: Thompson | Powell

would be a heck of a frontcourt with two good rim runners as well as two floor spacers.

its the alley oop game they have going due to luka being the best creator and passer in the game today and likely since magic.

even if they dont pull it off, the threat of it is making the big cover powell hard instead of hedging. a good heding center would be able to preven luka from getting easy lay up. but right now...defenses cant guard either. luke is either getting easy lay ups or hitting rolling bigs for easy alley oops (something opposing defenses and players HATE to give up because it just makes you look very bad on a poster) . With dwight...who rolls the hardest and jumps the highest...its just and impossible task to defend both him and luka who is a master and reading the defense and executing the read. no one has ever done it better. NO. ONE.

[arkuo]

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A lot of talk about Powell's positive impact on our ORTg due to his rim running abilities. Tristan Thompson seems like a player who should be able to fill out the roll man-role, too, while also providing an upgrade inside.

'15-'16: 91st percentile as a PnR rollman
'16-'17: 79th percentile as a PnR rollman
17-'18: 81st percentile as a PnR rollman

Then LeBron left CLE and his numbers took a hit:

- '18-'19: 61st percentile as a PnR rollman
- '19-'20: 35th percentile as a PnR rollman

==> Imo his dip here in PnR-plays is explainable and I'd expect him to bounce back to his older numbers quickly once he plays with a better PG than the kids CLE has at that position.

On the boards Thompson has a higher TRB% and his On-Off-numbers on the boards are also a big plus in comparison to Powell.

I think he is the big man-target who makes the most sense a) stylistically and b) should be within our reach asset-wise without depleting our rotation too much. CLE has a high payroll for a lottery squad and he will be an UFA next summer. Seems like an ideal fit as a trade target for the Lee-contract. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick and another minimum-guy to make the numbers work (Broekhoff would be enough) and you should be there already.

PF: Porzingis | Kleber
C: Thompson | Powell

would be a heck of a frontcourt with two good rim runners as well as two floor spacers.

its the alley oop game they have going due to luka being the best creator and passer in the game today and likely since magic.

even if they dont pull it off, the threat of it is making the big cover powell hard instead of hedging. a good heding center would be able to preven luka from getting easy lay up. but right now...defenses cant guard either. luke is either getting easy lay ups or hitting rolling bigs for easy alley oops (something opposing defenses and players HATE to give up because it just makes you look very bad on a poster) . With dwight...who rolls the hardest and jumps the highest...its just and impossible task to defend both him and luka who is a master and reading the defense and executing the read. no one has ever done it better. NO. ONE.

In a perfect world, you pair Luka with a Giannis and the game is over. all 29 teams call it quits as early as November.

Giannis takes three freakin hops from the 3 point line to the rim. That P&R action would be insane. So I understand why Cuban is still keeping the tab open for a shot at Giannis in 2021. The numbers says so.

[stilldropin20]

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A lot of talk about Powell's positive impact on our ORTg due to his rim running abilities. Tristan Thompson seems like a player who should be able to fill out the roll man-role, too, while also providing an upgrade inside.

'15-'16: 91st percentile as a PnR rollman
'16-'17: 79th percentile as a PnR rollman
17-'18: 81st percentile as a PnR rollman

Then LeBron left CLE and his numbers took a hit:

- '18-'19: 61st percentile as a PnR rollman
- '19-'20: 35th percentile as a PnR rollman

==> Imo his dip here in PnR-plays is explainable and I'd expect him to bounce back to his older numbers quickly once he plays with a better PG than the kids CLE has at that position.

On the boards Thompson has a higher TRB% and his On-Off-numbers on the boards are also a big plus in comparison to Powell.

I think he is the big man-target who makes the most sense a) stylistically and b) should be within our reach asset-wise without depleting our rotation too much. CLE has a high payroll for a lottery squad and he will be an UFA next summer. Seems like an ideal fit as a trade target for the Lee-contract. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick and another minimum-guy to make the numbers work (Broekhoff would be enough) and you should be there already.

PF: Porzingis | Kleber
C: Thompson | Powell

would be a heck of a frontcourt with two good rim runners as well as two floor spacers.

its the alley oop game they have going due to luka being the best creator and passer in the game today and likely since magic.

even if they dont pull it off, the threat of it is making the big cover powell hard instead of hedging. a good heding center would be able to preven luka from getting easy lay up. but right now...defenses cant guard either. luke is either getting easy lay ups or hitting rolling bigs for easy alley oops (something opposing defenses and players HATE to give up because it just makes you look very bad on a poster) . With dwight...who rolls the hardest and jumps the highest...its just and impossible task to defend both him and luka who is a master and reading the defense and executing the read. no one has ever done it better. NO. ONE.

