RS 23/24 - Mavs vs Clippers (Wed., 830PMEST)

[Bob8]

It doesn't matter, his position is far more important for Mavs than what Josh could bring. And I believe Luka could be exactly the right player for bringing max from Ayton.

Of course it matters, Ayton is overpaid and lazy. Sure Dallas desperately needs another big, but not one making 30 mil a year with his attitude and apathy. AT this point a guy like Robin Lopez, Alex Len, or Thomas Bryant would do, and their salaries are reasonable.

Green and Hardy's regression has hurt this team badly as Khalil said. Hardy just isnt very smart, and Green is a bum who checked out as soon as the ink dried on his new extension.

Agreed.

Not sure why the Mavs would want to sink that much money into a guy who loves playing video games more than basketball or any other center making a decent amount. Lively is playing more mins than I think most of us thought he would so a cheaper big who can be a better spot starter than what the Mavs currently have seems more reasonable.

Funny thing is that they wanted to sink that much money, they just didn't want to include Josh. It looks to me that they can't find that cheap C or we would already have 1 after 5 years of trying and failing miserably few times.

[ejs78]

No Kai, Lively, Green, or Maxi for tomorrow.

That's not good for my sanity.



GO PISTONS !!!!

They have a chance vs Utah this Thursday who will be on a B2B.

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[agentofatlas]

No Lively hurts a ton. The Mavs really need to trade for a back up big with size. I wonder if Drummond is still available.

[41Dirk41]

Of course it matters, Ayton is overpaid and lazy. Sure Dallas desperately needs another big, but not one making 30 mil a year with his attitude and apathy. AT this point a guy like Robin Lopez, Alex Len, or Thomas Bryant would do, and their salaries are reasonable.

Green and Hardy's regression has hurt this team badly as Khalil said. Hardy just isnt very smart, and Green is a bum who checked out as soon as the ink dried on his new extension.

Agreed.

Not sure why the Mavs would want to sink that much money into a guy who loves playing video games more than basketball or any other center making a decent amount. Lively is playing more mins than I think most of us thought he would so a cheaper big who can be a better spot starter than what the Mavs currently have seems more reasonable.

Funny thing is that they wanted to sink that much money, they just didn't want to include Josh. It looks to me that they can't find that cheap C or we would already have 1 after 5 years of trying and failing miserably few times.

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

[ejs78]

Agreed.

Not sure why the Mavs would want to sink that much money into a guy who loves playing video games more than basketball or any other center making a decent amount. Lively is playing more mins than I think most of us thought he would so a cheaper big who can be a better spot starter than what the Mavs currently have seems more reasonable.

Funny thing is that they wanted to sink that much money, they just didn't want to include Josh. It looks to me that they can't find that cheap C or we would already have 1 after 5 years of trying and failing miserably few times.

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

So I state the team needs a better backup center, but I wouldn't take Ayton/another higher price center for various reasons and you come away with I like Powell. The nonsense never ends.

[Mavrelous]

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

There was no need to re-sign Powell, Holmes would've filled his role just fine, but trading for 30m/yr backup center isn't the solution either.

Trayce Jackson Davis was projected 1st rd pick and one the best bigs in college basketball, fell to the last pick in the 2nd rd, and GSW traded crap to get him, he won the game yesterday

[41Dirk41]

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

There was no need to re-sign Powell, Holmes would've filled his role just fine, but trading for 30m/yr backup center isn't the solution either.

Trayce Jackson Davis was projected 1st rd pick and one the best bigs in college basketball, fell to the last pick in the 2nd rd, and GSW traded crap to get him, he won the game yesterday

I don't know if Ayton was the solution or not but I certainly know that Powell is not. But here we are.
Furthermore we are without Kyrie because him. Embarassing.

[Teffer10]

Can someone tell me, which team is as dependant on rookie, who was not even top 10 pick, as Mavs? What that tells about FO?

