Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[LAL1947]

Minny is supposedly throwing their hat into the Ben Simmons race. I wonder if there's any way for the Mavs to join in as a 3rd team and snag Jaden McDaniels... young, 6'9" PF who could end up fitting well alongside Luka in a starting 5.

Jaden McDaniels looks raw. If they were to invest time and money on a project PF, I'd rather they take the risk kn Markannen.

If they were to go all in on shooting and none of defense like the early 2000s run and gun Phoenix Suns, I can respect that they picked a side and went with it. It's sports entertainment at the end of the day. Luka + 4 shooters is fun to watch.

He's definitely raw. I guess my thinking is that the Mavs can't make a genuine title run this year... and perhaps, won't be able to even in the next season. Not with how stacked the top 4 teams are in each conference. I don't have much confidence in the FO bringing another star who can help the team contend consistently... or in them drafting well with future picks. So I wonder if a better path could be to use the next 2 seasons to bring in young players who are yet to break-out but have good chances of doing so... who hopefully won't cost too much when trading for them... and who can possibly become part of a long-term young core with Luka. That's why I previously brought up Cam Reddish, Jericho Sims, Anfernee Simons, Santi Aldama (altho Anfernee and Santi need to improve their defense)... and now Jaden McDaniels (who appears able to defend 1-5 quite well). All of these guys have some talent, or a thing they are good at.

Btw, with McDaniels, I'm not sure how he is valued and what could be given to get him. He was drafted #28... but from reading the forum, it seems like Minny fans believe their FO now values him @ a top 10 FRP... so it's probably somewhere in the middle.

[Pinkyring]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

U expected a 19 year old to get run on a medal team? Just making the roster says alot. His shot will come with minutes but he's a much better defender athlete and facilitator than Dorian is or rver was

[41Dirk41]

I agree that Green hasn't shown too much but DFS in 3 first years with Mavs was basically a minus for us (and he was 23yo when he played first NBA game).

[arkuo]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

[LAL1947]

DFS is such a nice role player for a squad with championship aspirations, especially if the dollars remain reasonable. I'd like to have a 6'8"-6'10" PF version of him too.

Feels like the Mavs should adopt the Orlando Magic's scouting philosophy from this point on TBH... tall for the position, athletic, 2-way, 3&D guys. Orlando been doing it without having their play-maker in place, which never made sense... but it makes a whole lot of sense for a team with Luka on it.

[JJP]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

That's irrelevant to the comment I think. The issue is who are you going to play now. DFS is a mile better than Green at present. Maybe you groom Green on the hopes that he become DFS in three years, but we have DFS now. There's no indication that Green will be DFS either. That's just hoping.

[41Dirk41]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263907/Trade-Market-Expected-To-Be-Robust-Due-To-Weak-2022-Free-Agency-Class

Bad plan by Cuban if he wants to wait the next year for sign FA but obviously he will say that he awaits for the 2023 class

It's time to move his fat ass and make some moves.

[Pinkyring]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

That's irrelevant to the comment I think. The issue is who are you going to play now. DFS is a mile better than Green at present. Maybe you groom Green on the hopes that he become DFS in three years, but we have DFS now. There's no indication that Green will be DFS either. That's just hoping.

Bullock the guy u signes that's better than dorian as wwll as whoever u trade Dorian for. I didn't say cut hin but he's probably looking at 10m next summer and that's too much to be paying backup level players, we're already doing it with Powell and maxi factor in Brunson around that same number and that's essentially 40m in salary to guys that are nba backups. Too much once u consider luka kp and thj make 80m that's the entire aalary cap for a 7th seed team. It's not economically feasible

[JJP]

I like Bullock, but his stats are similar to DFS across the board. DFS is better in several categories.

DFS makes a ridiculous 4m a year, and Bullock makes just over 10m a year (and even Bullock is a bargain). DFS is younger. You pay him what you pay Bullock. Somebody will. I doubt you get that level of play from a Free Agent. Certainly not Green.

[41Dirk41]

That's the problem, Mavs can't even sign a FA like DFS who is a borderline starter and nothing more.

[Bob8]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

Which is still fantastic in comparison to Green. Who was similarly bad in G-league too. Josh has made 4 3-pointers in the whole season, it cannot get much worse, if your name is not Ben.

I can even understand that he's bad in shooting but he's awful in driving too, which shouldn't be the case for athlete like him. Green looks like a player, who was drafted too high because he looks good on paper, but unfortunately doesn't look like basketball player on court. Athleticism and 0 basketball talent, 0 skills. He should stay with Austalian football.

[41Dirk41]

"Finney-Smith is Green's floor"!! Seriously?

What statistic says that? It certainly isn't his 3-point percentage. The guy has trouble getting on the court - even an Olympic one.

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

Which is still fantastic in comparison to Green. Who was similarly bad in G-league too. Josh has made 4 3-pointers in the whole season, it cannot get much worse, if your name is not Ben.

I can even understand that he's bad in shooting but he's awful in driving too, which shouldn't be the case for athlete like him. Green looks like a player, who was drafted too high because he looks good on paper, but unfortunately doesn't look like basketball player on court. Athleticism and 0 basketball talent, 0 skills. He should stay with Austalian football.

