Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[SOUNDCHASER]

For the record I wanted to draft a couple of second round centers who are now tearing up the summer league with size and bulk that I think would have been very useful for banging inside against guys we do not want to see KP play against inside.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Would other people pick him up for the minimum?

He's a VERY good defender but one of the worst offensive players. He's tentative in everything offense.

I would rather take a flier on Exum who has similar traits and moreso has been held back by injuries rather then skillset.

He's suffered from incredibly poor coaching/usage unremittingly for four years. (Also didn't help that he kept getting longish lasting groin problems a number of times he did get momentum.) He should be a great pick up for some team. However, I don't see that the Mavs have a roster spot open at the moment. Maybe Utah (who do)?

[JJP]

No one is just straight up complaining and providing nothing of substance.

Could you point me to those things of substance?

Those "things of substance" are merely your opinion with limited knowledge. I don't mind that so much as long as you are willing to admit that you know less than the front office does. Everyone likes to pretend they know a lot more. It would be amusing if you didn't take it so seriously.

It's like the patient is sick, and the bystander is telling the medical staff what they should be doing.

Why are you being snarky?
A message board is mostly about giving your opinions & occasionally sharing a piece of information.

I perfectly understand. I really do. The history of my post is really in kind of a trajectory. Try not to see it as one post.

Largely what I'm responding to is a kind of disdain where fans just beat the team's management to death. It's ok up to a point as I do it myself sometimes. I'm as frustrated as anyone. But right now, it's particularly awful and one-sided to an extreme. I'm not trying to steer it to some rosy future, but beating it death gets old.

So this is me giving my opinion I guess.

[Absinthe]

The Jason Kidd news that just dropped in that boom that is about to be released is damning. There’s a difference between being a hard ass of a coach and a sociopath and he seems like the latter.

[JJP]

The Jason Kidd news that just dropped in that boom that is about to be released is damning. There’s a difference between being a hard ass of a coach and a sociopath and he seems like the latter.

I can't think of anyone on this board who was a fan of Kidd when he got hired. About all we can hope is that he's not as bad as he used to be.

[Maverick41]

The Jason Kidd news that just dropped in that boom that is about to be released is damning. There’s a difference between being a hard ass of a coach and a sociopath and he seems like the latter.

The hope is that Kidd has learned from his prior stints and does not do the same here. Particularly with the current generation of players, this kind of coaching would not work. It's concerning but honestly I think a lot of coaches have overworked their players in practice at some point out of frustration. Probably not practicing during Christmas though, that's overboard.

[gottamakeit]

The Jason Kidd news that just dropped in that boom that is about to be released is damning. There’s a difference between being a hard ass of a coach and a sociopath and he seems like the latter.

Yeah, this is going to difficult on Kidd from a PR standpoint. He's going to be asked a billion questions about it, and he's probably going to defend a lot of his old-fashioned ways.

I don't know how Kidd and Luka will coexist if Kidd hasn't changed his ways.

[JJP]

It's bad.

I would also, however, consider what most players said about his stint with the Lakers - which were universally positive as far I could tell.

[Maverick41]

It's bad.

I would also, however, consider what most players said about his stint with the Lakers - which were universally positive as far I could tell.

Yeah I agree, his Lakers stint seems to have done a lot to repair his coaching image. Perhaps being an assistant instead of HC humbled him.

We have to hope it did or I cannot imagine Luka or KP being okay with that coaching style.

[Bob8]

Well technically I don't disagree.

I feel the real issue here is you make it sound easier than it is. It's not just you either. In fact, I'm willing admit I'm probably the outlier here. I think it's really difficult to make it to the conference final. I think it's difficult to project results based on metrics, and I think it's difficult to keep players healthy.

I think Dallas is pretty average in it's overall ability to acquire players - and since we have Luca, we need to be a lot better. Donnie Nelson and Carlisle were likely past their prime, so I'm hoping some things will change. But criticizing the front office constantly is, I think, lazy. I'm not specifically addressing you here, I'm just pointing out how most fan message boards look to me. Like a lot of whiners mostly.

You should just look at roster after KP trade and roster now. You can see that in 3 years, there is more or less no significant change. I would even say that roster with Barnes and later brought and traded Seth would have been better. Now you look at what Hawks, Suns...were able to do in that time.

Who should be addressed, if not management and owners? Fans are paying for all this show, they for sure can demand something. Saying how fans are whining while management is doing their best is just wrong. Mavs' roster, outside Luka and maybe, if he manages to stay in court, KP, is embarrassing bad.

