Harrison Barnes

[Mylie10]

His scoring numbers are gonna go up merely based on usage next season. So the hope is that he can maintain his percentages. I'd be shocked if he improved his percentages, but it could happen.

He has worked very hard at his post up, mid range game. Also the jab step and drive by. It's not yet natural for him, but the guy works really hard.

What I'd like to see is how they use him as a rebounder. He has the potential to rebound at a higher rate, but with the Warriors, they were so adamant about getting back on defense, that he wasn't able to go hard after offensive rebounds. On the defensive side of the ball for rebounds, I just don't think it was as high a priority as it might be for other teams.

[Dirk]

Barnes vs Nigeria: https://streamable.com/sr8r

Final stats after the 5 exhibition games.

[2011Champs]

Barnes should be fine unless Mavs try to
depend on him for any rebounding at all. Those are some sad rebounding numbers that a point guard would put up, not from a rather large small forward.

[Darren]

http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/k7AP96iXXKCprUiXyfO

He plays some minutes at 1st quarter. From what I observe, he's much rooms to improve. His defensive versatility is overrated. Whenever he switches to Aminu's brother, he's in trouble. While he switches to a pointguard, he's got blowed past. He's neither quick enough against certain players nor strong enough to hold his own against ordinary PF. Offensively, he doesn't seem to use the screen properly to create enough space for himself. But once he does, he gets his layup. He's trouble converting them, though. I wonder why. But those layups look good. His shot releases can be quicker. As a comparison, Klay Thompson shoots 2X quicker than he does. The interesting scenario is coach K actually plays him as a big 2 instead of a 3. And he does start him in favor of Klay Thompson. I have to admit Aminu's brother's something in his game, though.

Alade Aminu, 28, had averaged 20.9 PPG, 10.0 RPG, 1.2 APG, 2.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG with only 1.7 TO and 4.1 PF per 36 minutes in d-league for BAK during 2009-10 season. He's only played 9 games overall, though. He's listed at 6-10/6-11.
http://www.afrobasket.com/Nigeria/news/451475/Alade-Aminu-(ex-Hapoel-Eilat)-may-sign-at-Usak

I start to add another concerns to our to do list. All 3 wing defenders (Matthews, Anderson, Barnes) seem to have trouble to stay in front of quicker players. That could give us serious troubles against elite teams. I really don't like the fact that the Mavs try to bulk up JA and HB to defend the 4. We need either to defend quicker 1-3.

[Mr B]

I think both will be fine. Once Carlisle really gets a chance to coach Barnes on a daily basis and he get integrated into the defensive schemes here he'll look a lot better on defense, especially with Bogut manning the paint.

[Johnstarks]

He's an adequate defender but not nothing special. I think you're really going to see the warts in his offensive game in Dallas, particularly since you guys lost your best playmaker. I think dallas struggles to get to .500 this year. Injuries are a big concern and the starters have a lot bigger names than games at this stage of their career. These guys in their primes woulda been a contender. You're the knicks of the west though unfortunately in my opinion

[SOUNDCHASER]

Its a matter of playing smarter and not overextending the vets and if we can do so we are okay. RC knows how to keep his guys healthy and winning so having him makes a huge difference that takes off the years to make our guys play younger.

Sure Deron and Wes were hurt at one time but now they are starting another year together and finally healthy so chemistry and being comfortable with your team is important plus Wes was going to need to go through last years healing process so that he could be fully back this season which he should show signs of being back early on. If Deron stays healthy against OKC the mavs would possibly have taken another game from the Thunder. He was one of our top performers and maybe our best in that series.

Barnes and Bogut are already use to each other ditto with regard to Curry and Acy this makes fitting in less stressful and chemistry development is enhanced. I expect Curry to be the big surprise this year and both Barnes and Bogut to get more of an important role here.

As for Dirk? Dirk will take over when he needs to but I expect him to be an on the court coach who defers to his teammates in order to help get them going. We won't suffer from a major piece of our offense going down at the 3 this season, Barnes is stout and has a nice history of staying health plus he is a better defender. Dirk and Bogut will get treated with kid gloves so they can stay healthy. I expect a lot of games where they both are rested and probably in back to backs.

I see Dallas as evolving into a team having a very balanced offensive game that takes pride more in defense to win. If the 2nd team comes together then I see the vets getting enough rest to make us fully charged and dangerous in the playoffs.

Anderson Curry JJB Harris Mejri Powell and Acy is a versatile bench with lots of guys who can play at more than one position. Anderson Harris Curry Powell and Acy all will play at more than one position. Mejri probably could play some PF as well as center and JJB has been used as a SG so it's possible all of the primary bench players can be used to backup more than one position. If someone goes down that is important.

