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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#201 » by ejs78 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:49 pm

Here's why you do this.

Its a swing for the fences move that gets you probably THJ and Powells contract for Drummond and an expiring Galloway. Drummond wants the bag of money and is likely leaving Detroit regardless (i live in Detroit) things don't work out he could very well leave Dallas as well give us money to spend on upgrades or 1 year rentals until the big 2021 FA class. Upgrading or equaling THJ and Powell won't be hard.

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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#202 » by J_T » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:56 pm

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ejs78 wrote:The trade talk for Drummond here in Detroit has begun. Pistons taking to Hawks and others (maybe Dallas)

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Can't imagine Drummond being a target for the Mavs unless Detroit is willing to take Powell which I doubt they would have interest.
There is no way the Mavs will trade THJ for someone like Drummond and I doubt they would give up Brunson.
Powell/Lee/Jackson/GSW Pick would be something I would consider but think Detroit would get better offers.

I'd be shocked if Mavs give up any assets for a center.

Yeah, it's nonsense.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#203 » by Teffer10 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:05 pm

ejs78 wrote:Here's why you do this.

Its a swing for the fences move that gets you probably THJ and Powells contract for Drummond and an expiring Galloway. Drummond wants the bag of money and is likely leaving Detroit regardless (i live in Detroit) things don't work out he could very well leave Dallas as well give us money to spend on upgrades or 1 year rentals until the big 2021 FA class. Upgrading or equaling THJ and Powell won't be hard.

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I just don't see the Mavs giving up THJ for a rebounder who isn't even a good fit. The Mavs need rebounding no doubt but not at that cost.
Like I said if they are willing to take back Powell and Lee along with some 2nd rounders and maybe Jackson and/or Brunson I could see them making the deal. Celts, Raps and Hawks can make much better offers because they have 1st round picks and would most likely be willing to give up more because Drummond would be a much better fit.

I'll be more than shocked if Drummond is a Mav by the TDL.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#204 » by ejs78 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:09 pm

Galloways shooting could also becoming back. It also depends on where Drummond wants to go. We all know players today get what they want.
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ejs78 wrote:Here's why you do this.

Its a swing for the fences move that gets you probably THJ and Powells contract for Drummond and an expiring Galloway. Drummond wants the bag of money and is likely leaving Detroit regardless (i live in Detroit) things don't work out he could very well leave Dallas as well give us money to spend on upgrades or 1 year rentals until the big 2021 FA class. Upgrading or equaling THJ and Powell won't be hard.

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I just don't see the Mavs giving up THJ for a rebounder who isn't even a good fit. The Mavs need rebounding no doubt but not at that cost.
Like I said if they are willing to take back Powell and Lee along with some 2nd rounders and maybe Jackson and/or Brunson I could see them making the deal. Celts, Raps and Hawks can make much better offers because they have 1st round picks and would most likely be willing to give up more because Drummond would be a much better fit.

I'll be more than shocked if Drummond is a Mav by the TDL.


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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#205 » by dirkforpres » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:09 pm

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Curious if it would cost much more than Powell, Lee, GSW pick. Dallas desperately could use a roll man next to Luka and an interior defender so hopefully Nellie is working the phones
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#206 » by J_T » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:30 pm

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Curious if it would cost much more than Powell, Lee, GSW pick. Dallas desperately could use a roll man next to Luka and an interior defender so hopefully Nellie is working the phones

Powell has literally the best defensive RPM in the team and is 39th in the league. Drummond is 95th.
Powell scores 1.2 points per P&R possession, Drummond 0.95.

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Post#207 » by ejs78 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:41 pm

The thing with the P n R numbers is one has Luka feeding him the other has Brown or Frazier.

However Drummond is an overrated defender.
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Curious if it would cost much more than Powell, Lee, GSW pick. Dallas desperately could use a roll man next to Luka and an interior defender so hopefully Nellie is working the phones

Powell has literally the best defensive RPM in the team and is 39th in the league. Drummond is 95th.
Powell scores 1.2 points per P&R possession, Drummond 0.95.

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Post#208 » by dirkforpres » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:49 pm

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dirkforpres wrote:
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Curious if it would cost much more than Powell, Lee, GSW pick. Dallas desperately could use a roll man next to Luka and an interior defender so hopefully Nellie is working the phones

Powell has literally the best defensive RPM in the team and is 39th in the league. Drummond is 95th.
Powell scores 1.2 points per P&R possession, Drummond 0.95.

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Powell has small hands and can’t hold on to the ball. Literally the only thing he can do is jump, so even if it meant trading him just to get off of that abysmal contract, I’d be happy with it. He serves no purpose here other than for Donnie and Mark to feel justified in doing the Rondo trade. Drummond is a top 3 C in the league who hasn’t played with a better PG than Reggie Jackson since he’s been in the league. I think he’s absolutely worth rolling the dice on
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Post#209 » by HMFFL » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:53 pm

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Post#210 » by J_T » Fri Jan 3, 2020 11:03 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
J_T wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
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Curious if it would cost much more than Powell, Lee, GSW pick. Dallas desperately could use a roll man next to Luka and an interior defender so hopefully Nellie is working the phones

Powell has literally the best defensive RPM in the team and is 39th in the league. Drummond is 95th.
Powell scores 1.2 points per P&R possession, Drummond 0.95.

