GermanFan120 wrote:I wonder what's Klay's trade value now.
Nobody cares because we will not trade Klay

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GermanFan120 wrote:I wonder what's Klay's trade value now.
41Dirk41 wrote:GermanFan120 wrote:I wonder what's Klay's trade value now.
Nobody cares because we will not trade Klay
GermanFan120 wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:GermanFan120 wrote:I wonder what's Klay's trade value now.
Nobody cares because we will not trade Klay
With the 2 Wins, Kidd should stay for another 70 years.
Teffer10 wrote:Great 4 minute finish to the game.
I'm wondering if Dinwiddie has been holding Hardy back this year.
So what happens when Luka and Kyrie come back...what role will Hardy play and will he be able to get minutes?
And then if/when Exum comes back, how will that affect the rotation?
Does Hardy's recent play make Dinwiddie somewhat expendable in a trade?
Not sure he has any value other than salary filler but it is beginning to appear we'll have a log jam at guard.
Mavrelous wrote:Teffer10 wrote:Great 4 minute finish to the game.
I'm wondering if Dinwiddie has been holding Hardy back this year.
So what happens when Luka and Kyrie come back...what role will Hardy play and will he be able to get minutes?
And then if/when Exum comes back, how will that affect the rotation?
Does Hardy's recent play make Dinwiddie somewhat expendable in a trade?
Not sure he has any value other than salary filler but it is beginning to appear we'll have a log jam at guard.
Nope, Hardy is terrible iso player and weak ball handler, he should just shoot and attack close outs, Dinwiddie is terrible also, but he's a better ball handler and off the dribble shooter.
Teffer10 wrote:Great 4 minute finish to the game.
I'm wondering if Dinwiddie has been holding Hardy back this year.
So what happens when Luka and Kyrie come back...what role will Hardy play and will he be able to get minutes?
And then if/when Exum comes back, how will that affect the rotation?
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Archx wrote:Teffer10 wrote:Great 4 minute finish to the game.
I'm wondering if Dinwiddie has been holding Hardy back this year.
So what happens when Luka and Kyrie come back...what role will Hardy play and will he be able to get minutes?
And then if/when Exum comes back, how will that affect the rotation?
Kidd is holding back Klay and Hardy not Dinwiddie. Both are best as catch&shoot guys. It's been more and more evident in the past few games.
If anyone is wondering what is wrong with Kidd's coaching, first 6 minutes of Portland game basically show it all. Couldn't score for 6 minutes and Kidd doesn't take a single TO to draw up a nice play to get them going. You have Klay on your team and the only shot he takes in that time is a forced 3, with ZERO plays for a scorer like him and you struggle to score. That's also why Klay has way better shooting and scoring %'s with Luka.
When Luka comes back, Mavs will go back to PnR action spam (hopefully) because that's the best thing they can do. I know some fans love role players passing around the ball because it's "good for the eyes" but Mavs right now have a -7.5 ORTG without Luka and that's HUGE.
I hope Exum comes back soon because they need his defense and it would mean less Spencer "20 sec dribble" Dinwiddie. I can't stand watching this guy run offense, it's a total **** show. Plus he's a black hole on defense as well.
joesha1698 wrote:Archx wrote:Teffer10 wrote:Great 4 minute finish to the game.
I'm wondering if Dinwiddie has been holding Hardy back this year.
So what happens when Luka and Kyrie come back...what role will Hardy play and will he be able to get minutes?
And then if/when Exum comes back, how will that affect the rotation?
Kidd is holding back Klay and Hardy not Dinwiddie. Both are best as catch&shoot guys. It's been more and more evident in the past few games.
If anyone is wondering what is wrong with Kidd's coaching, first 6 minutes of Portland game basically show it all. Couldn't score for 6 minutes and Kidd doesn't take a single TO to draw up a nice play to get them going. You have Klay on your team and the only shot he takes in that time is a forced 3, with ZERO plays for a scorer like him and you struggle to score. That's also why Klay has way better shooting and scoring %'s with Luka.
When Luka comes back, Mavs will go back to PnR action spam (hopefully) because that's the best thing they can do. I know some fans love role players passing around the ball because it's "good for the eyes" but Mavs right now have a -7.5 ORTG without Luka and that's HUGE.
I hope Exum comes back soon because they need his defense and it would mean less Spencer "20 sec dribble" Dinwiddie. I can't stand watching this guy run offense, it's a total **** show. Plus he's a black hole on defense as well.