In a perfect world, you pair Luka with a Giannis and the game is over. all 29 teams call it quits as early as November.

Giannis takes three freakin hops from the 3 point line to the rim. That P&R action would be insane. So I understand why Cuban is still keeping the tab open for a shot at Giannis in 2021. The numbers says so.

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away. dallas has 2 challenges. 1. build a contender. 2. keep a rival (something lebron was always afraid of. Lebron never wanted to go toe to toe with an equal. he always wanted stacked steams. which took away from his own legend and the fun of th egame for the fans. KD is even worse than lebron is that regard. kawhi has even caught that fever.

Which makes Luka the knight in shining armor to save us from this nightmare of super teams.

KP and Luka is enough...just bring in athletic wings that can defend and shoot. a klay type is the ideal top option. an iggy type the next best thing.

[daoneandonly]

its the alley oop game they have going due to luka being the best creator and passer in the game today and likely since magic.

even if they dont pull it off, the threat of it is making the big cover powell hard instead of hedging. a good heding center would be able to preven luka from getting easy lay up. but right now...defenses cant guard either. luke is either getting easy lay ups or hitting rolling bigs for easy alley oops (something opposing defenses and players HATE to give up because it just makes you look very bad on a poster) . With dwight...who rolls the hardest and jumps the highest...its just and impossible task to defend both him and luka who is a master and reading the defense and executing the read. no one has ever done it better. NO. ONE.

In a perfect world, you pair Luka with a Giannis and the game is over. all 29 teams call it quits as early as November.

Giannis takes three freakin hops from the 3 point line to the rim. That P&R action would be insane. So I understand why Cuban is still keeping the tab open for a shot at Giannis in 2021. The numbers says so.

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away. dallas has 2 challenges. 1. build a contender. 2. keep a rival (something lebron was always afraid of. Lebron never wanted to go toe to toe with an equal. he always wanted stacked steams. which took away from his own legend and the fun of th egame for the fans. KD is even worse than lebron is that regard. kawhi has even caught that fever.

Which makes Luka the knight in shining armor to save us from this nightmare of super teams.

KP and Luka is enough...just bring in athletic wings that can defend and shoot. a klay type is the ideal top option. an iggy type the next best thing.

I'd love to have Josh Richardson, I think he can be that guy

[Archx]

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A lot of talk about Powell's positive impact on our ORTg due to his rim running abilities. Tristan Thompson seems like a player who should be able to fill out the roll man-role, too, while also providing an upgrade inside.

'15-'16: 91st percentile as a PnR rollman
'16-'17: 79th percentile as a PnR rollman
17-'18: 81st percentile as a PnR rollman

Then LeBron left CLE and his numbers took a hit:

- '18-'19: 61st percentile as a PnR rollman
- '19-'20: 35th percentile as a PnR rollman

==> Imo his dip here in PnR-plays is explainable and I'd expect him to bounce back to his older numbers quickly once he plays with a better PG than the kids CLE has at that position.

On the boards Thompson has a higher TRB% and his On-Off-numbers on the boards are also a big plus in comparison to Powell.

I think he is the big man-target who makes the most sense a) stylistically and b) should be within our reach asset-wise without depleting our rotation too much. CLE has a high payroll for a lottery squad and he will be an UFA next summer. Seems like an ideal fit as a trade target for the Lee-contract. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick and another minimum-guy to make the numbers work (Broekhoff would be enough) and you should be there already.

PF: Porzingis | Kleber
C: Thompson | Powell

would be a heck of a frontcourt with two good rim runners as well as two floor spacers.

One underrated aspect of Dwight and Maxi's play lately is their perimeter defense. There is a reason why Mavs are playing much better defense in their past few games. I always love it when smaller guys or even wing players get switched on the perimeter and either Maxi or Powell pick them up. They can stay ahead of anyone because of their length and athleticism. I think Maxi and KP are much more valuable to this team than people give them credit for. Powell does have a ton of problems against bigger guys, but when it comes to defending wings in PnR switches, he was really good lately.

[JamesConway]

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A lot of talk about Powell's positive impact on our ORTg due to his rim running abilities. Tristan Thompson seems like a player who should be able to fill out the roll man-role, too, while also providing an upgrade inside.

