2020 NBA Draft Discussion (18th and 31st pick)

[JJP]

How about Killian Tillie for the 2nd pick. 6'10 big who can shoot and a great defender too. Kinda like Maxi but with blocking but better offense. There are injury concerns though.

Looks like a great player with a history of injuries. I think any team picking in the top half of the second will pass... but if he doesn't get drafted because of the injuries, someone will sign him the second the draft is over.

[Pointguard01]

I had Mcdaniels as a talented boy High-ceilinged talented ... uncertain floor thin and light I didn't think he was a good defender

Dwight Powell with better shot-blocking, shooting and physical attributes. Averaged 1 steals and 1.8 blocks per 40 mins. Not a good rebounder, though. So was Powell in the rookie days. Skinny. I expect McDaniels to be able to stick with SF defensively. This gives coach a lot of flexibility. If McDaniels is available at 31, It's no brainer to me. But I expect McDaniels to be picked from 20-30 range.

I suspect you're right about McDaniels being gone by #31. I'm not as high on him, but almost every mock draft has him being picked in the late 1st round.

My pick would be Xavier Tillman at #31 since he's NBA-ready and can practically rotate in the second he hits the floor. His perimeter game needs work, but almost every other metric is a net+. On top of that, he can defend nearly every position. The sad part is that he may have moved into the late 1st round now and could possibly be gone by the time #31 is picked.

What are you all seeing in him? I just watched the highlights and while they looks solid, I dont see it. It seems he would fit the Dwight Powell/Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright role of diving to the rim, but he seems much slower (most bigs are to be fair). What's the role/player you think his ceiling is? I almost see more athletic Dejuan Blair (again, watched very minimal highlights) and not sure that is enough.

[JJP]

What are you all seeing in him? I just watched the highlights and while they looks solid, I dont see it. It seems he would fit the Dwight Powell/Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright role of diving to the rim, but he seems much slower (most bigs are to be fair). What's the role/player you think his ceiling is? I almost see more athletic Dejuan Blair (again, watched very minimal highlights) and not sure that is enough.

I certainly wouldn't call him slow... any more than I would call Paul Milsap slow.

In a nutshell, this is not so much about what I see in Tillman exactly. It's more about who is available when the Mavs pick and how does Tillman compare with others that might be available. And keep in mind those Youtube highlights almost never show defense, passing, or rebounding.

He has the best metrics of anyone available even if we're talking about the 18th pick instead of the 31st. http://www.tankathon.com/players/xavier-tillman

He has more assists than most wing players, averages a double-double, and doesn't turn the ball over. Tillman was #1 in the nation in overall plus/minus. Tillman is the only NCAA player since Tim Duncan and Bo Outlaw on record to average at least 10 rebounds, two blocks and three assists. He was the Big Ten defensive player of the year, and playing for one of the best teams in the country.

Critically speaking, Tillman is an active, ball movement PF or small-ball center. The Mavs offense doesn't need a player who holds onto the ball. He's also better than Powell as a rebounder and defender. He can defend smaller wings, and set good screens (I sometimes think Powell is only in our lineup for those two reasons alone). He complements KP because he's a force down low if KP is out on the elbow. He's a good rebounder and clean-up guy under the basket when KP is on offense. And finally, the guy has his head screwed on straight. He's a family man and academic All-American.

That pretty much does it. His weakness is the same weakness Powell has as a 3-point shooter, but he's better than Powell at almost every metric.

[arkuo]

I'd package Delon Wright + #31 to Philly for Mathysse Thybulle + whatever bad contact they can attach to match Delon Wright for cap relief. That Philly team is capped out for 5 years and it doesnt look like its enough to take them out of the east either. Elton Brand's job is on the line too

Thybulle + Finney Smith flanking Luka with KP behind should be near elite defense.

[Apz]

How long til thybulle gets payed?

[Darren]

I'd package Delon Wright + #31 to Philly for Mathysse Thybulle + whatever bad contact they can attach to match Delon Wright for cap relief. That Philly team is capped out for 5 years and it doesnt look like its enough to take them out of the east either. Elton Brand's job is on the line too

Thybulle + Finney Smith flanking Luka with KP behind should be near elite defense.

Are you sure you want Horford coming back? Unless Powell is on another way out instead of Hardaway, I'd rather stick with draft picks.

Horford + Thybulle
for
Hardaway + Wright + Jackson + 31

works cap-wise

[arkuo]

How long til thybulle gets payed?

Under contract for the league minimum for 4 more years.

[Apz]

Oh so he got 5 year rookie contract? If so I would love to get him on, but at the same time if its so they will never let him go

[JJP]

The newest CBS top 100 players revised on August 17.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

This is not a mock draft. This is a reading by experts on the top 100 draft prospects. In the newest list several players have moved. Several that I liked have moved up. ESPN does one of these but it hasn't been updated in about a month.

Xavier Tillman has now moved into first round territory at 23.

Desmond Bane has moved to #30.

Kira Lewis have moved all the way to #10 - lottery territory (and out of reach if he's drafted somewhere close).