Deron goes down we have JJB, Curry and Harris
Wes goes Down we have Harris, Anderson and Curry
Barnes goes down we have Anderson, Wes and Acy
Dirk goes down we have Powell, Barnes, and Acy plus maybe even Bogut can play PF http://www.believethehypenba.com/2016/08/08/watch-andrew-bogut-outchea-punking-serbia-from-deep/
Bogut goes down we have Mejri, Powell, Dirk, Acy, and Hammons who I think is going to be a great guy to develop for the playoffs this year. At any rate that is 3 or more ready to contribute at all 5 positions and depending on who else is added to fill out the roster the depth could be even more impressive

Start the free AJ chants now guys. I just know he will develop into a great center for us.

[Darren]

Barnes should be fine unless Mavs try to
depend on him for any rebounding at all. Those are some sad rebounding numbers that a point guard would put up, not from a rather large small forward.

That's my point. He's more a 2 than a 4.

[Darren]

He's an adequate defender but not nothing special. I think you're really going to see the warts in his offensive game in Dallas, particularly since you guys lost your best playmaker. I think dallas struggles to get to .500 this year. Injuries are a big concern and the starters have a lot bigger names than games at this stage of their career. These guys in their primes woulda been a contender. You're the knicks of the west though unfortunately in my opinion

Yes, the "best" playmaker that never play enough when it matter the most. By the way, I don't think he's the best on the roster last season. Why bother? We know Harrison Barnes is more about hype than skills. But he's already surprised some of us. I hope he shocks us pretty soon. The road to contend is tougher than ever. I can't wait to see GSW-OKC rematch at first round.

[bobsquad]

Barnes should be fine unless Mavs try to
depend on him for any rebounding at all. Those are some sad rebounding numbers that a point guard would put up, not from a rather large small forward.

That's my point. He's more a 2 than a 4.

That's what I would have said about Parsons too, though. Parsons was honestly a pretty bad rebounder for his size.

[Darren]

Do you think it is better off to ask Harrison Barnes to guard like Shawn Marion instead of his usage self? With a 7-foot wingspan, he should be able to block some shots and gather some steals. Instead of bulking him up, I'd rather see him run a little more like Matrix did. Even Matrix gets a max deal in his prime, being a versatile defender, fastbreak runner and outside threats with occasional scores in paint are enough to justify his contract, I believe. It's always great to have at least 2 playmakers in starting lineup, though.

[Teffer10]

You're the knicks of the west though unfortunately in my opinion

Hmmmm....didn't realize the Knicks have been in the POs 15 of the last 16 seasons.
Must have been because they were in that really tough Eastern Conf.

[Johnstarks]

You're the knicks of the west though unfortunately in my opinion

Hmmmm....didn't realize the Knicks have been in the POs 15 of the last 16 seasons.
Must have been because they were in that really tough Eastern Conf.

No I meant you have a lot of recognizable names but they aren't good players anymore

[Dirk]

It's not a bad comparison, but I'm pretty sure that Williams/Bogut are a better duo than Rose/Noah. Noah also got a bad contract considering how bad he's been lately. Rose is expiring, so that's ok. The Knicks have Porzingis, so overall, going forward they are in a better place to build. For what is worth, next season, I am confident the Mavs will be a better team than them.

[Texas Chuck]

It's not a bad comparison, but I'm pretty sure that Williams/Bogut are a better duo than Rose/Noah. Noah also got a bad contract considering how bad he's been lately. Rose is expiring, so that's ok. The Knicks have Porzingis, so overall, going forward they are in a better place to build. For what is worth, next season, I am confident the Mavs will be a better team than them.

Agree with all of this. And if the Knicks season goes south like I expect(Rose injured or sucking at basketball, Noah injured) then maybe Melo will consent to being traded. And that would provide them with potentially more assets and would generate a ton of flexibility moving forward.

But right now Melo is holding the Knicks franchise hostage kinda like how Dirk is Dallas. The difference being Dirk delivered here for 15 years including a title and is universally beloved.

I think the Knicks made the wrong call doubling down on Melo this off-season. I would have called his bluff on not wanting to be dealt and looked to the future this off-season rather than signing vets to long-term deals and bringing in Rose who I think will be a major negative on and off the court this year.

[Teffer10]

You're the knicks of the west though unfortunately in my opinion

Hmmmm....didn't realize the Knicks have been in the POs 15 of the last 16 seasons.
Must have been because they were in that really tough Eastern Conf.

No I meant you have a lot of recognizable names but they aren't good players anymore

Ahh....understand your point now.

[Johnstarks]

It's not a bad comparison, but I'm pretty sure that Williams/Bogut are a better duo than Rose/Noah. Noah also got a bad contract considering how bad he's been lately. Rose is expiring, so that's ok. The Knicks have Porzingis, so overall, going forward they are in a better place to build. For what is worth, next season, I am confident the Mavs will be a better team than them.

I don't disagree with any of that. Except I think they'll both win about 35-44 games depending on how healthy they are. I cant see a whole lot of upside potential for dallas... like 50+ wins seems seriously unlikely. The knicks have 48-50 win potential if porzingis made the leap this year, Noah returned to form, rose played like he did in the 2nd half, and Melo is healthy. That's a whole lot more ifs than anyone should be comfortable banking on but I guess it's my way of saying the likely results are about the same with the mavs a more likely playoff team. But I'd rather bet on the knicks than mavs if i had to bet my life on a team making it out of the first round given your capped upside and likely first round opponent.