'15-'16: 91st percentile as a PnR rollman
'16-'17: 79th percentile as a PnR rollman
17-'18: 81st percentile as a PnR rollman

Then LeBron left CLE and his numbers took a hit:

- '18-'19: 61st percentile as a PnR rollman
- '19-'20: 35th percentile as a PnR rollman

==> Imo his dip here in PnR-plays is explainable and I'd expect him to bounce back to his older numbers quickly once he plays with a better PG than the kids CLE has at that position.

On the boards Thompson has a higher TRB% and his On-Off-numbers on the boards are also a big plus in comparison to Powell.

I think he is the big man-target who makes the most sense a) stylistically and b) should be within our reach asset-wise without depleting our rotation too much. CLE has a high payroll for a lottery squad and he will be an UFA next summer. Seems like an ideal fit as a trade target for the Lee-contract. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick and another minimum-guy to make the numbers work (Broekhoff would be enough) and you should be there already.

PF: Porzingis | Kleber
C: Thompson | Powell

would be a heck of a frontcourt with two good rim runners as well as two floor spacers.

One underrated aspect of Dwight and Maxi's play lately is their perimeter defense. There is a reason why Mavs are playing much better defense in their past few games. I always love it when smaller guys or even wing players get switched on the perimeter and either Maxi or Powell pick them up. They can stay ahead of anyone because of their length and athleticism. I think Maxi and KP are much more valuable to this team than people give them credit for. Powell does have a ton of problems against bigger guys, but when it comes to defending wings in PnR switches, he was really good lately.

100% true. I remember Powell's early years here when Carlisle specifically subbed him late in the 4th in switch-heavy lineups where we needed big guys out there who can guard the PnR. He's very good at that which makes the fit with KP so hard to overlook when we're talking about potential additions.

[arkuo]

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away.

I get what you mean. But took the fun away? Screw the fun. I'll take 3 to 4 championship rings if it means not having fun LOOOOL

[arkuo]

I'd love to have Josh Richardson, I think he can be that guy

+1

Philly is capped out with maxes or near maxes going by way of Embiid, Simmons, Horford and Tobias Harris. To have a semblance of a team of 15 people, if they sign Richardson to anything close to a big contact, they can only fill their roster out with vet minimum players.

Richardson has the same agent as Luka, Bill Duffy. And Bill is a very cunning man. He made Luka slither his way to Dallas over Memphis or Atlanta because he knew his client would have a better future in a better managed company. Now with Luka soon to be the new face of the NBA, I think Bill would be smart enough to have his 26 year old client ride that wave. Ala Klay Thompson to Steph.

The only hindrance I can see is if a brother wants to play with a white brother. You know what I mean. It is what it is. But maybe we get some Miami Heat players this summer (Olynyk, Derrick Jones Jr) both of whom are still friends with J-Rich from his Miami days, I'd like to think that can help.

[daoneandonly]

I'd love to have Josh Richardson, I think he can be that guy

+1

Philly is capped out with maxes or near maxes going by way of Embiid, Simmons, Horford and Tobias Harris. To have a semblance of a team of 15 people, if they sign Richardson to anything close to a big contact, they can only fill their roster out with vet minimum players.

Richardson has the same agent as Luka, Bill Duffy. And Bill is a very cunning man. He made Luka slither his way to Dallas over Memphis or Atlanta because he knew his client would have a better future in a better managed company. Now with Luka soon to be the new face of the NBA, I think Bill would be smart enough to have his 26 year old client ride that wave. Ala Klay Thompson to Steph.

The only hindrance I can see is if a brother wants to play with a white brother. You know what I mean. It is what it is. But maybe we get some Miami Heat players this summer (Olynyk, Derrick Jones Jr) both of whom are still friends with J-Rich from his Miami days, I'd like to think that can help.

Yea would have loved to have him now, trade any 2 of Curry, Brunson, Justin jackson, but pretty sure Philly wouldnt bite, and rightfully so

[arkuo]

Anyone know the exact cap space we would have this summer even if THJ opts into his contract?

[Darren]

its the alley oop game they have going due to luka being the best creator and passer in the game today and likely since magic.

even if they dont pull it off, the threat of it is making the big cover powell hard instead of hedging. a good heding center would be able to preven luka from getting easy lay up. but right now...defenses cant guard either. luke is either getting easy lay ups or hitting rolling bigs for easy alley oops (something opposing defenses and players HATE to give up because it just makes you look very bad on a poster) . With dwight...who rolls the hardest and jumps the highest...its just and impossible task to defend both him and luka who is a master and reading the defense and executing the read. no one has ever done it better. NO. ONE.

