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Post#241 » by joesha1698 » Thu May 15, 2025 5:49 pm

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The new owners need to take the blindfolds off and be thankful Mavs got #1. The direction and solution is simple. Fire Nico, trade AD for the best possible package, built around Flagg.

AD will never be embraced by the Mavs faithful. He's soft and isn't willing to do what's best for the team (play center when asked, forcing NO to trade him to LA), and though not his fault, he was traded for Luka. He'll never be able to make up for that. Please trade him while he still has some value, especially out East where Bos and Mil will take huge steps back and it's wide open. A team may be willing to pay up


I don't think the Mavs trade him. And unless your getting a Giannis back some how, who's legitimately out there that gives you a better shot in the playoffs than AD on the floor?


You said it with how you ended it. With AD on the floor. The guy is never on the floor. We thought we had it bad with Luka, good grief we traded for one of the few guys who's even less reliable.


Fair enough. I don't see anyone taking him on unless their getting rid of a fellow undesirable(Beal, Geroge/Embiid, etc) and I rather have him over all those guys. I just can't see any situation where they decide to move AD unless they decide to rebuild around Flagg and clean house. After that Luka trade, you never know, they could have a change of heart. On the flip side, if AD misses games, Flagg will get more development time.
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Post#242 » by arkuo » Thu May 15, 2025 6:16 pm

With the PG situation, Nico can go 2 ways.

Get someone who will just play for like 3 months up until Kyrie is back up to speed. Or 2, get someone who can run it even with Kyrie back. Obviously the 2nd option will be a more costly option. You would need to potentially send out PJ, Gaff, or both to achieve the latter IMO.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#243 » by fuller4379 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:57 pm

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You said it with how you ended it. With AD on the floor. The guy is never on the floor. We thought we had it bad with Luka, good grief we traded for one of the few guys who's even less reliable.


At least we no longer have Krystal Porzingis.
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Post#244 » by Mr B » Thu May 15, 2025 7:03 pm

arkuo wrote:With the PG situation, Nico can go 2 ways.

Get someone who will just play for like 3 months up until Kyrie is back up to speed. Or 2, get someone who can run it even with Kyrie back. Obviously the 2nd option will be a more costly option. You would need to potentially send out PJ, Gaff, or both to achieve the latter IMO.

Ideally I would love for the Mavs to get one of the San Antonio PG’s. That would be the PG of the future. It would give the Mavs a nice corp for the future in Lively/Flagg/ and Castle or Harper.

It’s a pipe dream I’m sure and would require an over pay by the Mavs. They would have an excellent mix of vets and young guys.
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Post#245 » by joesha1698 » Thu May 15, 2025 7:10 pm

I like Tyus Jones, Dennis Schrdoer, Brogdon...free agents..not sure how we get them with the cap situations..all high iq and 2 way players. I would probably take Brodgon first, follow by Jones, and then Schroder.
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Post#246 » by mademan » Thu May 15, 2025 9:53 pm

joesha1698 wrote:I like Tyus Jones, Dennis Schrdoer, Brogdon...free agents..not sure how we get them with the cap situations..all high iq and 2 way players. I would probably take Brodgon first, follow by Jones, and then Schroder.


Tyus Jones went from the best backup PG in the league, stepping in for Ja and leading the Grizz to high win totals without him, to being completely wasted in PHX as the 4th ball handler/on ball creator behind all their scoring wings. He'd be an amazing pick up.
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Post#247 » by Maverick41 » Thu May 15, 2025 10:35 pm

joesha1698 wrote:I like Tyus Jones, Dennis Schrdoer, Brogdon...free agents..not sure how we get them with the cap situations..all high iq and 2 way players. I would probably take Brodgon first, follow by Jones, and then Schroder.

Don't think we can really consider Tyus and Brogdon 2 way players. Brogdon is decent with slower guards and wings since he's big but he unathletic and gets toasted from quick guards. Tyus is one of those guys that gets hunted on defense since he's small.

That said, at the minimum I take any of them and would be happy with it. I think Schroeder helps the most to win but I do like the idea of Brogdon or Tyus focusing on setting up the frontline and playing off of them.
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Post#248 » by Captain_Obvious » Thu May 15, 2025 10:50 pm

When the Lakers move on from Gabe Vincent for a center I'd like us to make a play for him with Martin and 2nd rounders

Good defender, can handle the ball, good shooter
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Post#249 » by Maverick41 » Thu May 15, 2025 10:50 pm

The 1st apron issue would be less of an issue if Nico never did that darn Martin for Grimes swap. Heck we'd even have the 35th pick in the draft. Good chance now we trade a key player (like Gaff or PJ) just to get under since Martin is negative value and no one would want him.

Yes, I'm still salty about that trade :nonono:
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Post#250 » by Teffer10 » Thu May 15, 2025 11:37 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:When the Lakers move on from Gabe Vincent for a center I'd like us to make a play for him with Martin and 2nd rounders

Good defender, can handle the ball, good shooter

It wouldnt surprise me if Vincent is the main return in a Gafford to LA deal.

