SUMMER LEAGUE THREAD

Darren · Post #21 » by **Darren** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:54 am

arkuo wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I would get Josh Green on this lineup too. Just for added development. Green and Hardy are going to be low cost options for the Mavs roster. You need those to round out the 15 names. Cant have all the guys earning $15M a piece.

Actually, Green has the Iguodala lite for a big PG with solid defense potential. Hardy is more likely a Clarkson lite for bench scorer. And indeed, the Mavs need someone to be tradeable and appealing to teams. Whether the Mavs find great rotation player or trade bait. This kind of player development is needed especially with Brunson leaving in sight.

Darren · Post #22 » by **Darren** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:38 am

Watch on YouTube

Darren · Post #23 » by **Darren** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:39 am

That's well beyond the 3 point line.

arkuo · Post #24 » by **arkuo** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:03 am

Hardy's upside is high. In high school was ranked 2nd in the country behind Chet Holmgren. Didnt go to college so his stats suffered but now he's got his footing back

SOUNDCHASER · Post #25 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:08 pm

Hardy should have been a lottery pick and we got him so he is going to make the rest of the league pay.

Teffer10 · Post #26 » by **Teffer10** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:32 pm

Kidd should consider getting Hardy into the rotation early because this kid's upside is through the roof.
Looks like he has the potential to give us what Brunson did and more eventually.
Might as well tap it early to see if we found a gem.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #27 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:14 am

I think you are correct on that strategy and to add to that I would love the mavs to similarly play their 7' undrafted center they signed
because the videos I've seen of his game indicate he is a keeper that can hit 3's quite well.

Darren · Post #28 » by **Darren** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:01 am

Teffer10 wrote:Kidd should consider getting Hardy into the rotation early because this kid's upside is through the roof.
Looks like he has the potential to give us what Brunson did and more eventually.
Might as well tap it early to see if we found a gem.

That's true. Hardy averaged 30 PPG, 9 RPG, 8 APG in high school with a record breaking 62 points in a game with Curry / Young like shots. That's not even the level Brunson might reach. Hardy just needs to learn to make decisions, improve handles, cut down turnovers and play defense. I think the ceiling is higher than Jordan Poole. At least, Luka gets someone to shoot from half court in practice this season. Surely, Hardy could be a good player alongside Luka. For one, Hardy can't be left opened hitting 55% from 3s in opened situation. Hardy could also play defense. This gives team better matchups in clutch period. Hardy can only hit big shots. That's natural fit with Luka.

41Dirk41 · Post #29 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:53 am

I hope you are right and Hardy is a gem... We desperatly need this.

But i don't expect that he will make impact in the first NBA season.

Bob8 · Post #30 » by **Bob8** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:59 am

I believe expectations should be much more modest with those young players, who mostly don't last long in Nba.

Speadge · Post #31 » by **Speadge** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:28 am

I agree.
It's like that every year. Just remember Josh Green, Tyrell Terry and Tyler Bey euphory

It will be great if at least one of them will turn into something serviceable, but let's not overreact now about "borderline all star". Time will tell.

Bob8 · Post #32 » by **Bob8** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:40 am

Here we can see, what are odds for second round picks.

https://sportsanalytics.berkeley.edu/articles/trash-or-treasure.html

arkuo · Post #33 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:49 am

If Hardy takes the Desmond Bane route next to Morant, then he will be successful next to Luka.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #34 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:17 pm

Hardy was passed over in the draft for stupid reasons. He is clearly the same guy who was the #2 rated player coming out of high school and he simply landed in a situation that took more time for him to produce results because he chose to play with pro players not college kids. His game improved to the level of a pro way faster by his taking that approach and so he is ready to jump to the NBA much quicker. When you understand this you see him as being way above the norm in terms of talent that a typical 2nd rounder would have. His three ball is way more impressive than what I have seen from most 2nd round picks that shot is quick and he makes it after contact. The mav's have something very special in him.

dirkdiggler4177 · Post #35 » by **dirkdiggler4177** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:52 pm

