Dallas Mavericks 2023 offseason thread

[daoneandonly]

Kyrie
Luka
Green
G.Williams
Holmes

Maybe a little bit undersized under the basket but not a bad S5...

What contract do you think Williams should get?

I hope full MLE but i think over 15M despite the narrative about new CBA...

In that case I would prefer a S&T with them getting THJ. THJ and KP are good friends so maybe, just maybe we'll luck out

[Mavrelous]

I'd be surprised if Grant Williams got more than the MLE, 8 PPG player who isn't a difference maker on defense, no eye popping advanced stats, just isn't that desirable.

[Archx]

Kyrie
Luka
Green
G.Williams
Holmes

Maybe a little bit undersized under the basket but not a bad S5...

What contract do you think Williams should get?

I hope full MLE but i think over 15M despite the narrative about new CBA...

Mavs can't offer anything above MLE to anyone at this point. It was said they'll offer him full MLE and Boston shouldn't match. They have KP now, so we'll see what happens soon enough.

Then i assume McGee, Bullock and possibly THJ will also be on the move. Resign Powell and other scrubs for vet min to fill up the roster and that's it.

I'm very interested to see what they can do with those 3 i mentioned. THJ is possibly going to be used as a trade bait to get rid of McGee. But they'll still have to replace his scoring somehow. Both draft picks were made with defense and rebounding in mind but Kyrie and Luka won't score combined over 80 points each game lol.

[arkuo]

The roster stands at how many now? I bet they round up the last two spots with Pinson and Powell both at the vet minimum. IF we are sitting at 13 players by season opener. If not then those two are out. Seems plausible if they trade THJ and Mcgee in a two for one deal.

[arkuo]

Reports are saying Hawks wanted one of Hardy or Green to go along with the 10th pick and Bertans for Capela. Right call to turn it down IMO.

[arkuo]

I feel like the plan is to eventually start Lively as Holmes is the Brendan Haywood to Tyson Chandler. Kidd played with both so Im hoping he knows what to do there.

[Michaellam1987]

Don’t overpay for player like G.William

[Apz]

I feel happy with the frontoffice work last night. Feels good that after all thise trades trying to rob mavs on that 10 pick, and before that luka, its over. Wonder who will be the next asset they will make trades for that is pennies on the dollar for mavs.

[arkuo]

Don’t overpay for player like G.William

If the price is the same (which is like the full MLE now), who offers more value, Grant Williams or Harrison Barnes?

[41Dirk41]

I'd be surprised if Grant Williams got more than the MLE, 8 PPG player who isn't a difference maker on defense, no eye popping advanced stats, just isn't that desirable.

DFS 14M
Maxi 11M

This is the NBA...

[arkuo]

If Nico splits the MLE between Grant Williams and Bruce Brown, someone needs to build him a statue outside the ACC.

[41Dirk41]

If Nico splits the MLE between Grant Williams and Bruce Brown, someone needs to build him a statue outside the ACC.

Maybe for the Lakers

Williams is 24yo
Brown 26yo

The want the cash...

[BeiBeau]

1. If we don’t have the full MLE give the TMLE to Bates Diop and let him start.

2. I still want Powell back on the min. He will be a good mentor to Lively. Will teach him how to set good screens. Plus Holmes has never been a 82 games a year guy and we don’t know what is going on with Holmes right now. Powell will get this center rotation through the regular season.

3. I think Dallas should be shopping 2027 1st in a package with Bullock for an upgrade. Maybe Daniel Gafford? He can start now and then when DL2 improves he can back him up. It’d be a good rotation.

[arkuo]

One thing to watch out for - ATL has been given a mandate by ownership to get off salary to move out of the 2nd apron.

Would not surprise me if Nico pulls off a THJ for John Collins swap. ATL moves out of the Collins salary next year since THJ is expiring. Mavs get a starting PF over Kleber.

[Apz]

One thing to watch out for - ATL has been given a mandate by ownership to get off salary to move out of the 2nd apron.