I'm disappointed too about Green first season, play with Luka makes wide open shots every possesion and only 4 triple maked is awful.
But i'm not completely agree with your analys, Green has good ball handling, good dribbling, good passing and good attitude...he lacks tough mentality and security.
At 20yo you are not a kid, it's time to show up.

I hope he could explodes this years, in our situation we can't miss draft picks...and Terry/Hinton/Bey seems almost done.

[Bob8]

DFS only shot 29% from 3 during his rookie year. He just learned to shoot on the fly while employed in Dallas.

Which is still fantastic in comparison to Green. Who was similarly bad in G-league too. Josh has made 4 3-pointers in the whole season, it cannot get much worse, if your name is not Ben.

I can even understand that he's bad in shooting but he's awful in driving too, which shouldn't be the case for athlete like him. Green looks like a player, who was drafted too high because he looks good on paper, but unfortunately doesn't look like basketball player on court. Athleticism and 0 basketball talent, 0 skills. He should stay with Austalian football.

I'm disappointed too about Green first season, play with Luka makes wide open shots every possesion and only 4 triple maked is awful.
But i'm not completely agree with your analys, Green has good ball handling, good dribbling, good passing and good attitude...he lacks tough mentality and security.
At 20yo you are not a kid, it's time to show up.

I hope he could explodes this years, in our situation we can't miss draft picks...and Terry/Hinton/Bey seems almost done.

He's 6'5, decent ball handling should be minimum requirement for that kind of player in any leagues. With skills I meant total lack of scoring skills. You have bad shooters in Nba, but they mostly compensate that with driving, attacking the rim. Josh looks even worse in that department.

He's not Pg and he totally lacks in shooting and scoring, which position he can realistically play in next few years?

[Teffer10]

Whatever happened to Ntilikina?
I don't hear much about him anymore but have thought he could be a cheap version of what we were looking for in the Wright/JRich role.
Did someone sign him?
If not we should consider signing him because we could use another perimeter defender.

[41Dirk41]

Which is still fantastic in comparison to Green. Who was similarly bad in G-league too. Josh has made 4 3-pointers in the whole season, it cannot get much worse, if your name is not Ben.

I can even understand that he's bad in shooting but he's awful in driving too, which shouldn't be the case for athlete like him. Green looks like a player, who was drafted too high because he looks good on paper, but unfortunately doesn't look like basketball player on court. Athleticism and 0 basketball talent, 0 skills. He should stay with Austalian football.

I'm disappointed too about Green first season, play with Luka makes wide open shots every possesion and only 4 triple maked is awful.
But i'm not completely agree with your analys, Green has good ball handling, good dribbling, good passing and good attitude...he lacks tough mentality and security.
At 20yo you are not a kid, it's time to show up.

I hope he could explodes this years, in our situation we can't miss draft picks...and Terry/Hinton/Bey seems almost done.

He's 6'5, decent ball handling should be minimum requirement for that kind of player in any leagues. With skills I meant total lack of scoring skills. You have bad shooters in Nba, but they mostly compensate that with driving, attacking the rim. Josh looks even worse in that department.

He's not Pg and he totally lacks in shooting and scoring, which position he can realistically play in next few years?

I don't trust he is so limited, i hope it's only lack of confidence.

Donnie and Vegas Bob watched some games before draft him... Or maybe not?

[Mavrelous]

Green is very limited right now, he's very hesitant and erratic, but the potential for good shooting and great passing is there, it's a matter if he ever materialize that potential, he won't be creating much off the dribble though.

[Teffer10]

Green is very limited right now, he's very hesitant and erratic, but the potential for good shooting and great passing is there, it's a matter if he ever materialize that potential, he won't be creating much off the dribble though.

I have a feeling there will be a competition between Green and Brown to fill the JRich/DWright role.
We'll see which color wins

[Bob8]

I'm disappointed too about Green first season, play with Luka makes wide open shots every possesion and only 4 triple maked is awful.
But i'm not completely agree with your analys, Green has good ball handling, good dribbling, good passing and good attitude...he lacks tough mentality and security.
At 20yo you are not a kid, it's time to show up.

I hope he could explodes this years, in our situation we can't miss draft picks...and Terry/Hinton/Bey seems almost done.

He's 6'5, decent ball handling should be minimum requirement for that kind of player in any leagues. With skills I meant total lack of scoring skills. You have bad shooters in Nba, but they mostly compensate that with driving, attacking the rim. Josh looks even worse in that department.

He's not Pg and he totally lacks in shooting and scoring, which position he can realistically play in next few years?

I don't trust he is so limited, i hope it's only lack of confidence.

Donnie and Vegas Bob watched some games before draft him... Or maybe not?

Being limited and having big room for improvement can be very similar. That's why Bagley went second and Luka 3rd. Bagley obviously has much bigger room for improvement.

I didn't watch Green in NCAA, but his stats looked unimpressive there too. The same goes with G-league. I don't believe only confidence is a problem.

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[arkuo]

Whatever happened to Ntilikina?
I don't hear much about him anymore but have thought he could be a cheap version of what we were looking for in the Wright/JRich role.
Did someone sign him?
If not we should consider signing him because we could use another perimeter defender.

Currently unemployed. Same boat as DSJ. Both draft busts.