In a perfect world, you pair Luka with a Giannis and the game is over. all 29 teams call it quits as early as November.

Giannis takes three freakin hops from the 3 point line to the rim. That P&R action would be insane. So I understand why Cuban is still keeping the tab open for a shot at Giannis in 2021. The numbers says so.

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away. dallas has 2 challenges. 1. build a contender. 2. keep a rival (something lebron was always afraid of. Lebron never wanted to go toe to toe with an equal. he always wanted stacked steams. which took away from his own legend and the fun of th egame for the fans. KD is even worse than lebron is that regard. kawhi has even caught that fever.

Which makes Luka the knight in shining armor to save us from this nightmare of super teams.

KP and Luka is enough...just bring in athletic wings that can defend and shoot. a klay type is the ideal top option. an iggy type the next best thing.

I agree somewhat. But 3D players or athletic center should be available in late 1st or early second. I think I'd find the right 2nd / 3rd option instead. The Mavs needs someone make Zinger effective on both end and can actually make clutch shots / key plays. FVV is too skilled and too experienced to be qualified. I don't think Toronto really want to pay 25-30M per to keep FVV. Instead, there's no guarantee that Giannis want to rid of the franchise player status and triple double spotlight afterall. The Mavs could be really wise and make a max slot and run at FVV and find the 3D players and athletic C in FA. Of course, Drummond could be an option. But FVV's UFA status makes decision a lot easier to Mavs faovrs.

[daoneandonly]

In a perfect world, you pair Luka with a Giannis and the game is over. all 29 teams call it quits as early as November.

Giannis takes three freakin hops from the 3 point line to the rim. That P&R action would be insane. So I understand why Cuban is still keeping the tab open for a shot at Giannis in 2021. The numbers says so.

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away. dallas has 2 challenges. 1. build a contender. 2. keep a rival (something lebron was always afraid of. Lebron never wanted to go toe to toe with an equal. he always wanted stacked steams. which took away from his own legend and the fun of th egame for the fans. KD is even worse than lebron is that regard. kawhi has even caught that fever.

Which makes Luka the knight in shining armor to save us from this nightmare of super teams.

KP and Luka is enough...just bring in athletic wings that can defend and shoot. a klay type is the ideal top option. an iggy type the next best thing.

I agree somewhat. But 3D players or athletic center should be available in late 1st or early second. I think I'd find the right 2nd / 3rd option instead. The Mavs needs someone make Zinger effective on both end and can actually make clutch shots / key plays. FVV is too skilled and too experienced to be qualified. I don't think Toronto really want to pay 25-30M per to keep FVV. Instead, there's no guarantee that Giannis want to rid of the franchise player status and triple double spotlight afterall. The Mavs could be really wise and make a max slot and run at FVV and find the 3D players and athletic C in FA. Of course, Drummond could be an option. But FVV's UFA status makes decision a lot easier to Mavs faovrs.

FVV is nowhere near worth a max, I think it would set a franshise back signifcantly if they give him any think close to 20 mil a year or more

[Archx]

Anyone know the exact cap space we would have this summer even if THJ opts into his contract?

I think it's around 5-6M... But THJ would be a fool for not opting in. No one will ever pay him that much again. Unless he hires the same agent as Barnes lol.

[Darren]

there comes a point when you got too much fire power. GSW had too much with KD. it took the fun away. dallas has 2 challenges. 1. build a contender. 2. keep a rival (something lebron was always afraid of. Lebron never wanted to go toe to toe with an equal. he always wanted stacked steams. which took away from his own legend and the fun of th egame for the fans. KD is even worse than lebron is that regard. kawhi has even caught that fever.

Which makes Luka the knight in shining armor to save us from this nightmare of super teams.

KP and Luka is enough...just bring in athletic wings that can defend and shoot. a klay type is the ideal top option. an iggy type the next best thing.

I agree somewhat. But 3D players or athletic center should be available in late 1st or early second. I think I'd find the right 2nd / 3rd option instead. The Mavs needs someone make Zinger effective on both end and can actually make clutch shots / key plays. FVV is too skilled and too experienced to be qualified. I don't think Toronto really want to pay 25-30M per to keep FVV. Instead, there's no guarantee that Giannis want to rid of the franchise player status and triple double spotlight afterall. The Mavs could be really wise and make a max slot and run at FVV and find the 3D players and athletic C in FA. Of course, Drummond could be an option. But FVV's UFA status makes decision a lot easier to Mavs faovrs.