I was not aware of Hardy. I honestly did not pay attention to the Mavs on draft night. How did Hardy become exposed in the g-league considering he was ranked so high before that?

dirkdiggler4177 · Post #36 » by **dirkdiggler4177** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:53 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Hardy was passed over in the draft for stupid reasons. He is clearly the same guy who was the #2 rated player coming out of high school and he simply landed in a situation that took more time for him to produce results because he chose to play with pro players not college kids. His game improved to the level of a pro way faster by his taking that approach and so he is ready to jump to the NBA much quicker. When you understand this you see him as being way above the norm in terms of talent that a typical 2nd rounder would have. His three ball is way more impressive than what I have seen from most 2nd round picks that shot is quick and he makes it after contact. The mav's have something very special in him.

How come nobody sees it like you? I mean, he was drafted at 37th.

Teffer10 · Post #37 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:25 pm

Bob8 wrote:I believe expectations should be much more modest with those young players, who mostly don't last long in Nba.

Agree, but my point with Hardy is that he possesses the skills and upside that could become very useful for us next season and going forward.
Green and Bey were most likely drafted because of their athleticism and potential fit as defensive-oriented wings who could develop their offensive games. Terry probably had a chance but something was wrong between the ears.

If Hardy was on a complete rebuild team he'd get an opportunity to play through mistakes, but with the Mavs in win-now mode he probably won't get much opportunity. All I'm saying is that I think we should give him the minutes to develop with the rest of our rotation at first to see if we might have found something special. Most likely not, but to me he possesses the skills that COULD become something special.
Now whether he has it between the ears is another story, but he seems confident but yet humble and eager to learn under Luka and Kidd. The attitude and skillsets are there so I just think Kidd should give this kid a hard look to see if he can help alleviate the most likely loss of losing Brunson.

There is a reason the Mavs moved into the draft to get him.

Teffer10 · Post #38 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:27 pm

dirkdiggler4177 wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:Hardy was passed over in the draft for stupid reasons. He is clearly the same guy who was the #2 rated player coming out of high school and he simply landed in a situation that took more time for him to produce results because he chose to play with pro players not college kids. His game improved to the level of a pro way faster by his taking that approach and so he is ready to jump to the NBA much quicker. When you understand this you see him as being way above the norm in terms of talent that a typical 2nd rounder would have. His three ball is way more impressive than what I have seen from most 2nd round picks that shot is quick and he makes it after contact. The mav's have something very special in him.

How come nobody sees it like you? I mean, he was drafted at 37th.

Well, obviously Nico, Fin and Kidd must have seen something.
I tend to agree with SC that we might just have something in Hardy.

arkuo · Post #39 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:36 pm

Hardy ticks a lot of boxes for a 19 year old rookie. I've watched a lot of his game and he looks more composed than his teammate Beauchamp. And that guy was picked way ahead.

Nothing's guaranteed in any draft. It's a crap shoot. But you can get guys like Bane at like 30 and Jordan Poole af 27 and even Manu Ginobli in the 2nd round, Hardy is a decent shot at 37.

Apz · Post #40 » by **Apz** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:58 pm

dirkdiggler4177 wrote:
SOUNDCHASER wrote:Hardy was passed over in the draft for stupid reasons. He is clearly the same guy who was the #2 rated player coming out of high school and he simply landed in a situation that took more time for him to produce results because he chose to play with pro players not college kids. His game improved to the level of a pro way faster by his taking that approach and so he is ready to jump to the NBA much quicker. When you understand this you see him as being way above the norm in terms of talent that a typical 2nd rounder would have. His three ball is way more impressive than what I have seen from most 2nd round picks that shot is quick and he makes it after contact. The mav's have something very special in him.

How come nobody sees it like you? I mean, he was drafted at 37th.

First was co id season, so no games, then moved right to g-league to play vs pros. Then as a sg he got the role to play pg. So took some time to get into it. Sample size is small since they only played 23 games, so those first 10 games dragged his averages down. Last 10 were something like 20ppg and 40% from 3. Personally, if he get some time to play sg when luka is on, luka can give him the roy title