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Post#21 » by Archx » Wed Sep 7, 2022 10:34 am

Darren wrote:I seriously doubt Dennis Smith has the basketball smart to compete in NBA. Not to mention the lack of size on defensive end.


DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.
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Post#22 » by Bob8 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 11:52 am

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Darren wrote:I seriously doubt Dennis Smith has the basketball smart to compete in NBA. Not to mention the lack of size on defensive end.


DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.


No. They're both useless for playoffs. Dorsey is light years better than both. Only problem for Dorsey is that he can't create anything for others, so he needs another guard beside him. Dragic+Dorsey would be perfect pairing for running second unit. We need another Pg, which DSJ isn't.
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Post#23 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 1:06 pm

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Darren wrote:I seriously doubt Dennis Smith has the basketball smart to compete in NBA. Not to mention the lack of size on defensive end.


DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.


DSJ at 24yo is almost out of NBA and he never played 1 PO game... Probably he is completely unplayable in PO :wink:

I quote Bob, Dorsey is a ready guy. Not a superstar but a good player with exp in Euroleague and NT.
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Post#24 » by Archx » Wed Sep 7, 2022 1:14 pm

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Darren wrote:I seriously doubt Dennis Smith has the basketball smart to compete in NBA. Not to mention the lack of size on defensive end.


DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.


DSJ at 24yo is almost out of NBA and he never played 1 PO game... Probably he is completely unplayable in PO :wink:

I quote Bob, Dorsey is a ready guy. Not a superstar but a good player with exp in Euroleague and NT.


I understand that. I was just commenting from that list which was presented. Schroeder is probably going to another team anyway and if i would have to choose from the rest, i would give DSJ a try.
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Post#25 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 1:37 pm

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DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.


DSJ at 24yo is almost out of NBA and he never played 1 PO game... Probably he is completely unplayable in PO :wink:

I quote Bob, Dorsey is a ready guy. Not a superstar but a good player with exp in Euroleague and NT.


I understand that. I was just commenting from that list which was presented. Schroeder is probably going to another team anyway and if i would have to choose from the rest, i would give DSJ a try.


I ever liked DSJ, his attitude with us was good... But he can't shoots and his BBQI is very low.
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Post#26 » by UglyBugBall » Wed Sep 7, 2022 4:26 pm

I would like Dennis for one year, and I think he's worth more than the MLE. He's not as good as Brunson overall, but he's not far off and I think he's a better defender despite his size. I would prefer him on the second unit though, but I think he thinks he's a starter.
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Post#27 » by Teffer10 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 6:20 pm

Not sure why anyone would want to waste our time with DSJ.
He'd be pretty low on the PG depth chart and would have a difficult time beating Hardy out for the last position.

Luka/Dinwiddie/Frank/Dorsey/Hardy or DSJ is the way I'd see it.

I'd rather develop Dorsey and Hardy than waste our time hoping DSJ becomes anything remotely useful.

If we're going to sign another ball-handler, that person needs to be between Dinwiddie and Frank on the depth chart or it isn't worth wasting a roster spot.
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Post#28 » by DanEu » Wed Sep 7, 2022 11:43 pm

What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.
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Post#29 » by Maverick41 » Thu Sep 8, 2022 12:35 am

DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.

He's the only free agent PG outside of Schroeder that's worth considering imo. Bad knees or not, he can at least play the Trey Burke role which is still something that is useful to have if Luka or Dinwiddie misses any extended time.

Not saying I would sign him if I was Nico but he would have more use then all the other guys mentioned other then Schroeder.
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Post#30 » by Darren » Thu Sep 8, 2022 3:00 am

DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.


Rumor is that Kemba is interested in joining Pheonix. In case it is, I think Pheonix pick Kemba and let Schroder finding veteran minimum team. Under such scenario, the Mavs is heavily favorite landing Dennis Schroder. I don't think there's any other teams without cap space offer Schroder better role.
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Post#31 » by Darren » Thu Sep 8, 2022 3:41 am

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Darren wrote:I seriously doubt Dennis Smith has the basketball smart to compete in NBA. Not to mention the lack of size on defensive end.


DSJ is still an amazing athlete who can get to the rim anytime he wants. Complete opposite of Frank. Plus he can do a little bit of playmaking and can hold his own on defense. I don't care about regular season, i'm thinking of playoffs and i honestly believe DSJ could potentially be more playable than Frank.


Disagreed. I think you mistaken Josh Green with Dennis Smith. Ntilikina can get to the rim as well. But Frank struggles to convert layup on good percentage. Green can also get to the rim, score and dash. Green learning a jumper is playable on playoff floor.
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Post#32 » by styLesdavis » Thu Sep 8, 2022 6:51 am

What i don`t get: first we didn`t get Dragic because he didn`t want to be a "bench warmer" aka 11-12th man on the roster. This has gone viral - so why do we expect that someone Like Schroder would sign in Dallas? Dennis desperately needs playing time more that anything else. Do we want a "veteran ballhandler" "JUST IN CASE" or as a solid part in our rotation? What about Dorsey?