FVV is nowhere near worth a max, I think it would set a franshise back signifcantly if they give him any think close to 20 mil a year or more

People says the same about Aaron Gordon (ORL), James Harden (OKC) and Zach LaVine (MIN) as well. But things work out really well. FVV could be very good 2nd/3rd option with elite shooting, playmaking and clutchness to offer. And those qualities are proven in Finals as well. Meanwhile, Zinger needs pick-n-roll mate with elite shooting and good quickness to create space in transition. This could definitely take loads off Luka; and generates another kind of favorable mismatches from time to time. Then, a lot of players will be left opened regularly. FVV is not even a bad defender. For elite shooter without playmaking and defense, JJ Reddick still gets closed to max offer. I don't think it is overpaid for FVV.

[arkuo]

Anyone know the exact cap space we would have this summer even if THJ opts into his contract?

I think it's around 5-6M... But THJ would be a fool for not opting in. No one will ever pay him that much again. Unless he hires the same agent as Barnes lol.

That blows. $5M is essentially MLE money. That will net the Mavs someone like Alex Len.

[daoneandonly]

I agree somewhat. But 3D players or athletic center should be available in late 1st or early second. I think I'd find the right 2nd / 3rd option instead. The Mavs needs someone make Zinger effective on both end and can actually make clutch shots / key plays. FVV is too skilled and too experienced to be qualified. I don't think Toronto really want to pay 25-30M per to keep FVV. Instead, there's no guarantee that Giannis want to rid of the franchise player status and triple double spotlight afterall. The Mavs could be really wise and make a max slot and run at FVV and find the 3D players and athletic C in FA. Of course, Drummond could be an option. But FVV's UFA status makes decision a lot easier to Mavs faovrs.

FVV is nowhere near worth a max, I think it would set a franshise back signifcantly if they give him any think close to 20 mil a year or more

People says the same about Aaron Gordon (ORL), James Harden (OKC) and Zach LaVine (MIN) as well. But things work out really well. FVV could be very good 2nd/3rd option with elite shooting, playmaking and clutchness to offer. And those qualities are proven in Finals as well. Meanwhile, Zinger needs pick-n-roll mate with elite shooting and good quickness to create space in transition. This could definitely take loads off Luka; and generates another kind of favorable mismatches from time to time. Then, a lot of players will be left opened regularly. FVV is not even a bad defender. For elite shooter without playmaking and defense, JJ Reddick still gets closed to max offer. I don't think it is overpaid for FVV.

Only one of those guys is a max player, Harden. Gordon and lavine arent difference makers, and they wont take their team anywhere. Same as FVV, even moreso because of his size

[arkuo]

FVV is nowhere near worth a max, I think it would set a franshise back signifcantly if they give him any think close to 20 mil a year or more

People says the same about Aaron Gordon (ORL), James Harden (OKC) and Zach LaVine (MIN) as well. But things work out really well. FVV could be very good 2nd/3rd option with elite shooting, playmaking and clutchness to offer. And those qualities are proven in Finals as well. Meanwhile, Zinger needs pick-n-roll mate with elite shooting and good quickness to create space in transition. This could definitely take loads off Luka; and generates another kind of favorable mismatches from time to time. Then, a lot of players will be left opened regularly. FVV is not even a bad defender. For elite shooter without playmaking and defense, JJ Reddick still gets closed to max offer. I don't think it is overpaid for FVV.

Only one of those guys is a max player, Harden. Gordon and lavine arent difference makers, and they wont take their team anywhere. Same as FVV, even moreso because of his size

FVV is a $25M mistake that's about to happen. That's essentially a rich man's JJ Barea.

[arkuo]

Here's someone to keep tabs on, Royce O'Neale from Utah has been playing PF now that Derrick Favors vacated that spot and he has been doing really well despite being only 6'7. And that's because of his defense. Essentially like a PJ Tucker who has a strong core with a Capela behind him. We could use someone like that with KP in the middle. And he only makes the league minimum.

[Archx]

Anyone know the exact cap space we would have this summer even if THJ opts into his contract?

I think it's around 5-6M... But THJ would be a fool for not opting in. No one will ever pay him that much again. Unless he hires the same agent as Barnes lol.

That blows. $5M is essentially MLE money. That will net the Mavs someone like Alex Len.

Yea this roster is basically a lock for the next season. The smart thing to do would actually be trading Lee before the trade deadline and if they can get a solid player, risk going over the cap even more. But i'm not in the Mavs office so i obviously don't know how sensitive they are when it comes to money and going over the cap and for how long.