Chet was 2nd overall, but OKC is just as dependent on him.
They screwed up last year, destroyed every asset the team had, and were left with capped out aging roster, they righted the ship this year, but clearly more work needs to be done.
I also think the regression of Josh Green and Hardy is on the players not the FO, they showed something last year, and disappeared this year.

They could easily got Ayton for very cheap, who's Luka's friend and has the same agent. And if they thought his salary is too much, they should get at least decent backup C. And knowing how small they are, they should get decent , not undersized, Pf too. And we're not talking only about this offseason, but few before this too. It's not normal that you can't play without defensive rookie C.

Josh and Hardy don't even matter much, because they're playing on position, where you have multiple options and 2 superstars. And then you have Grant on 4, only replacement Kleber, who is totally lost second season in a row and Lively with 0 replacements.

Completely agree with all of this 1,000%!!!

Just had the same rant on another board about the failure of Nico to fully address the frontcourt with so many question marks going into the season.
Knowing we had one 7 footer on the team who was a completely unknown rookie, an undersized and injury prone Maxi, an undersized and questionable Holmes, and Powell who has been known to get brutalized by every true center in the league for years was beyond irresponsible and reckless.
Then on top of it, they sign a vastly undersized starting PF, have a raw rookie, and sign an old man in Morris to address the PF position.

This whole frontcourt situation was an utter mess to begin with and it was completely irresponsible and reckless to think Powell and Morris were the main backup plans. Everyone in the world knew the team would have to rely heavily on Powell at some point of the season and it's hard for me to believe the trio of Nico/Cuban/Kidd could begin to think signing that guy was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

Powell should be situational at the very most, and here he is our starter again for God knows how long on a team that supposedly has inspirations to compete for a title.

Good Freakin Grief!!!!!!!!!!!

[daoneandonly]

Chet was 2nd overall, but OKC is just as dependent on him.
They screwed up last year, destroyed every asset the team had, and were left with capped out aging roster, they righted the ship this year, but clearly more work needs to be done.
I also think the regression of Josh Green and Hardy is on the players not the FO, they showed something last year, and disappeared this year.

They could easily got Ayton for very cheap, who's Luka's friend and has the same agent. And if they thought his salary is too much, they should get at least decent backup C. And knowing how small they are, they should get decent , not undersized, Pf too. And we're not talking only about this offseason, but few before this too. It's not normal that you can't play without defensive rookie C.

Josh and Hardy don't even matter much, because they're playing on position, where you have multiple options and 2 superstars. And then you have Grant on 4, only replacement Kleber, who is totally lost second season in a row and Lively with 0 replacements.

Completely agree with all of this 1,000%!!!

Just had the same rant on another board about the failure of Nico to fully address the frontcourt with so many question marks going into the season.
Knowing we had one 7 footer on the team who was a completely unknown rookie, an undersized and injury prone Maxi, an undersized and questionable Holmes, and Powell who has been known to get brutalized by every true center in the league for years was beyond irresponsible and reckless.
Then on top of it, they sign a vastly undersized starting PF, have a raw rookie, and sign an old man in Morris to address the PF position.

This whole frontcourt situation was an utter mess to begin with and it was completely irresponsible and reckless to think Powell and Morris were the main backup plans. Everyone in the world knew the team would have to rely heavily on Powell at some point of the season and it's hard for me to believe the trio of Nico/Cuban/Kidd could begin to think signing that guy was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

Powell should be situational at the very most, and here he is our starter again for God knows how long on a team that supposedly has inspirations to compete for a title.

Good Freakin Grief!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you mean Bad Freakin Kieff

[tleikheen]

While Luka has been scoring 36 ppg on 25 spg on 49 /38 /82 the last 8 games
Kawhi has avg 29 ppg on 17 spg on 62 / 55 / 95 his last 8 games
essentially equaling out each other.

The Clippers are on a high end roll ,9th in offense/6th in defense / 5th in differential
Their last 8 games Harden is shooting 48 (3's) George 44 (3's) Powell 44 (3's) and Zubac 64 (FG) .

