Mavs Pre-season Thread -- Game 4 Vs Bucks October 17th

[Mavrelous]

2 threads about Lively on the GB

[BliscoSantos]

Maxi never averaged less than 20 minutes so you can surely put Naji on SF for a lot of time and consequently Grimes on 2. And I hope very much that Exum is not out for the season. Luka might get away with not playing 100% in D, Hardy can't and with Klay his scoring will be even less needed.

Playing behind 2 superstars and not be specialist for anything would always be difficult for anyone, Mavs simply don't need player like that.

Yeah,but Maxi is finished...his last two seasons were terrible.... he's not getting any Younger and doubt he's gonna be getting same minutes like he used to...honestly,I can see Maxi being dealt along with Hardy,Exum

He might be, but we still need Maxi more than Hardy at the moment. Maxi and Hardy for solid and younger Pf would be great, not sure that's realistic.

We need Maxi from 3 years ago,not this one....Maxi is cooked...dude has one good game out of 10....his agent should have been charged with theft
Relying on Maxi to rediscover his Play is probably Just wishfull thinking

[Bob8]

Yeah,but Maxi is finished...his last two seasons were terrible.... he's not getting any Younger and doubt he's gonna be getting same minutes like he used to...honestly,I can see Maxi being dealt along with Hardy,Exum

He might be, but we still need Maxi more than Hardy at the moment. Maxi and Hardy for solid and younger Pf would be great, not sure that's realistic.

We need Maxi from 3 years ago,not this one....Maxi is cooked...dude has one good game out of 10....his agent should have been charged with theft
Relying on Maxi to rediscover his Play is probably Just wishfull thinking

And even this version of Maxi is averaging almost double of Hardy minutes.

[BliscoSantos]

He might be, but we still need Maxi more than Hardy at the moment. Maxi and Hardy for solid and younger Pf would be great, not sure that's realistic.

We need Maxi from 3 years ago,not this one....Maxi is cooked...dude has one good game out of 10....his agent should have been charged with theft
Relying on Maxi to rediscover his Play is probably Just wishfull thinking

And even this version of Maxi is averaging almost double of Hardy minutes.

Yeah, he's averaging the minutes but what is he giving the team...what is his contribution? This version of Maxi was playing only because there were no alternatives, kind of like Powell used to Play before Lively/Gafford....I think that now you can manage to scratch his minutes against most teams

[dirkforpres]

2 threads about Lively on the GB

And still not enough

[Darren]

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern?

What kind of wild expectations did you have after watching them for couple of minutes in a 1 preseason game??

Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ.

Shutdown Ja Morant and Marcus Smart. The Mavs can't defend anyone against Boston not long ago. Grimes has a highlight defense play against Ja during rookie season. I expect the defense to be significantly better. The Mavs can't even shut down Pippen. This is really bad for a contender.

[Archx]

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern?

What kind of wild expectations did you have after watching them for couple of minutes in a 1 preseason game??

Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ.

Shutdown Ja Morant and Marcus Smart. The Mavs can't defend anyone against Boston not long ago. Grimes has a highlight defense play against Ja during rookie season. I expect the defense to be significantly better. The Mavs can't even shut down Pippen. This is really bad for a contender.

To make you feel better, no one took the game seriously on defensive end. There were no real rotations or help aside from Lively. 20 games in then you can properly judge but not after 15 mins of one preseason game.

[Mavrelous]

Game 2 is tomorrow against the Jazz in DAL, 7 PM local time.
Kyrie and Klay will likely play, but we'll see...

[Maverick41]

Our regular rotation less Luka and PJ got pretty much blown out by the Jazz. Preseason though so lot of the guys looked like they were going through the motions, particularly defensively.

Everything changed once Gortman checked in in the 2nd half. He brought energy, scoring, stablity and hustle. I've really liked what I've seen from him so far. I'd sign him at the 2 way spot easily over Brandon Williams and AJ Lawson at this point. If we don't pick him up, another team definitely will.

[Mavrelous]

Our regular rotation less Luka and PJ got pretty much blown out by the Jazz. Preseason though so lot of the guys looked like they were going through the motions, particularly defensively.

Everything changed once Gortman checked in in the 2nd half. He brought energy, scoring, stablity and hustle. I've really liked what I've seen from him so far. I'd sign him at the 2 way spot easily over Brandon Williams and AJ Lawson at this point. If we don't pick him up, another team definitely will.

Team barely hanged on with Kyrie on the floor, and just lost it w/o him, Offense wasn't good either, and rebounding, PJ was missed, Kessler ate Lively alive if we're being honest, Gafford was a better matchup.
Klay isn't good at creating, we already knew, Dinwiddie is either really cold to start the season or washed.

[Maverick41]

Dinwiddie looks washed so far. I'm hoping it's just him not caring so much about preseason. Shot is unreliable and looks like he lost a step so i'm leaning towards the former. Happy to be wrong.

[41Dirk41]

This is why we need 2 centers rotation... Every game is a different match up.
Obviously without Luka our Cs lost a lot of offensive potential.

Not a great game at all but the young kid looks good.

[41Dirk41]

However every time i see Markaneen i remember when Chicago traded him for peanuts (and a lot of people here didn't want trade Kleber for him).
That's hurt.

[Darren]

OMax is the only starter with a plus on the floor.
Gortman leads the team for plus-minus.
Sharp is really sharp.
Gafford is motivated to fight while everyone else is still in holiday mood.

The veterans get outplayed by Klesser and Markkanen.

[Mavrelous]

Main takeaways for me from the 2 games:
1. Only 2 PF on roster are PJ and Maxi.
2. Backup PG is a concern.

[daoneandonly]

Well that game sucked. Just preseason so dont want to read too much into it. But my initial fear with Thompson was this version of him, if his shot isnt falling he's fairly useless, and that happened in this particular game. Dinwiddie hasnt been good in quite a while

[Apz]

The positive i take from it is that omax seems much more under control when he does stuff.

[mademan]

The positive i take from it is that omax seems much more under control when he does stuff.

His activity will be useful during the long season, especially with injuries, and he should get real minutes this year. I cant believe Klay will be a long term starter though, so we'll see how the roster shakes out. At some point, Kidd will have to make the tough decision and go back to what worked out so well last year, and that was putting 3 athletic, defensive players beside Kyrie/Luka

[daoneandonly]

The positive i take from it is that omax seems much more under control when he does stuff.

His activity will be useful during the long season, especially with injuries, and he should get real minutes this year. I cant believe Klay will be a long term starter though, so we'll see how the roster shakes out. At some point, Kidd will have to make the tough decision and go back to what worked out so well last year, and that was putting 3 athletic, defensive players beside Kyrie/Luka

Yea I think the starting SF spot should be a battle between Grimes and Marshall, with Klay the microwave scorer off the bench. But eh does not seem open to the idea

[41Dirk41]

The positive i take from it is that omax seems much more under control when he does stuff.

His activity will be useful during the long season, especially with injuries, and he should get real minutes this year. I cant believe Klay will be a long term starter though, so we'll see how the roster shakes out. At some point, Kidd will have to make the tough decision and go back to what worked out so well last year, and that was putting 3 athletic, defensive players beside Kyrie/Luka

Yea I think the starting SF spot should be a battle between Grimes and Marshall, with Klay the microwave scorer off the bench. But eh does not seem open to the idea

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