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Powell has small hands and can’t hold on to the ball. Literally the only thing he can do is jump, so even if it meant trading him just to get off of that abysmal contract, I’d be happy with it. He serves no purpose here other than for Donnie and Mark to feel justified in doing the Rondo trade. Drummond is a top 3 C in the league who hasn’t played with a better PG than Reggie Jackson since he’s been in the league. I think he’s absolutely worth rolling the dice on

He is pretty much a max player that is not a great defensive C and can't shoot 3's. He will cost more than Powell, Kleber and Wright combined. I'll take the small hands for that price.

Drummond is barely top 10 C in the league in my opinion. Are you saying that if you could pick any C in the league to join the Mavs, you would pick only 2 other players ahead of him? Who would that be, Jokic and Embiid?
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Post#211 » by HMFFL » Fri Jan 3, 2020 11:20 pm

Drummond improves on offense greatly with a ball handler that can get him the ball and create for him. We all knows he's going to be paid close to the max or all of it.


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Post#212 » by ejs78 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 11:21 pm

He actually shoots 3s in pregame, however Casey nixed it in game. Either way hes no better than Powell at it
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dirkforpres wrote:
J_T wrote:Powell has literally the best defensive RPM in the team and is 39th in the league. Drummond is 95th.
Powell scores 1.2 points per P&R possession, Drummond 0.95.

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Powell has small hands and can’t hold on to the ball. Literally the only thing he can do is jump, so even if it meant trading him just to get off of that abysmal contract, I’d be happy with it. He serves no purpose here other than for Donnie and Mark to feel justified in doing the Rondo trade. Drummond is a top 3 C in the league who hasn’t played with a better PG than Reggie Jackson since he’s been in the league. I think he’s absolutely worth rolling the dice on

He is pretty much a max player that is not a great defensive C and can't shoot 3's. He will cost more than Powell, Kleber and Wright combined. I'll take the small hands for that price.

Drummond is barely top 10 C in the league in my opinion. Are you saying that if you could pick any C in the league to join the Mavs, you would pick only 2 other players ahead of him? Who would that be, Jokic and Embiid?


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Post#213 » by Teffer10 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 12:34 am

I don't get it, if Drummond is a max player and a great center, how do we have the assets to get him?
We aren't trading THJ for him because that would be taking us backwards.

Why in the hell would Detroit want Powell when they already have a much better version of him?

People, we don't have the assets to acquire him, and if we do I'd have to question just how good he actually is.
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Post#214 » by ejs78 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 12:44 am

Its not about the assets. Drummond has made it clear he's walking this summer. The Pistons are a year too late on trying to move him so they aren't going to get much back.

Rumor is the Hawks are offering the Nets 1st rd pick and an expiring contract so Parsons or Crabbe.

Teffer10 wrote:I don't get it, if Drummond is a max player and a great center, how do we have the assets to get him?
We aren't trading THJ for him because that would be taking us backwards.

Why in the hell would Detroit want Powell when they already have a much better version of him?

People, we don't have the assets to acquire him, and if we do I'd have to question just how good he actually is.


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Post#215 » by arkuo » Sat Jan 4, 2020 1:47 am

Drummond is pretty durable. Has not gotten any serious injury and rarely misses games. That's a plus I guess. Especially with KP having to miss back to backs.
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Post#216 » by arkuo » Sat Jan 4, 2020 1:51 am

This is tricky because I think the team has one more max slot remaining after KP and Luka get theirs. So it's either we get it with Drummond or roll the dice and wait for a Giannis or an Oladipo to sign with us in 2021 or beyond.
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Post#217 » by ejs78 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 2:38 am

This is spot on. People don't get how much of an asset durability is.
arkuo wrote:Drummond is pretty durable. Has not gotten any serious injury and rarely misses games. That's a plus I guess. Especially with KP having to miss back to backs.


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Post#218 » by Pinkyring » Sat Jan 4, 2020 3:59 am

How big is our tpe? If its enough for snell I'd eat his deal then move Powell lee Jackson and Brunson for drummond
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Post#219 » by arkuo » Sat Jan 4, 2020 6:58 am

Pinkyring wrote:How big is our tpe? If its enough for snell I'd eat his deal then move Powell lee Jackson and Brunson for drummond



Our TPE is the largest in the NBA history? If it's the sum of Barnes' contract then it should be around the $21M range? Someone plesse correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post#220 » by Bluelabel24 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:34 am

ejs78 wrote:This is spot on. People don't get how much of an asset durability is.
arkuo wrote:Drummond is pretty durable. Has not gotten any serious injury and rarely misses games. That's a plus I guess. Especially with KP having to miss back to backs.


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yess.. this one should also be a big factor, for the last 6yrs he has played 81, 82, 81, 81, 78, 79 games. Thats a great thing to have in a big
I think this comes down to two things.. first obviously is the cost. If the deal is around Powell and a few additions like Brunson/Jackson + 2nd rd picks then we should do it quickly. Second is, ofcourse some would think detroit would reject a deal like that. Detroit would rather trade him for something rather than nothing. for this to be really easy for mavs, Drummond himself would have to help and choose( which is the reality of the current nba, a player just gets to choose where he wants to go) that relationship between him and KP would be useful bigtime. I think he is eager to play with a guy like Luka, hes played with below average PGs most of his career.

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