Would not surprise me if Nico pulls off a THJ for John Collins swap. ATL moves out of the Collins salary next year since THJ is expiring. Mavs get a starting PF over Kleber.

Would be awful. Finally got out of bertans contract just to take on a worse one, and also trading away our only real shooter that also would need to be replaced. Need an up 1st for every year left on his contract to take on hid 26m/year with bad shooting and bad defense. Im actually noy sure collins is good at anything but being "athletic", however that helps. And i and many of u said it whrn he got that contract that they would regret it

[arkuo]

One thing to watch out for - ATL has been given a mandate by ownership to get off salary to move out of the 2nd apron.

Would not surprise me if Nico pulls off a THJ for John Collins swap. ATL moves out of the Collins salary next year since THJ is expiring. Mavs get a starting PF over Kleber.

Would be awful. Finally got out of bertans contract just to take on a worse one, and also trading away our only real shooter that also would need to be replaced. Need an up 1st for every year left on his contract to take on hid 26m/year with bad shooting and bad defense. Im actually noy sure collins is good at anything but being "athletic", however that helps. And i and many of u said it whrn he got that contract that they would regret it

Same. I have my doubts with John Collins. But if it's the same as THJ, I'd rather have Hardy take THJ's shots off the bench and have Cuban spend on Collins because that money is gone anyway. With 15 shot attempts Collins gets you 20 and 10 IMO. And he's like 6'9 which gives you more size. You lose some on the financial end but like I said, that money is spent anyway. Let Cuban foot the bill.

[Mavrelous]

One thing to watch out for - ATL has been given a mandate by ownership to get off salary to move out of the 2nd apron.

Would not surprise me if Nico pulls off a THJ for John Collins swap. ATL moves out of the Collins salary next year since THJ is expiring. Mavs get a starting PF over Kleber.

I'd love that, Mavs will be tax payers, but
Luka
Kyrie
Green
Collins
Maxi

Lineup is something you can work with, right now Mavs have a hole at the PF position.

[BeiBeau]

One thing to watch out for - ATL has been given a mandate by ownership to get off salary to move out of the 2nd apron.

Would not surprise me if Nico pulls off a THJ for John Collins swap. ATL moves out of the Collins salary next year since THJ is expiring. Mavs get a starting PF over Kleber.

Would be awful. Finally got out of bertans contract just to take on a worse one, and also trading away our only real shooter that also would need to be replaced. Need an up 1st for every year left on his contract to take on hid 26m/year with bad shooting and bad defense. Im actually noy sure collins is good at anything but being "athletic", however that helps. And i and many of u said it whrn he got that contract that they would regret it

Would way rather have THJ on his contract over Collins on his contract and it’s not even close. Dallas is owed major value in a THJ/Collins trade

[daoneandonly]

Collins is no good for that money. THJ is overpaid, but Collins moreso. In most cases I think Bullock should start over Green.

[ejs78]

Cap structure:
Here is the salary table

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Luka Doncic   $40,064,220    $43,031,940    $45,999,660    $48,967,38   
Tim Hardaway Jr.   $17,897,728    $16,193,183          
Richaun Holmes   $13,852,923    $14,808,297          
Maxi Kleber   $11,000,000    $11,000,000    $11,000,000       
Reggie Bullock   $10,489,600             
JaVale McGee   $5,734,280    $6,007,341          
Dereck Lively II   $4,774,920    $5,013,666.00    $5,264,349.30    $5,527,566.77    
Josh Green   $4,765,339             
Olivier-Maxence Prosper   $2,733,360    $2,870,028.00    $3,013,529.40    $3,164,205.87    
Jaden Hardy   $1,719,864    $2,019,699          
               
Sum   $111,225,331    $99,012,637    $65,277,539    $8,691,773    


Total salary is $113,032,234

Tax threshold 165.3
First Apron 172.3

Tax considerations: Mavs should think hard about ducking tax this year(165.3), this opens tax slots for the following 2 years w/o being repeater tax offenders, matters greatly for spending, Cuban isn't the big spender he was 20 years ago.