Josh Green has moved up to #14

Patrick Williams has moved all the way to #8. (above Vassell, Nesmith, and Bey).

Achiuwa has moved down to #24

Nico Mannion has moved down to #31

RJ Hampton has moved down to #28

Tyler Bey moved down to #39

Daniel Oturo moved all the way down to #45

[ejs78]

They also did a mock today:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-james-wiseman-moves-up-to-no-2-behind-no-1-lamelo-ball-in-pre-lottery-projection/

The newest CBS top 100 players revised on August 17.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

This is not a mock draft. This is a reading by experts on the top 100 draft prospects. In the newest list several players have moved. Several that I liked have moved up. ESPN does one of these but it hasn't been updated in about a month.

Xavier Tillman has now moved into first round territory at 23.

Desmond Bane has moved to #30.

Kira Lewis have moved all the way to #10 - lottery territory (and out of reach if he's drafted somewhere close).

Josh Green has moved up to #14

Patrick Williams has moved all the way to #8. (above Vassell, Nesmith, and Bey).

Achiuwa has moved down to #24

Nico Mannion has moved down to #31

RJ Hampton has moved down to #28

Tyler Bey moved down to #39

Daniel Oturo moved all the way down to #45

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[JJP]

Thanks for posting that ejs78

Interesting

Precious Achiuwa, Tyrell Terry and Xavier Tillman are all mid-first picks now.

We haven't talked about Terry much. Small PG from Stanford. Great 3-point shooter. Very smart playmaker. But the size of Barea with a longer wingspan.

[arkuo]

Interesting. That mock draft has us taking Precious Achiuwa at 18. Looks very Jonathon Motley esque.

Somehow I prefer Xavier Tillman if he goes 18. Plays defense. Built like a Ron Artest at 6'8. The base for a defender is high so additional skills training can get you somewhere at least. He;s a top 5 defender in the country right now. Collegiate level. Has a passing game too. That's very Artest like when he was picked also in the 16th range in 1999.

[JJP]

Interesting. That mock draft has us taking Precious Achiuwa at 18. Looks very Jonathon Motley esque.

Somehow I prefer Xavier Tillman if he goes 18. Plays defense. Built like a Ron Artest at 6'8. The base for a defender is high so additional skills training can get you somewhere at least. He;s a top 5 defender in the country right now. Collegiate level. Has a passing game too. That's very Artest like when he was picked also in the 16th range in 1999.

I'm with you on that one.

[Pointguard01]

I’m all in for Desmond Bane at #31. I love his game.

[Heezzi]

We should take Saddiq Bey at 18.

[Darren]

I think an upgrade over DFS is needed for a deep playoff run. Kawhi destroyed DFS blutantly and scored 100% facing DFS. That's alarming call. I think the Mavs should target elite defender without considering offensive effectiveness. Just get elite athlete with elite measurement who are proven in college. That should be fine. That's the same way sixers find Thybulle who's known as offensive liability. With 18 and 31 pick, we could find wing and frontcourt defender. Hopefully, one could guard smaller players while another one guard bigger players. I think hitting a corner 3 is manageable goal to whatever player with good altitude.

[Mike lorenzo]

They also did a mock today:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-james-wiseman-moves-up-to-no-2-behind-no-1-lamelo-ball-in-pre-lottery-projection/

The newest CBS top 100 players revised on August 17.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

This is not a mock draft. This is a reading by experts on the top 100 draft prospects. In the newest list several players have moved. Several that I liked have moved up. ESPN does one of these but it hasn't been updated in about a month.

Xavier Tillman has now moved into first round territory at 23.

Desmond Bane has moved to #30.

Kira Lewis have moved all the way to #10 - lottery territory (and out of reach if he's drafted somewhere close).

Josh Green has moved up to #14

Patrick Williams has moved all the way to #8. (above Vassell, Nesmith, and Bey).

Achiuwa has moved down to #24

Nico Mannion has moved down to #31

RJ Hampton has moved down to #28

Tyler Bey moved down to #39

Daniel Oturo moved all the way down to #45

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Vassell at 14 .... Brunson + # 31 do

[JJP]

Vassell at 14 .... Brunson + # 31 do

That would do it for me, but I doubt you could find a dance partner for that trade.

[Pinkyring]

Id love josh green at 18 then flip Brunson and 31 to move up 5 or 6 spots for Jalen smith

[Mike lorenzo]

Vassell at 14 .... Brunson + # 31 do

That would do it for me, but I doubt you could find a dance partner for that trade.

I'm not sure, maybe Kings if they blow everything up ... I could be interested in more draft picks And a young, good, cheap guard in Brunson to pair with Fox
Brunson / Jackson / # 18 / # 31/2 Future
for Bjelica / # 12
we bring back burk
e we wrote Vassell
or since we dream ..... Okoro
Luka/Burke
Curry/Thj/(Fa Bazemore)?
Dfs/Okoro or Vassell
Bjelica/Maxi
Kp/(Fa Boucher)?