People who argue about Dennis with his "good games at eurobasket" should check his shooting percentages. He is shooting 36% FG and 20.5% 3FG (7.25 3FG per game). Germany plays strong as a team not solely because of Dennis. Schröder is the one who needs to step up his game to win germany a medal.
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Post#33 » by Mavrelous » Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:20 am

DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.

Mavs should consider trading Powell for him, saves them ~10 million (salary difference + tax), and balances the roster.
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Post#34 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Sep 8, 2022 11:35 am

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DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.

He's the only free agent PG outside of Schroeder that's worth considering imo. Bad knees or not, he can at least play the Trey Burke role which is still something that is useful to have if Luka or Dinwiddie misses any extended time.

Not saying I would sign him if I was Nico but he would have more use then all the other guys mentioned other then Schroeder.


Schroeder is significantly better then Kemba at pretty much everything. I don't think Kemba makes our bench rotation, as I'm not sure he's even better then our rookie guards who should use the minutes to develop.

I guess you can hire him as insurance in case of injury, but I'm not sure he's worth potential locker room problems wanting rotation minutes
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Post#35 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Sep 8, 2022 11:36 am

styLesdavis wrote:What i don`t get: first we didn`t get Dragic because he didn`t want to be a "bench warmer" aka 11-12th man on the roster. This has gone viral - so why do we expect that someone Like Schroder would sign in Dallas? Dennis desperately needs playing time more that anything else. Do we want a "veteran ballhandler" "JUST IN CASE" or as a solid part in our rotation? What about Dorsey?

People who argue about Dennis with his "good games at eurobasket" should check his shooting percentages. He is shooting 36% FG and 20.5% 3FG (7.25 3FG per game). Germany plays strong as a team not solely because of Dennis. Schröder is the one who needs to step up his game to win germany a medal.


I think Shroeder would be top 7 in the rotation, not 11-12. He would make an actual difference
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Post#36 » by HMFFL » Thu Sep 8, 2022 5:17 pm

dirkdiggler4177 wrote:
The Dallas Mavericks are considering adding one more veteran ballhandler to its roster this offseason.

The Mavericks lost Jalen Brunson to the New York Knicks in free agency.

Dennis Schroder remains a free agent and he has been scouted at EuroBasket by Nico Harrison and Michael Finley.

Additional free agent point guards include Eric Bledsoe, Elfrid Payton, Facundo Campazzo and Dennis Smith Jr.


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Schroder would be awesome considering he will be playing for a contract. Hopefully, his ego has adjusted. I don't know about the rest of them.
I doubt his ego has improved. Hence, why he's probably available.

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Post#37 » by Teffer10 » Thu Sep 8, 2022 6:04 pm

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DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.

Mavs should consider trading Powell for him, saves them ~10 million (salary difference + tax), and balances the roster.

I'm not sure I'd give up one of our best tradable assets for Walker.

My guess is they'll hold on to Powell until the TDL where they can maximize his trade value.
I can see them packaging Powell with one or two of our young guys (Hardy, Green, Frank, etc...) who can't get into the rotation but still have some upside to yield a legit PO caliber rotation player to fill a void.
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Post#38 » by Mavrelous » Thu Sep 8, 2022 7:18 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
DanEu wrote:What about Kemba Walker ? He might be bought out. I know he had a lot of injury issues but for a vet minimum he's worth a shot.

Mavs should consider trading Powell for him, saves them ~10 million (salary difference + tax), and balances the roster.

I'm not sure I'd give up one of our best tradable assets for Walker.

My guess is they'll hold on to Powell until the TDL where they can maximize his trade value.
I can see them packaging Powell with one or two of our young guys (Hardy, Green, Frank, etc...) who can't get into the rotation but still have some upside to yield a legit PO caliber rotation player to fill a void.

Powell's main value is being and expiring, which Walker also is.
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Post#39 » by Apz » Fri Sep 9, 2022 2:25 pm

KhalilS wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Mavs should consider trading Powell for him, saves them ~10 million (salary difference + tax), and balances the roster.

I'm not sure I'd give up one of our best tradable assets for Walker.

My guess is they'll hold on to Powell until the TDL where they can maximize his trade value.
I can see them packaging Powell with one or two of our young guys (Hardy, Green, Frank, etc...) who can't get into the rotation but still have some upside to yield a legit PO caliber rotation player to fill a void.

Powell's main value is being and expiring, which Walker also is.


How is mavs saving 10m? Must have missed something cause pretty sure kemba is making more then 1m
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Post#40 » by Mavrelous » Fri Sep 9, 2022 2:53 pm

Apz wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I'm not sure I'd give up one of our best tradable assets for Walker.

My guess is they'll hold on to Powell until the TDL where they can maximize his trade value.
I can see them packaging Powell with one or two of our young guys (Hardy, Green, Frank, etc...) who can't get into the rotation but still have some upside to yield a legit PO caliber rotation player to fill a void.

Powell's main value is being and expiring, which Walker also is.


How is mavs saving 10m? Must have missed something cause pretty sure kemba is making more then 1m

Kemba makes 2 millions less, these 2 millions are also taxed at the 2nd highest bracket at 3.25, so it's 2*(1 + 3.25). which is ~8.5 mils.
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