Depth chart:
Mavs have 10 guys on roster, I'd like Kyrie to sign for 180/4, this salary starts at 40, his max start at ~47
With Kyrie max Mavs are 160 million, 0 chance they use the MLE
With 180/4, they are at 153, using the MLE is possible, but still unlikely, unless it's a must have guy.
Depth chart assuming Kyrie signs

Kyrie/Hardy
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Green
Maxi/OMP
Holmes/McGee/Lively*

* Lively will start in the G-league and get garbage minutes when one of the centers is inujured, in the 2nd half of the season will be brought along, similar to Hardy, I really liked the way they handled Hardy minutes.

Positional needs:
Guards -- no need, Mavs need another PG for spot minutes, I'm fine with MWIV on 2nd year of 2-way or a vet min signing (Ish Smith?)
Centers -- I don't think Mavs should get a center, I would've traded for Ayton if Lively is not picked, but with Lively, Mavs should see what he has to offer, he shouldn't be counted on this year, but if next year he starts contributing, this year and the next, rotation of Maxi, Holmes, McGee at C is enough.
Wings -- Mavs need more wings or F-C types, I wanted Leonard Miller, Trayce Jackson-Davis went 58, looks like a steal, but given they went for OMP, they can target FAs for this position, Maxi is not a high load guy, and is needed in the PO, OMP is more ready than Lively, but projecting anything more than 15 minutes isn't fair to him.

FA targets:
Bruce Brown -- My fabourite target, 50% chance he's re-signing with DEN, 49% chance he signs 60/4 with the Kings, 1% somewhere else, after the Kings trade, I think Kings are the leading non-Nuggets team to land him, slim chance he goes somewhere else.
Grant Williams -- will take the full MLE, I don't like him as a player, but he fits the slot like a glove.
Harrison Barnes -- will take the full MLE at least, I'm impartial to it, fills important place in depth chart and slides Maxi to the C spot.

TPMLE targets I like:
Thybulle -- smaller than needed, but high upside, his defense is really a difference maker.
Torrey Craig
Mavs should really really consider these 2 if they don't offer Barnes full MLE.

Partial TPMLE:
Cam Reddish
Josh Okogie
Oshae Brisset
Keita Bates Diop
Jalen McDaniels -- had multiple chances to breakout and didn't, wild shot that should be kept for last.

Vets:
THJ -- he's not expendable anymore IMO, unless Mavs want to hand the bench scoring keys to Hardy which is a huge gamble, the team has no natural scorers other than Luka and Kyrie, Hardy is still young and shouldn't be counted on yet, THJ can put up shots, he's also the only volume shooter on roster, Mavs can gamble by trading him, but I don't recommend it.
Bullock -- if the Mavs choose to target smaller guy, he's expendable, he's also expiring, and partially guaranteed, he can be stretch wiaved, and this opens full MLE w/o going into tax.
Maxi is needed, should be load managed in RS, to be kept for the PO, where he is a dependable 30MPG stretch 5.
Holmes fills Powell slot.
Mcgee -- **** McGee, **** Jason Kidd, and **** the Los Angeles Lakers, the Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat.

Trade targets:
Trade targets I like, but I'm not sure how realistic they are:
Taureen Prince -- fits like a glove, but key rotation player in Minny, they got a steal in Leonard Miller in the 2nd rd, and have SloMo and Jaden McDaniels, maybe they trade him for Bullock? Mavs can throw in their only conditional 2nd (2025, conditinal upon Mavs paying 1st to the Knicks, practically guaranteed).
Simone Fontechio -- fits in the TPE (3.1mils due to Holmes trade kicker), didn't work for the Jazz, but can be tried here, Jazz have 14 players on roster before FA/trades.
Robert Covington -- fills the PF slot, maybe for Bullock.

Did someone say Thybulle