RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Grizlies (Sat. 8:30PM EST)

[Bob8]

Tanking was laughable to me, but it's looking more and more enticing...
Offseason wasn't great, but it wasn't aweful either, Bullock was the 3&D guy Mavs missed a lot against the Clippers,WCS was actually very positive player last year, he was the best +/- thanks to his defense, Powell was supposed to be fully recovered from the Achilles.
Luka was great in the RS last year, but in the PO he unleased an ATG performance, this season he's out of shape, slow, barely drives, settles for too many jumpers, spacing was VERY ugly to start the season, and THJ is nowhere near what he was.
Everyone went backwards...
They are at a critical juntcure right now, they have 1 starting center in KP, 1 25 MPG in Kleber, 1 10 MPG mismatch dependant guy in Boban, and that's all they have for frontcourt, you can't win with that, against big teams this team get killed.
Either trade to resolve the frontcourt problems, or tank, you can't continue like this, I'd seriously consider trading all of Mavs crap for Kevin Love and Derrick Favors if they don't want to tank, there is no point in holding onto Powell, WCS, Burke and one of Bullock/Brown, Ntilikina made one of them expendable, and Dragic is on his way.

They're already tanking, without tanking.

Front court problems are evident, but Mavs had similar problems previous years too. The main difference is combination of Kidd's offense and shooters not hitting anything.

I would trade everyone except Luka and DFS, if they can prolong him for cheap. The most important is that they trade Brunson and get something valuable for him, if they give him 60+ millions, they will be screwed even more.

[Darren]

Sigh we could have had Bane

True, the Mavs should have ended up with Saddiq and Bane / Tilman. The Mavs management is just a bad joke to all the fans.

[41Dirk41]

Maybe it's time for Green or EO... At least they could have upside...

Can't hurt at this point.

They really sucks if they can't play neither last night where Bullock, Powell, Brown, Boban ecc were pretty useless.

Bane 29+9 hurts a lot.

[41Dirk41]

Tanking was laughable to me, but it's looking more and more enticing...
Offseason wasn't great, but it wasn't aweful either, Bullock was the 3&D guy Mavs missed a lot against the Clippers,WCS was actually very positive player last year, he was the best +/- thanks to his defense, Powell was supposed to be fully recovered from the Achilles.
Luka was great in the RS last year, but in the PO he unleased an ATG performance, this season he's out of shape, slow, barely drives, settles for too many jumpers, spacing was VERY ugly to start the season, and THJ is nowhere near what he was.
Everyone went backwards...
They are at a critical juntcure right now, they have 1 starting center in KP, 1 25 MPG in Kleber, 1 10 MPG mismatch dependant guy in Boban, and that's all they have for frontcourt, you can't win with that, against big teams this team get killed.
Either trade to resolve the frontcourt problems, or tank, you can't continue like this, I'd seriously consider trading all of Mavs crap for Kevin Love and Derrick Favors if they don't want to tank, there is no point in holding onto Powell, WCS, Burke and one of Bullock/Brown, Ntilikina made one of them expendable, and Dragic is on his way.

They're already tanking, without tanking.

Front court problems are evident, but Mavs had similar problems previous years too. The main difference is combination of Kidd's offense and shooters not hitting anything.

I would trade everyone except Luka and DFS, if they can prolong him for cheap. The most important is that they trade Brunson and get something valuable for him, if they give him 60+ millions, they will be screwed even more.

I keep KP too but i know that you don't like him

[Bob8]

Tanking was laughable to me, but it's looking more and more enticing...
Offseason wasn't great, but it wasn't aweful either, Bullock was the 3&D guy Mavs missed a lot against the Clippers,WCS was actually very positive player last year, he was the best +/- thanks to his defense, Powell was supposed to be fully recovered from the Achilles.
Luka was great in the RS last year, but in the PO he unleased an ATG performance, this season he's out of shape, slow, barely drives, settles for too many jumpers, spacing was VERY ugly to start the season, and THJ is nowhere near what he was.
Everyone went backwards...
They are at a critical juntcure right now, they have 1 starting center in KP, 1 25 MPG in Kleber, 1 10 MPG mismatch dependant guy in Boban, and that's all they have for frontcourt, you can't win with that, against big teams this team get killed.
Either trade to resolve the frontcourt problems, or tank, you can't continue like this, I'd seriously consider trading all of Mavs crap for Kevin Love and Derrick Favors if they don't want to tank, there is no point in holding onto Powell, WCS, Burke and one of Bullock/Brown, Ntilikina made one of them expendable, and Dragic is on his way.