Catch and shoot and slow pace isnt beating the Clippers.

[Bob8]

Funny thing is that they wanted to sink that much money, they just didn't want to include Josh. It looks to me that they can't find that cheap C or we would already have 1 after 5 years of trying and failing miserably few times.

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

So I state the team needs a better backup center, but I wouldn't take Ayton/another higher price center for various reasons and you come away with I like Powell. The nonsense never ends.

Why nonsense? Ayton is career 16/10 player. When Mavs had C like that?

[ejs78]

Our FO(and some posters here) is ok with Powell like backup C, it's pretty clear now, there's no point talking about it anymore so it's ok for me too.

So I state the team needs a better backup center, but I wouldn't take Ayton/another higher price center for various reasons and you come away with I like Powell. The nonsense never ends.

Why nonsense? Ayton is career 16/10 player. When Mavs had C like that?

You missed the point.

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[ejs78]

PG13 is out tonight

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[Bob8]

So I state the team needs a better backup center, but I wouldn't take Ayton/another higher price center for various reasons and you come away with I like Powell. The nonsense never ends.

Why nonsense? Ayton is career 16/10 player. When Mavs had C like that?

You missed the point.

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And you didn't answer my previous post.

[ejs78]

Why nonsense? Ayton is career 16/10 player. When Mavs had C like that?

You missed the point.

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And you didn't answer my previous post.

Your question has nothing to do with the point.

If we want to talk about Ayton sure.

The guy likes video games more than basketball

He stated he's playing to get his 2nd contract

He was on a team in the finals and wasn't happy.

He was on a team that won 60 plus games the following year and wanst happy and his team didn't want him

They change coaches to a defensive coach and Vogel said nah I'm good with Nurkic.

You add Ayton you're then stunting the growth of Lively or your going to get a pouty baby in Ayton when he doesn't get his way.

This enough?


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[Bob8]

You missed the point.

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And you didn't answer my previous post.

Your question has nothing to do with the point.

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What is the point? Is 30 mio to much for 16/10, for the team with big hole in position 5? Or you want to have personal discussions with Dirk41?

I really don't care if Mavs make playoffs or not, I want Mavs to win it all. And rookie C is not enough this year, and he won't be enough next year.

[ejs78]

And you didn't answer my previous post.

Your question has nothing to do with the point.

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What is the point? Is 30 mio to much for 16/10, for the team with big hole in position 5? Or you want to have personal discussions with Dirk41?

Bob read the posts and what the response was. Not that difficult to do.

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[Bob8]

Your question has nothing to do with the point.

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What is the point? Is 30 mio to much for 16/10, for the team with big hole in position 5? Or you want to have personal discussions with Dirk41?

Bob read the posts and what the response was. Not that difficult to do.

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And you still didn't answer my direct question to you. Why not?

[ejs78]

What is the point? Is 30 mio to much for 16/10, for the team with big hole in position 5? Or you want to have personal discussions with Dirk41?

Bob read the posts and what the response was. Not that difficult to do.

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And you still didn't answer my direct question to you. Why not?

This is really hard for you today isn't it? Go back and read.

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[Bob8]

You missed the point.

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And you didn't answer my previous post.

Your question has nothing to do with the point.

If we want to talk about Ayton sure.

The guy likes video games more than basketball

He stated he's playing to get his 2nd contract

He was on a team in the finals and wasn't happy.

He was on a team that won 60 plus games the following year and wanst happy and his team didn't want him

They change coaches to a defensive coach and Vogel said nah I'm good with Nurkic.

You add Ayton you're then stunting the growth of Lively or your going to get a pouty baby in Ayton when he doesn't get his way.

This enough?


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No, it isn't. Lively/Ayton combo would make Mavs being only one piece away of being real contender. Now, we're a joke team. And no, we're not getting cheap, useable C, in near future. Josh will not net you anything.