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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#21 » by XTraderXL » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:59 pm

leolozon wrote:Frank was a bright spot.

From the perspective that we want this team to make the 2nd round, the offense is still not clicking. 32% from 3 and 65% from the FT line is simply bad.

I'm still waiting for a good game from that team, which is weird considering they're 4-2 and we should all be happy.



They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#22 » by ejs78 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 12:11 am

XTraderXL wrote:
leolozon wrote:Frank was a bright spot.

From the perspective that we want this team to make the 2nd round, the offense is still not clicking. 32% from 3 and 65% from the FT line is simply bad.

I'm still waiting for a good game from that team, which is weird considering they're 4-2 and we should all be happy.



They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#23 » by leolozon » Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:13 am

ejs78 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
leolozon wrote:Frank was a bright spot.

From the perspective that we want this team to make the 2nd round, the offense is still not clicking. 32% from 3 and 65% from the FT line is simply bad.

I'm still waiting for a good game from that team, which is weird considering they're 4-2 and we should all be happy.



They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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Their record against teams playing for less than .500 was indeed bad last year, but I rather see a team win against good teams than the opposite, as that's what they're going to play in the playoffs.

You can also beat bad teams impressively. They didn't play that well in any of the 4 wins.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#24 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:19 am

Where are our new signing 40%+ 3points shooters? OMG what a brick guys :x

Poor Luka, he could has 20assists with real shooters.

Good for Frank. Great game for him. Earns minutes for sure.

DFS and Powell are embarassing.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#25 » by ejs78 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:25 am

leolozon wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:

They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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Their record against teams playing for less than .500 was indeed bad last year, but I rather see a team win against good teams than the opposite, as that's what they're going to play in the playoffs.

You can also beat bad teams impressively. They didn't play that well in any of the 4 wins.
Obviously you want to beat good teams as well, but we're only 6 games into the season and already nothing they do is good enough.

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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#26 » by Apz » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:20 am

Think parts of it is the reffing. Said 3p% had nosedived to like 33% iirc across the league. I can see the point, defenders dare to attack the shooter and get close now which theoretically can explain it.

French prince seems so happy in mavs, great game again. Luka a lot better. Sad about maxi, hope it isnt bad. Our center position feels like our biggest issue atm. Defense on perimeter been great, luka feels like our 2nd best interior defender atm. DFS block on barnes were sex for the soul.

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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#27 » by XTraderXL » Mon Nov 1, 2021 5:23 am

ejs78 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
leolozon wrote:Frank was a bright spot.

From the perspective that we want this team to make the 2nd round, the offense is still not clicking. 32% from 3 and 65% from the FT line is simply bad.

I'm still waiting for a good game from that team, which is weird considering they're 4-2 and we should all be happy.



They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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They were supposed to be one of the best teams in the league this year. Do you really think that is the case after watching 6 games this season so far? Playing like this they will be somewhere around .500.
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Post#28 » by agentofatlas » Mon Nov 1, 2021 5:27 am

4th in the west with a negative differential lol. The schedule gods have been very good to the Mavs. Very interested in the Miami game. Our shooters are due for a breakout.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#29 » by Apz » Mon Nov 1, 2021 5:40 am

XTraderXL wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:

They beat 4 lottery teams (3 at home) and got destroyed by the 2 playoff teams and not playing good basketball. It is not looking good at all. It will get better when Luka gets back into form but who knows when that will be.
Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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They were supposed to be one of the best teams in the league this year. Do you really think that is the case after watching 6 games this season so far? Playing like this they will be somewhere around .500.


Eh, who said we were gonna be one of the ebst teams in the league? I am pretty otimistic and thought we would end up at 50-55 wins. Looking at most of the predictions we were everywhere from 4th in the west to 9th. Cant see how that counts as predited to be one of the best teams.

The negativity on the mavs forum is amazing. When the season is done, u will only see how many games u won and lost. Uwont see against who or lineups or even shooting %. It doesnt matter. And the po is almost another sport, so nothing about how it looks now matter when we roll on few players
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#30 » by XTraderXL » Mon Nov 1, 2021 6:30 am

Apz wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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They were supposed to be one of the best teams in the league this year. Do you really think that is the case after watching 6 games this season so far? Playing like this they will be somewhere around .500.