They're already tanking, without tanking.

Front court problems are evident, but Mavs had similar problems previous years too. The main difference is combination of Kidd's offense and shooters not hitting anything.

I would trade everyone except Luka and DFS, if they can prolong him for cheap. The most important is that they trade Brunson and get something valuable for him, if they give him 60+ millions, they will be screwed even more.

I keep KP too but i know that you don't like him

It's not even about liking him. Being available to play is the most important thing for basketball player. Kp just cannot stay on the court. You cannot afford that kind of max. player.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

[Archx]

They are at a critical juntcure right now, they have 1 starting center in KP, 1 25 MPG in Kleber, 1 10 MPG mismatch dependant guy in Boban, and that's all they have for frontcourt, you can't win with that, against big teams this team get killed.
Either trade to resolve the frontcourt problems, or tank, you can't continue like this, I'd seriously consider trading all of Mavs crap for Kevin Love and Derrick Favors if they don't want to tank, there is no point in holding onto Powell, WCS, Burke and one of Bullock/Brown, Ntilikina made one of them expendable, and Dragic is on his way.

A this juncture, you went full Harp there and i'm proud of you

But on top of all that you said, Luka is the most double teamed player this season. There is even a gap between him and the next guy. So if you add all that up and look at Mavs shooting %'s, no wonder this team has huge problems. Apart from Luka not playing up to his standards, this team is simply playing terrible as a unit.
KP is part of the problem aswell. He can be so hot or cold OR even worse, he's injured.

[arkuo]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

It's hard to build talent around a Lebron, a Harden or a Luka. Case in point, Lebron had to leave Cleveland and team up with Wade and Bosh in Miami. Harden had to leave Houston to team up with KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn. That type of playing style is very nice for youtube highlights and stat sheets, but in reality it is very hard to find pieces for. Hence, the Wade and the KD team ups. Luka will have to find his posse here or somewhere else IMO. The closest thing is for them to retain KP AND bring Jokic in. I dont even know if that'll work.

[leolozon]

Sigh we could have had Bane

True, the Mavs should have ended up with Saddiq and Bane / Tilman. The Mavs management is just a bad joke to all the fans.

Bane was taken 30th. Dallas was close, but they didn't have a chance to pick him.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

It's hard to build talent around a Lebron, a Harden or a Luka. Case in point, Lebron had to leave Cleveland and team up with Wade and Bosh in Miami. Harden had to leave Houston to team up with KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn. That type of playing style is very nice for youtube highlights and stat sheets, but in reality it is very hard to find pieces for. Hence, the Wade and the KD team ups. Luka will have to find his posse here or somewhere else IMO. The closest thing is for them to retain KP AND bring Jokic in. I dont even know if that'll work.

It's very easy to build Arkuo, the problem in CEL was the contracts they had, that couldn't be moved, and didn't provide (Ilgauskas who was slower than me, Hughes, etc...) Mavs have KP, Powell, Burke eating up 50 millions for basically the equivalent of 80% of an allstar, this is 2 allstars money, and this was before last offseason.

[41Dirk41]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

Yes but KP is way better than Ilga, of course if he is always injurie he is a problem.
Unfortunately his trade value is all time low, i think is a no sense flip him right now unless miracle.

[Mavrelous]

Sigh we could have had Bane

True, the Mavs should have ended up with Saddiq and Bane / Tilman. The Mavs management is just a bad joke to all the fans.

Bane was taken 30th. Dallas was close, but they didn't have a chance to pick him.

Celtics practically gave up that pick for free

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

Yes but KP is way better than Ilga, of course if he is always injurie he is a problem.
Unfortunately his trade value is all time low, i think is a no sense flip him right now unless miracle.

Ilgauskas was skilled, but was slower than Boban, KP's peoblems is injuries and physical bigs.