Sure it's difficult to make it in conference finals, but it shouldn't be that difficult, if you have 36/8/10 player. Player, who is shooting unassisted pull-ups, step backs 3-pointers with 41%. You're forgetting what kind of series Luka had against Clippers. He was more or less unstoppable. A little more help and Mavs could have done a lot more. Not help by stars, but players like Bogdanovic, Capela, Bridges, Dragic, Rubio, Holmes...Having just 1 of those would have been probably enough against Clippers. Is that asking too much?

See here's where it just looks silly to me.

If you had just written the first two paragraphs, I totally get it. I'm with you 100%. Every word of it. I think that's all factually true.

The rest is just you venting about water under the bridge, and telling everyone what should have happened, and why the front office pisses you off. At this point, you're just piling on for no good reason that I can see. That's passed.

It's not about you and me agreeing on anything. We're nobodies. The problem is that history in Mavs' case repeats for 3 years in a row. They're not addressing the main problems. I can understand that stars are not coming here, but I cannot understand that you cannot solve a problem of second ball handler or decent C in 3 years time. New management, new coach and we will have exactly the same problems as last years. Not being able to construct a solid roster, while top 5 player is getting only 10 mio doesn't sound very encouraging.
I don't know what their grande plan is, but it's not working. Luka being that good is just masking how poor management is. Excuse is that nobody wants to come hear, but your only plan for near future is too get some super stars? Hoping and waiting for Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic...?

[DallasMFFL]

Maybe overreaching but we deserve the right to hold our management and ownership accountable for failing to put together a better team around Luka than his 1st and 2nd year.

And do what exactly?

If you complain on a message board real loud things will change?

No? Should we just shut up then? We're frustrated and want more from our FO and ownership. We've given other avenues of how it could have been done and what could be done in the future. No one is just straight up complaining and providing nothing of substance.

That is absolutely what you are doing. You are complaining about the front office that has been since fired. You add no value. You are not holding anyone accountable because no one takes what you say seriously. Every time someone tries to start a new conversation, one of you just dive bomb with a “what’s the point? Management sucks comment”. No wonder no players want to come here. I wouldn’t want to play for sad little whiny fans like you either


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[Bob8]

And do what exactly?

If you complain on a message board real loud things will change?

No? Should we just shut up then? We're frustrated and want more from our FO and ownership. We've given other avenues of how it could have been done and what could be done in the future. No one is just straight up complaining and providing nothing of substance.

That is absolutely what you are doing. You are complaining about the front office that has been since fired. You add no value. You are not holding anyone accountable because no one takes what you say seriously. Every time someone tries to start a new conversation, one of you just dive bomb with a “what’s the point? Management sucks comment”. No wonder no players want to come here. I wouldn’t want to play for sad little whiny fans like you either


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What a nonsense are you talking about? Players not coming because of whining writters in forums?
Fans have all right to demand good work from management, they're the reason that management is paid that well.

In what way this offseason looks better than last 2? Dubious new coach, not addressing the biggest needs of the team and not addressing anything about the biggest black hole KP?

[DallasMFFL]

No? Should we just shut up then? We're frustrated and want more from our FO and ownership. We've given other avenues of how it could have been done and what could be done in the future. No one is just straight up complaining and providing nothing of substance.

That is absolutely what you are doing. You are complaining about the front office that has been since fired. You add no value. You are not holding anyone accountable because no one takes what you say seriously. Every time someone tries to start a new conversation, one of you just dive bomb with a “what’s the point? Management sucks comment”. No wonder no players want to come here. I wouldn’t want to play for sad little whiny fans like you either


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What a nonsense are you talking about? Players not coming because of whining writters in forums?
Fans has all right to demand good work from management, they're the reason that management is paid that well.

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[Bob8]

That is absolutely what you are doing. You are complaining about the front office that has been since fired. You add no value. You are not holding anyone accountable because no one takes what you say seriously. Every time someone tries to start a new conversation, one of you just dive bomb with a “what’s the point? Management sucks comment”. No wonder no players want to come here. I wouldn’t want to play for sad little whiny fans like you either


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What a nonsense are you talking about? Players not coming because of whining writters in forums?
Fans has all right to demand good work from management, they're the reason that management is paid that well.

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I see that your contribution is much bigger. You might ask yourself, who is paying all those money for professional sports, because you obviously don't understand how things works and from where money really comes.

[DallasMFFL]

What a nonsense are you talking about? Players not coming because of whining writters in forums?
Fans has all right to demand good work from management, they're the reason that management is paid that well.

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I see that your contribution is much bigger. You might ask yourself, who is paying all those money for professional sports, because you obviously don't understand how things works and from where money really comes.