Eh, who said we were gonna be one of the ebst teams in the league? I am pretty otimistic and thought we would end up at 50-55 wins. Looking at most of the predictions we were everywhere from 4th in the west to 9th. Cant see how that counts as predited to be one of the best teams.

The negativity on the mavs forum is amazing. When the season is done, u will only see how many games u won and lost. Uwont see against who or lineups or even shooting %. It doesnt matter. And the po is almost another sport, so nothing about how it looks now matter when we roll on few players


Nobody cares about the regular season if you get eliminated in the 1st round and thats what is going to happen this year again. And by saying one of the best teams I meant top 8 which means 2nd round of the PO. Is that really not something that was expected of this team? I havent heard anyone say the goal is just to get in the PO.
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Post#31 » by Mavrelous » Mon Nov 1, 2021 7:52 am

I hope Frank continues the trend, he's exactly what's needed next to Luka/JB, a guard that can be release valve when lead guard is trapped or pressured, and take ball handling duties, THJ and DFS are easily stripped, attack the rim from the weak side, he's also long and good defender, he can be assigned the small quick guards chase them through screens and bother them, his main shortcomings are lack of mid range game, inconsistent 3pt shot, and below average touch around the rim, he's showing improvement in these areas, I hope it's not a fluke, this could be a real steal.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#32 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:10 am

Frank is a lot better than in Knicks, because expectations for him is what they should have been from the begging. He should have never been drafted 8th. He’s not Pg what Knicks expected from him, but he can be solid role player with emphasis on D. He plays like we have expected from Green.

Getting those European dropouts is always worth trying, because they all have very solid basketball basis unlike many college kids.
I wonder why Mavs didn’t try with Hezonja too. His problem is in the head, but he would easily be one of the best players in Mavs second unit.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#33 » by leolozon » Mon Nov 1, 2021 10:54 am

ejs78 wrote:
leolozon wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Wasnt a complaint last year that they didn't beat bad teams enough?

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Their record against teams playing for less than .500 was indeed bad last year, but I rather see a team win against good teams than the opposite, as that's what they're going to play in the playoffs.

You can also beat bad teams impressively. They didn't play that well in any of the 4 wins.
Obviously you want to beat good teams as well, but we're only 6 games into the season and already nothing they do is good enough.

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Are you arguing that being 27th in offensive rating is good enough? Your expectation before the season was to be grouped on offense with OKC, Detroit and Houston to start the year?

Even in wins, they would be 16th in PPG and that's against bad teams.

Is that good enough for you? If it isn't, then why your comment? You would agree with me that 27th in offensive rating isn't good enough.

As for "only 6 games". Well yeah, there's only 6 games played. You want people to not have an opinion yet, leave the forum and come back after 20 games?

It's still a small sample size, but it's the only data we have to discuss and so far the data is factually subpar. It's reality, not negativity.

It's still nice to be 4-2 despite the way they've played. If they right the ship, then they can certainly manage to get to 50 wins, which was my expectation for this team.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#34 » by ejs78 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:05 pm

Not once have I did that.

Do better.

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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#35 » by ejs78 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:06 pm

leolozon wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
leolozon wrote:
Their record against teams playing for less than .500 was indeed bad last year, but I rather see a team win against good teams than the opposite, as that's what they're going to play in the playoffs.

You can also beat bad teams impressively. They didn't play that well in any of the 4 wins.
Obviously you want to beat good teams as well, but we're only 6 games into the season and already nothing they do is good enough.

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Are you arguing that being 27th in offensive rating is good enough? Your expectation before the season was to be grouped on offense with OKC, Detroit and Houston to start the year?

Even in wins, they would be 16th in PPG and that's against bad teams.

Is that good enough for you? If it isn't, then why your comment? You would agree with me that 27th in offensive rating isn't good enough.

As for "only 6 games". Well yeah, there's only 6 games played. You want people to not have an opinion yet, leave the forum and come back after 20 games?

It's still a small sample size, but it's the only data we have to discuss and so far the data is factually subpar. It's reality, not negativity.