[arkuo]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

Yes but KP is way better than Ilga, of course if he is always injurie he is a problem.
Unfortunately his trade value is all time low, i think is a no sense flip him right now unless miracle.

Ilgauskas was skilled, but was slower than Boban, KP's peoblems is injuries and physical bigs.

Sometimes I wonder if 1 summer training with Dirk or Holger would help KP. Dirk was not so massive at 7'0 245 lbs. But he was able to turn contact into points. The thing with KP is he does not have a post move like Dirk did. His footwork is that of a guard who learned to play basketball 2 years ago. So he's 7'3 but plays a game like he's 6'7. Dirk woild find where the contact is in the post and do an up and under where he gets the swipe or the foul for an and one fadeaway. KP would always look to shoot the ball as soon as he gets the pass. Sometimes maybe without even thinking twice or checking his options.

[leolozon]

True, the Mavs should have ended up with Saddiq and Bane / Tilman. The Mavs management is just a bad joke to all the fans.

Bane was taken 30th. Dallas was close, but they didn't have a chance to pick him.

Celtics practically gave up that pick for free

They could have traded, but that complicates the story.

Also, Saddiq Bey sucks this year.

[41Dirk41]

Yeah, KP is looking more and more like Luka's Ilgauskas, I hope Luka's fate with DAL be different than LeBron in CLE.

It's hard to build talent around a Lebron, a Harden or a Luka. Case in point, Lebron had to leave Cleveland and team up with Wade and Bosh in Miami. Harden had to leave Houston to team up with KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn. That type of playing style is very nice for youtube highlights and stat sheets, but in reality it is very hard to find pieces for. Hence, the Wade and the KD team ups. Luka will have to find his posse here or somewhere else IMO. The closest thing is for them to retain KP AND bring Jokic in. I dont even know if that'll work.

It's a false myth, it's not so difficult instead for a good GM and FO.
Cavs FO was awful just like us...and it's very probable that Luka is in the same path than LeBron.
Morey is an amazing GM, Houston was a contender for a lot of year and without CP3 injury than won a ring.
He drafted guys like Capela, Harrell and Parsons, traded for CP3, Gordon and Covington... And i forgot some moves for sure.
It's all about basketball stuff.
Our FO is bad, no excuse.

And i don't speak only about win but be a contender, for win It also takes a bit of lucky.

[Bob8]

Bane was taken 30th. Dallas was close, but they didn't have a chance to pick him.

Celtics practically gave up that pick for free

They could have traded, but that complicates the story.

Oh and Saddiq Bey sucks this year.

More than Josh?

[leolozon]

Celtics practically gave up that pick for free

They could have traded, but that complicates the story.

Oh and Saddiq Bey sucks this year.

More than Josh?

Well, he is playing and is a huge negative. At least, Green is neutral while sitting on the bench.

Honestly, I always liked Green's energy. It's a shame he can't hit his 3s.

[Bob8]

They could have traded, but that complicates the story.

Oh and Saddiq Bey sucks this year.

More than Josh?

Well, he is playing and is a huge negative. At least, Green is neutral while sitting on the bench.

Honestly, I always liked Green's energy. It's a shame he can't hit his 3s.

Mavs have new coaching staff and if they, like previous coaching staff, see him unplayable even though all players in his position suck, then he for sure is really bad.

Saddiq is still better than Bullock and Brown.

[Mavrelous]

Yes but KP is way better than Ilga, of course if he is always injurie he is a problem.
Unfortunately his trade value is all time low, i think is a no sense flip him right now unless miracle.

Ilgauskas was skilled, but was slower than Boban, KP's peoblems is injuries and physical bigs.

Sometimes I wonder if 1 summer training with Dirk or Holger would help KP. Dirk was not so massive at 7'0 245 lbs. But he was able to turn contact into points. The thing with KP is he does not have a post move like Dirk did. His footwork is that of a guard who learned to play basketball 2 years ago. So he's 7'3 but plays a game like he's 6'7. Dirk woild find where the contact is in the post and do an up and under where he gets the swipe or the foul for an and one fadeaway. KP would always look to shoot the ball as soon as he gets the pass. Sometimes maybe without even thinking twice or checking his options.

KP is nowhere near as fluid, coordinated or precise as Dirk, Dirk was special.