I don't think dirk or deron are capable of returning to form. I think bogut will be about the same. And barnes is gonna be barnes. He's had "potential" for years he's still living off his high school ranking and comparisons to kobe. He's not gonna overnight become a go to scorer, passer, or lock down defender. He's just a guy who can play both ends and helps Free up space for your other players.

With bogut screening ability and all of your shooting you will surprise people. Kinda like before the Rondo trade when you could just outscore teams. And bogut makes you better defensively but not more so than chandler did. And bogut can't dive like chandler.




The rose trade I was on board with because he's expiring and kp is a natural Center anyway. Spacing is much better with him at the 5 and Melo at the 4 once you get to the playoffs (no way you can just use those guys there all regular season though). So getting rid of a long term deal at center makes sense to beef up the wings with Courtney lee. But then giving noah a huge contract was an absolute disaster over guys who are entering their primes like mahinmi or cheaper options like ezeli. They could have shopped for noel, zeller, etc as well. I don't think it's really possible noah can have a lot left In the tank but If I'm wrong the knicks would be pretty good.

Rose post all star break numbers indicate he's got something left in the tank and it was worth a one year flyer since the knicks had absolutely no options at pg and the draft is loaded at pg next year.

[Texas Chuck]

But I'd rather bet on the knicks than mavs if i had to bet my life on a team making it out of the first round given your capped upside and likely first round opponent.

Oh no doubt. If everything goes well for the Knicks they have the potential to be a better team than Dallas if everything goes well for us.

[Darren]

I think Barnes can capitalize his advantage with 7-foot wingspan. He can stretch his arms to the biggest angles to create spaces for wide open layup. Not even SFs with ordinary size can guard him. To enhance his overall quickness and explosiveness is the key. Think if Barnes can develop an efficient moves by a somewhat up-and-under. At the first steps, he can raise the ball high for a fake or for a layup depending on how defenders react. If defenders jump, then drive pass him with another step for a wideopen layup. If defenders do not bike on the fakes, lay it up during the first step in motion. As long as he can develop such a layup, he gets his first go-to move. Converting them at high rates, he will start to draw double-teams early. Assume he's driven past his man, he can actually draw one or two interior defender(s) in the process. Then, somebody should be opened for a 3. With the deadeye shooters on roster, we can find an effective way to score. If we can somewhat improve our offensive numbers, our defense will come up big for us to win a lot of game. So stretch his arms and make a bigger step play dividends in his game offensively. And he can get more steals and blocks against good matchups. He can get some fastbreak points as well. It's not that difficult to increase his average from 13-14 PPG (per 36 min) to 16-18 PPG (per 36 min). He has to change some habits and practice layups in certain ways. A move like Manu or Harden should be enough for him. If he can improve his explosiveness, then he's a big positive on court.

I am just throwing out ideas in mad scientist approach. We're a team that enjoy favorable mismatches. That's how we make Dirk unguardible with his combination of length and his shots. I think we can find the right mix to capitalize his advantage with long wingspan. I think Justin Anderson has the same edge as well.

[michaelm]

I think Barnes can capitalize his advantage with 7-foot wingspan. He can stretch his arms to the biggest angles to create spaces for wide open layup. Not even SFs with ordinary size can guard him. To enhance his overall quickness and explosiveness is the key. Think if Barnes can develop an efficient moves by a somewhat up-and-under. At the first steps, he can raise the ball high for a fake or for a layup depending on how defenders react. If defenders jump, then drive pass him with another step for a wideopen layup. If defenders do not bike on the fakes, lay it up during the first step in motion. As long as he can develop such a layup, he gets his first go-to move. Converting them at high rates, he will start to draw double-teams early. Assume he's driven past his man, he can actually draw one or two interior defender(s) in the process. Then, somebody should be opened for a 3. With the deadeye shooters on roster, we can find an effective way to score. If we can somewhat improve our offensive numbers, our defense will come up big for us to win a lot of game. So stretch his arms and make a bigger step play dividends in his game offensively. And he can get more steals and blocks against good matchups. He can get some fastbreak points as well. It's not that difficult to increase his average from 13-14 PPG (per 36 min) to 16-18 PPG (per 36 min). He has to change some habits and practice layups in certain ways. A move like Manu or Harden should be enough for him. If he can improve his explosiveness, then he's a big positive on court.

I am just throwing out ideas in mad scientist approach. We're a team that enjoy favorable mismatches. That's how we make Dirk unguardible with his combination of length and his shots. I think we can find the right mix to capitalize his advantage with long wingspan. I think Justin Anderson has the same edge as well.

If the Mavs have acquired early-the-most-recent-season-Barnes-before-the-high-ankle-sprain, or play-off Barnes from seasons prior, he is a valuable property. When he did well at GSW it was mainly as a small ball power forward rather than as small forward though.

He is mainly disdained by GSW followers now, but imo was looking pretty good last season prior to the ankle injury.