Its not because its good for the eyes. it's because penetrating, touching paint, ball movement, gets you a better shot and more people involve making your offense more dynamic and forcing the defense to work harder, which tires them out. In the long term, this keeps the defense on their feet and makes us more unpredictable on offense. It's also giving the role players the chance to the develop the habits and confidence to step up and not be overly dependent on one or two players to create all the offense. In the playoffs and in big games - this will bear fruit...last thing you want is to be in a big game and luka or kyrie (are having a bad game or series or getting double teammate) and the others are not use to stepping up without someone spoon feeding them.
When Luka is running the pick and roll (because he slow to get into the offense) it allows the defense to set up and really everyone is standing around. So, the pick and roll is a great weapon but its more important for guys to be confident and capable of stepping up if we want to win big. Boston just won a ring without 1 guy dominating the ball as much as Luka. I would actually argue that point guard dominate offenses typically dont win in the NBA per history. (ive made this argument a lot)
I do agree that Klay and Hardy are great catch and shoot guys. On the same token, Exum, Luka, and Kyrie are out - this forces Hardy into more of a ball handler role which is not his best asset. He is okay as a ball handler and a above handler playmaker. His best quality is his catch and shoot ability right now. I think Kidd can do a better job of defining roles.
Kidd recently asked the team not to take contested threes, re-penetrate, get into the lane and get a teammate an even better shot. You'll seen Maxi do a lot of that lately for that very reason. I think it's a good thing. This is a big trend in the league. Not taking the first 3 (if its contested) but penetrating and drawing the defense in ands getting a better. Boston does a lot of this.
Archx wrote:joesha1698 wrote:Archx wrote:
Kidd is holding back Klay and Hardy not Dinwiddie. Both are best as catch&shoot guys. It's been more and more evident in the past few games.
If anyone is wondering what is wrong with Kidd's coaching, first 6 minutes of Portland game basically show it all. Couldn't score for 6 minutes and Kidd doesn't take a single TO to draw up a nice play to get them going. You have Klay on your team and the only shot he takes in that time is a forced 3, with ZERO plays for a scorer like him and you struggle to score. That's also why Klay has way better shooting and scoring %'s with Luka.
When Luka comes back, Mavs will go back to PnR action spam (hopefully) because that's the best thing they can do. I know some fans love role players passing around the ball because it's "good for the eyes" but Mavs right now have a -7.5 ORTG without Luka and that's HUGE.
I hope Exum comes back soon because they need his defense and it would mean less Spencer "20 sec dribble" Dinwiddie. I can't stand watching this guy run offense, it's a total **** show. Plus he's a black hole on defense as well.
Its not because its good for the eyes. it's because penetrating, touching paint, ball movement, gets you a better shot and more people involve making your offense more dynamic and forcing the defense to work harder, which tires them out. In the long term, this keeps the defense on their feet and makes us more unpredictable on offense. It's also giving the role players the chance to the develop the habits and confidence to step up and not be overly dependent on one or two players to create all the offense. In the playoffs and in big games - this will bear fruit...last thing you want is to be in a big game and luka or kyrie (are having a bad game or series or getting double teammate) and the others are not use to stepping up without someone spoon feeding them.
When Luka is running the pick and roll (because he slow to get into the offense) it allows the defense to set up and really everyone is standing around. So, the pick and roll is a great weapon but its more important for guys to be confident and capable of stepping up if we want to win big. Boston just won a ring without 1 guy dominating the ball as much as Luka. I would actually argue that point guard dominate offenses typically dont win in the NBA per history. (ive made this argument a lot)
I do agree that Klay and Hardy are great catch and shoot guys. On the same token, Exum, Luka, and Kyrie are out - this forces Hardy into more of a ball handler role which is not his best asset. He is okay as a ball handler and a above handler playmaker. His best quality is his catch and shoot ability right now. I think Kidd can do a better job of defining roles.
Kidd recently asked the team not to take contested threes, re-penetrate, get into the lane and get a teammate an even better shot. You'll seen Maxi do a lot of that lately for that very reason. I think it's a good thing. This is a big trend in the league. Not taking the first 3 (if its contested) but penetrating and drawing the defense in ands getting a better. Boston does a lot of this.
Mavs got to the finals with the way Luka plays and role players stepped up a lot in spite of how Luka plays or i could argue BECAUSE how Luka plays. Doesn't matter, they got there, it works plain and simple.
In the finals everyone **** the bed, including Kyrie who is historically immune to any type of bad offensive schemes. Role players were missing easy open shots, that was it, no rocket science behind it.
After the Portland game Mavs still have -6 ORTG on offense without Luka running the show, that's not a small number, simple as that.