Most of the money in our economy is created by banks, in the form of bank deposits – the numbers that appear in your account. Banks create new money whenever they make loans. 97% of the money in the economy today exists as bank deposits, whilst just 3% is physical cash.


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[Bob8]

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I see that your contribution is much bigger. You might ask yourself, who is paying all those money for professional sports, because you obviously don't understand how things works and from where money really comes.

Most of the money in our economy is created by banks, in the form of bank deposits – the numbers that appear in your account. Banks create new money whenever they make loans. 97% of the money in the economy today exists as bank deposits, whilst just 3% is physical cash.


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So you believe Mavs would have been making money, if fans weren't watching their games on TV, weren't buying their merchandise, weren't buying tickets for the games... Interesting.

[DallasMFFL]

I see that your contribution is much bigger. You might ask yourself, who is paying all those money for professional sports, because you obviously don't understand how things works and from where money really comes.

Most of the money in our economy is created by banks, in the form of bank deposits – the numbers that appear in your account. Banks create new money whenever they make loans. 97% of the money in the economy today exists as bank deposits, whilst just 3% is physical cash.


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So you believe Mavs would have been making money, if fans weren't watching their games on TV, weren't buying their merchandise, weren't buying tickets for the games... Interesting.

Well, you win. You have bested me in a battle of wits. Please, continue with your complaining. I’ll stop bothering you.


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[LAL1947]

The problem with players that can shoot but not put it on the floor is that when the playoffs come, teams will double Luka and then hard close to the 3 point shooters.

I like the idea of trying for Anfernee Simons for this exact reason you mention here.
i.e., he can shoot well and put it on the floor too.
He might be get-able for a Josh Green.
Simons can run point with the 2nd unit for now and perhaps,
grow into a good secondary playmaker with Luka in the starting 5.
At 6'4", one can hope he provides a little more than Brunson on defense too.

Not getting stuck on Anfernee btw.
Simply trying to explain the rationale behind the example and why it appeals to me.
As someone else mentioned, Luka doesn't need super-stars...
but more talent is needed ofc... and preferably players who are on Luka's timeline.
Like Anfernee, Cam Reddish, Jericho Sims, or any young talents that people may like.

[41Dirk41]

You should just look at roster after KP trade and roster now. You can see that in 3 years, there is more or less no significant change. I would even say that roster with Barnes and later brought and traded Seth would have been better. Now you look at what Hawks, Suns...were able to do in that time.

Who should be addressed, if not management and owners? Fans are paying for all this show, they for sure can demand something. Saying how fans are whining while management is doing their best is just wrong. Mavs' roster, outside Luka and maybe, if he manages to stay in court, KP, is embarrassing bad.

Sure it's difficult to make it in conference finals, but it shouldn't be that difficult, if you have 36/8/10 player. Player, who is shooting unassisted pull-ups, step backs 3-pointers with 41%. You're forgetting what kind of series Luka had against Clippers. He was more or less unstoppable. A little more help and Mavs could have done a lot more. Not help by stars, but players like Bogdanovic, Capela, Bridges, Dragic, Rubio, Holmes...Having just 1 of those would have been probably enough against Clippers. Is that asking too much?

See here's where it just looks silly to me.

If you had just written the first two paragraphs, I totally get it. I'm with you 100%. Every word of it. I think that's all factually true.

The rest is just you venting about water under the bridge, and telling everyone what should have happened, and why the front office pisses you off. At this point, you're just piling on for no good reason that I can see. That's passed.

It's not about you and me agreeing on anything. We're nobodies. The problem is that history in Mavs' case repeats for 3 years in a row. They're not addressing the main problems. I can understand that stars are not coming here, but I cannot understand that you cannot solve a problem of second ball handler or decent C in 3 years time. New management, new coach and we will have exactly the same problems as last years. Not being able to construct a solid roster, while top 5 player is getting only 10 mio doesn't sound very encouraging.
I don't know what their grande plan is, but it's not working. Luka being that good is just masking how poor management is. Excuse is that nobody wants to come hear, but your only plan for near future is too get some super stars? Hoping and waiting for Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic...?

Cuban is smart, he knows as long we have Luka our team will make a decent/good run.
Every year. It's not important who play with him.
They will make the PO every year and he saves tax money and he still has a PO team anyway.

This off season it's most clean than ever, we never tried to sign player who could easy make better the team.

He could at least make no statements. Only this.

[LAL1947]

May I ask everyone for a huge favor, please?
Could you please remove the prior quotes from a quote chain, and only keep the one that you are replying to?
It's kinda tiresome to scroll past a really long chain of quotes only to see a short, negative post at the end of it.
Especially when reading the forum on a mobile device.
I'd really appreciate your thoughtfulness.

Thanks!!