It's still nice to be 4-2 despite the way they've played. If they right the ship, then they can certainly manage to get to 50 wins, which was my expectation for this team.
Not once have I said that in regards to being 27th in offense.

Do better.

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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#36 » by leolozon » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:53 pm

ejs78 wrote:
leolozon wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Obviously you want to beat good teams as well, but we're only 6 games into the season and already nothing they do is good enough.

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Are you arguing that being 27th in offensive rating is good enough? Your expectation before the season was to be grouped on offense with OKC, Detroit and Houston to start the year?

Even in wins, they would be 16th in PPG and that's against bad teams.

Is that good enough for you? If it isn't, then why your comment? You would agree with me that 27th in offensive rating isn't good enough.

As for "only 6 games". Well yeah, there's only 6 games played. You want people to not have an opinion yet, leave the forum and come back after 20 games?

It's still a small sample size, but it's the only data we have to discuss and so far the data is factually subpar. It's reality, not negativity.

It's still nice to be 4-2 despite the way they've played. If they right the ship, then they can certainly manage to get to 50 wins, which was my expectation for this team.
Not once have I said that in regards to being 27th in offense.

Do better.

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You said that "nothing they do is good enough" in a discussion about the offense not clicking. I'm sorry if I took for granted you were talking about the same thing I was talking about, but that's generally an assumption I make when my post is included in a discussion.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#37 » by fuller4379 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 5:05 pm

4-2 is exactly where this team was expected to be. They are going to have to play better though to beat the better teams. It is still very early though. KP is the biggest disappointment as he still can’t get on the floor. His contract is a disaster and hampers the Mavericks.
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Post#38 » by arkuo » Mon Nov 1, 2021 7:10 pm

fuller4379 wrote:4-2 is exactly where this team was expected to be. They are going to have to play better though to beat the better teams. It is still very early though. KP is the biggest disappointment as he still can’t get on the floor. His contract is a disaster and hampers the Mavericks.



I perosnally think the trade had to happen especially if it only cost Dennis Smith Jr. Cuban just has to look at it as sunk cost now. What he does to KP prior to the trade deadline would determine the direction of the team next year. I think his time with the team is up. If you could get positive value for him by the TDL, I think you have to pull the trigger.
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Post#39 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Nov 1, 2021 7:25 pm

On the paper the trade for KP was the only good moves by our FO after Luka draft, it was a move to really improve the roster.
Unfortunately it went wrong but Cuban is not to blame for that.
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Re: RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Kings (Sun. 3:30PM EST) 

Post#40 » by deb » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:07 pm

leolozon wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
leolozon wrote:
Their record against teams playing for less than .500 was indeed bad last year, but I rather see a team win against good teams than the opposite, as that's what they're going to play in the playoffs.

You can also beat bad teams impressively. They didn't play that well in any of the 4 wins.
Obviously you want to beat good teams as well, but we're only 6 games into the season and already nothing they do is good enough.

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Are you arguing that being 27th in offensive rating is good enough? Your expectation before the season was to be grouped on offense with OKC, Detroit and Houston to start the year?

Even in wins, they would be 16th in PPG and that's against bad teams.

Is that good enough for you? If it isn't, then why your comment? You would agree with me that 27th in offensive rating isn't good enough.

As for "only 6 games". Well yeah, there's only 6 games played. You want people to not have an opinion yet, leave the forum and come back after 20 games?

It's still a small sample size, but it's the only data we have to discuss and so far the data is factually subpar. It's reality, not negativity.

It's still nice to be 4-2 despite the way they've played. If they right the ship, then they can certainly manage to get to 50 wins, which was my expectation for this team.


I saw it your way too but changed my mind. The mavs are actually generating a lot of open and wide open shots, they're just not making them.

They are 2nd in the entire league in % of open shots (closest defender 4-6 feet away) and 2 last in fg% of said open shots (37.7).

They are 9th in the league in % of wide open shots (defender more than 6 feet away) and 14th in fg% of said shots (38.3)

This is bound to turn around. I mean neither Doncic's or DFS's last name is Curry, but both are capable of hitting threes in the low thirties at least.

I am actually quietly optimistic after having extremely low expectations before the start of the season...

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