Barkley the other day said, Kidd is a genius for slowing down game vs Lakers and let Mavs beat them in half court. That's weird, because people always said Luka needs to play faster in order for offense to function better... Why is suddenly Kidd a genius when he does that but when Luka is doing it, it's not ok? How is that possible, where is the logic? We literally have the freaking numbers to back up what Mavs fans see and watch.
Some people simply can't comprehend that Luka is one of the best half court players of all time and his style works. Under Rick Mavs even ended with nr1 rated offense for the season.
WITHOUT Luka on the floor Mavs offense equals 10th best, WITH Luka ON the floor Mavs offense equals 3rd best.
If you're paid 15M per season to freaking play basketball you better make some plays or shots when you're called up and you get handed open shot after open shot on a platter, otherwise what the hell are you even doing there?
Archx wrote:joesha1698 wrote:Archx wrote:
Kidd is holding back Klay and Hardy not Dinwiddie. Both are best as catch&shoot guys. It's been more and more evident in the past few games.
If anyone is wondering what is wrong with Kidd's coaching, first 6 minutes of Portland game basically show it all. Couldn't score for 6 minutes and Kidd doesn't take a single TO to draw up a nice play to get them going. You have Klay on your team and the only shot he takes in that time is a forced 3, with ZERO plays for a scorer like him and you struggle to score. That's also why Klay has way better shooting and scoring %'s with Luka.
When Luka comes back, Mavs will go back to PnR action spam (hopefully) because that's the best thing they can do. I know some fans love role players passing around the ball because it's "good for the eyes" but Mavs right now have a -7.5 ORTG without Luka and that's HUGE.
I hope Exum comes back soon because they need his defense and it would mean less Spencer "20 sec dribble" Dinwiddie. I can't stand watching this guy run offense, it's a total **** show. Plus he's a black hole on defense as well.
Its not because its good for the eyes. it's because penetrating, touching paint, ball movement, gets you a better shot and more people involve making your offense more dynamic and forcing the defense to work harder, which tires them out. In the long term, this keeps the defense on their feet and makes us more unpredictable on offense. It's also giving the role players the chance to the develop the habits and confidence to step up and not be overly dependent on one or two players to create all the offense. In the playoffs and in big games - this will bear fruit...last thing you want is to be in a big game and luka or kyrie (are having a bad game or series or getting double teammate) and the others are not use to stepping up without someone spoon feeding them.
When Luka is running the pick and roll (because he slow to get into the offense) it allows the defense to set up and really everyone is standing around. So, the pick and roll is a great weapon but its more important for guys to be confident and capable of stepping up if we want to win big. Boston just won a ring without 1 guy dominating the ball as much as Luka. I would actually argue that point guard dominate offenses typically dont win in the NBA per history. (ive made this argument a lot)
I do agree that Klay and Hardy are great catch and shoot guys. On the same token, Exum, Luka, and Kyrie are out - this forces Hardy into more of a ball handler role which is not his best asset. He is okay as a ball handler and a above handler playmaker. His best quality is his catch and shoot ability right now. I think Kidd can do a better job of defining roles.
Kidd recently asked the team not to take contested threes, re-penetrate, get into the lane and get a teammate an even better shot. You'll seen Maxi do a lot of that lately for that very reason. I think it's a good thing. This is a big trend in the league. Not taking the first 3 (if its contested) but penetrating and drawing the defense in ands getting a better. Boston does a lot of this.
Mavs got to the finals with the way Luka plays and role players stepped up a lot in spite of how Luka plays or i could argue BECAUSE how Luka plays. Doesn't matter, they got there, it works plain and simple.
In the finals everyone **** the bed, including Kyrie who is historically immune to any type of bad offensive schemes. Role players were missing easy open shots, that was it, no rocket science behind it.
After the Portland game Mavs still have -6 ORTG on offense without Luka running the show, that's not a small number, simple as that.
Barkley the other day said, Kidd is a genius for slowing down game vs Lakers and let Mavs beat them in half court. That's weird, because people always said Luka needs to play faster in order for offense to function better... Why is suddenly Kidd a genius when he does that but when Luka is doing it, it's not ok? How is that possible, where is the logic? We literally have the freaking numbers to back up what Mavs fans see and watch.
Some people simply can't comprehend that Luka is one of the best half court players of all time and his style works. Under Rick Mavs even ended with nr1 rated offense for the season.
WITHOUT Luka on the floor Mavs offense equals 10th best, WITH Luka ON the floor Mavs offense equals 3rd best.
If you're paid 15M per season to freaking play basketball you better make some plays or shots when you're called up and you get handed open shot after open shot on a platter, otherwise what the hell are you even doing there?