Vincent/Hayes/2031 for Gafford would not surprise me one bit. I'll be shocked if Gafford isnt a Laker at the beginning of next season and we'll somehow get screwed again.
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Post#251 » by Archx » Fri May 16, 2025 12:17 am

Maverick41 wrote:The 1st apron issue would be less of an issue if Nico never did that darn Martin for Grimes swap. Heck we'd even have the 35th pick in the draft. Good chance now we trade a key player (like Gaff or PJ) just to get under since Martin is negative value and no one would want him.

Yes, I'm still salty about that trade :nonono:


Grimes trade was absolute disaster because Martin simply doesn't fit and looks totally washed. On top of that, he has a multi year contract lol... Would have been better if he just let Grimes walk for nothing and that would be -9M off the salary cap already. But on the other hand, his agent demanded a trade so Nico probably took the 1st dumbest offer he could find.
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Post#252 » by Maverick41 » Fri May 16, 2025 12:51 am

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Maverick41 wrote:The 1st apron issue would be less of an issue if Nico never did that darn Martin for Grimes swap. Heck we'd even have the 35th pick in the draft. Good chance now we trade a key player (like Gaff or PJ) just to get under since Martin is negative value and no one would want him.

Yes, I'm still salty about that trade :nonono:


Grimes trade was absolute disaster because Martin simply doesn't fit and looks totally washed. On top of that, he has a multi year contract lol... Would have been better if he just let Grimes walk for nothing and that would be -9M off the salary cap already. But on the other hand, his agent demanded a trade so Nico probably took the 1st dumbest offer he could find.

Exactly!

Not to mention with the 35th pick, we could have likely dangled it to get off some money from lesser used players (Powell, Hardy, etc.) to put us below the 1st apron. Instead now we have to constantly talk about how we may have to get rid of one of Gaff or PJ (or both). :nonono:
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Post#253 » by Maverick41 » Fri May 16, 2025 1:26 am

Could something like this work?

DAL receives: #26 pick
BRK receives: Vincent + LAL 31 FRP (top 5 protected)
LAL receives: Gafford

DAL clears space to get under the 1st apron (or close to) and gets a FRP to get a cost-controlled guard or backup C. Maybe we can somehow dump Powell or Hardy in this trade too.

BRK decides it has too many FRPs and trades one for a future pick. They absorb Vincent who's expring.

LAL gets a center who fills their gaping hole, not to mention someone who has very good chemistry with Luka.
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Post#254 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 16, 2025 2:48 am

Gafford is not worth a distant 1st, would hate it for Luka if Lakers did this deal.
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Post#255 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri May 16, 2025 2:52 am

Why people still want to help Lakers? are you masochists? Was Gift them Luka not enough?

Their roster is full of overrated trash. Let them failure again next year or trade their assets for a risky Mark Williams.
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Post#256 » by fuller4379 » Fri May 16, 2025 3:39 am

Maverick41 wrote:The 1st apron issue would be less of an issue if Nico never did that darn Martin for Grimes swap. Heck we'd even have the 35th pick in the draft. Good chance now we trade a key player (like Gaff or PJ) just to get under since Martin is negative value and no one would want him.

Yes, I'm still salty about that trade :nonono:


Martin sucks. I would have rather kept Grimes and kept the financial flexibility.
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Post#257 » by Forbes » Fri May 16, 2025 4:48 am

I see a lot of talk about trading Gafford. I absolutely do not want to help the lakers get a center just to help them get closer to a chip. Make absolutely no sense. Plus they have absolutely nothing we need on that team except Luka which isn’t happening.

Gafford is way too valuable to not get back a solid impactful player.

Gafford and Lively = one all star center. Thats what they provided in their minutes. Losing one of them is an incredible loss.
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Post#258 » by Teffer10 » Fri May 16, 2025 5:35 am

Forbes wrote:I see a lot of talk about trading Gafford. I absolutely do not want to help the lakers get a center just to help them get closer to a chip. Make absolutely no sense. Plus they have absolutely nothing we need on that team except Luka which isn’t happening.

Gafford is way too valuable to not get back a solid impactful player.

Gafford and Lively = one all star center. Thats what they provided in their minutes. Losing one of them is an incredible loss.

My comments about Gafford to Lakers is what I think will happen, not what I want to happen.

The only positive of Gafford going to Lakers is that Luka wants him bad and that gives us leverage to get the most value in return. Obviously a 3rd team would need to be involved for that to happen.

We have a tremendous logjam in the frontcourt and there is no way in hell we're paying Gafford starter money so is as good as gone by TDL or we'll lose him for nothing.
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Post#259 » by Mavrelous » Fri May 16, 2025 5:47 am

Gafford was near unplayable in the PO last year, he's a backup center, no one is winning anything with him as a starting center.
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Post#260 » by Teffer10 » Fri May 16, 2025 5:56 am

41Dirk41 wrote:Why people still want to help Lakers? are you masochists? Was Gift them Luka not enough?

Their roster is full of overrated trash. Let them failure again next year or trade their assets for a risky Mark Williams.

Reaves is not trash and we could use his offense.
He is overrated, but would be a win for us

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