Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

41Dirk41 · Post #261 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:42 pm

Maverick41 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:Here's a really fun fact that 41Dirk41 is gonna love. Gaffords best year of his career was 10 and 5. What's Powells best year? 10 and 5.

What about 2nd best year? Both 9 and 5. What about 3rd best year? Also 9 and 5.

Hmmmm interesting....

Yes funny game, mostly because you didn't notice the steals and blocks
Or advanced numbers... But you are good at read boxscore

I can only immagine Gafford plays 5 years with Luka Doncic
Btw Gafford is a decent big, nothing special but another level than Powell. By far.

Anyway it's an useless argument because the bigger problem of the Mavs in last 5/6 years was the rim protector and rebounding so who played big here in all of those years? Is it funny? I don't think so

Relax man I'm just messing with you

I know

My english is really bad so you can't tell when I'm joking :banghead:

Teffer10 · Post #262 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:08 am

41Dirk41 wrote:I would like to see Lively coming from the bench in his first 2 years of career and Capela has 2 years left on his contract so it's perfect

Capela-Lively-Holmes is a very solid C rotation.

They remember me TC-Haywood-Mahinmi

I could live with Powell in the Mihinmi role.

A two headed Lively/Capela monster would be one of, if not the best, center tag team in the NBA.

41Dirk41 · Post #263 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:00 pm

Caruso and P-Will are players who can help us...

tleikheen · Post #264 » by **tleikheen** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:32 pm

In every trade scenario the Lakers podcasters talk about Rui Hachimura in the trade even though he keeps shooting lights out for the Lakers.
Rui Hachimura (25) 6'8"/230# ,15.7 million ... Jackson Hayes (23) 7'/220# , 2.1 million for Tim Hardaway Jr (31) 6'5"/205# , 17.9 million

Lakers lack scoring punch and Darvin Ham loves 3 guard lineups. With Vando coming back and Taurean Prince already starting you have 2 other forwards competing for minutes with Rui.
Rui who is shooting better than Grant Williams from 2pts /3pts and scoring more playing 9 minutes less in one of the slowest pace lineups is 2" taller.
C) Lively 7'1"
PF) Rui 6'8"
SF) DJJ 6'6"
PG) Kyrie 6'2"
PG) Luka 6'7"
Exum 6'5", Green 6'5", GWms 6'6", Hayes 7' ,Hardy 6'2" as the bench

kacey ring · Post #265 » by **kacey ring** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:01 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Josh Green for a hamburger, dont even need to include fries

Whataburger? In-n-Out? Or Five Guys?

41Dirk41 · Post #266 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:34 pm

tleikheen wrote:In every trade scenario the Lakers podcasters talk about Rui Hachimura in the trade even though he keeps shooting lights out for the Lakers.
Rui Hachimura (25) 6'8"/230# ,15.7 million ... Jackson Hayes (23) 7'/220# , 2.1 million for Tim Hardaway Jr (31) 6'5"/205# , 17.9 million

Lakers lack scoring punch and Darvin Ham loves 3 guard lineups. With Vando coming back and Taurean Prince already starting you have 2 other forwards competing for minutes with Rui.
Rui who is shooting better than Grant Williams from 2pts /3pts and scoring more playing 9 minutes less in one of the slowest pace lineups is 2" taller.
C) Lively 7'1"
PF) Rui 6'8"
SF) DJJ 6'6"
PG) Kyrie 6'2"
PG) Luka 6'7"
Exum 6'5", Green 6'5", GWms 6'6", Hayes 7' ,Hardy 6'2" as the bench

G-Will impact is more than his boxscore stats... I will never put him on the bench.

daoneandonly · Post #267 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:35 pm

kacey ring wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Josh Green for a hamburger, dont even need to include fries

Whataburger? In-n-Out? Or Five Guys?

Any of those 3, all are pretty good. Only McDonalds and Burger King are out

tleikheen · Post #268 » by **tleikheen** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:03 pm

G-Will impact is more than his boxscore stats... I will never put him on the bench.

Boston did ,quite easily. We're seeing his ceiling already. Almost every basket he gets is assisted because he can't get his own shot. Its not often top 5 NBA teams move on from 24 yr olds. Granted he has been a really good pickup for the Mavs but he can and should be replaced by a more impactful player with a higher ceiling and for good measure ,taller and more athletic.

41Dirk41 · Post #269 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:40 pm

tleikheen wrote:
G-Will impact is more than his boxscore stats... I will never put him on the bench.

Boston did ,quite easily. We're seeing his ceiling already. Almost every basket he gets is assisted because he can't get his own shot. Its not often top 5 NBA teams move on from 24 yr olds. Granted he has been a really good pickup for the Mavs but he can and should be replaced by a more impactful player with a higher ceiling and for good measure ,taller and more athletic.

For a better player of course but not for DJJ or Hachimura... No way.

41Dirk41 · Post #270 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:14 am

Caruso for Green?

daoneandonly · Post #271 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:55 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Caruso for Green?

If Chicago were stupid enough to do that, Mavs should jump on it and run

Mike lorenzo · Post #272 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:25 pm

RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

41Dirk41 · Post #273 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:37 am

Powell for a couple of donuts. ASAP.

41Dirk41 · Post #274 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:57 am

Mike lorenzo wrote:RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

Hardy+Green+Powell+Kleber+Kidd+Pinson+ FRP+2SRPs for OG and Boucher/Achiuwa.

BliscoSantos · Post #275 » by **BliscoSantos** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 2:11 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

Hardy+Green+Powell+Kleber+Kidd+Pinson+ FRP+2SRPs for OG and Boucher/Achiuwa.

I don't think Green has any real value...his Play in the WC and the start of the season is bad

Archx · Post #276 » by **Archx** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 2:32 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

Hardy+Green+Powell+Kleber+Kidd+Pinson+ FRP+2SRPs for OG and Boucher/Achiuwa.

I don't think Green has any real value...his Play in the WC and the start of the season is bad

He's still on a rookie scale contract, so he basically does. If he can't turn it around until trade deadline, Mavs could explore trades for a better suited wing or center. But another player will likely have to involved since his contract is 10M below what next season will be.

Post #277 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 2:42 pm

Mike lorenzo wrote:RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

I would wait till the offseason and try to get OG, S&T should be cheaper, and Mavs have the contracts to trade.

arkuo · Post #278 » by **arkuo** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:RAPTORS reject G.Williams +Hardy +FRP for OG?
is expiring and Williams is locked in a friendly deal (they can keep Siakam) and is younger. Hardy gives them a scorer at guard that they need

I would wait till the offseason and try to get OG, S&T should be cheaper, and Mavs have the contracts to trade.

Yeah. Ideally Green + Hardy + FRP should be good for OG.

However OG's agent is the same as Brunson's agent. So he'll probably send OG to his dad in New York too. Cuban's not touching that family with a 10 foot pole. They look sus.

tleikheen · Post #279 » by **tleikheen** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:56 pm

The guy Id like to see on the Mavs is Kyle Kuzma ,6'9"and can handle the ball.
Kuzma 25 million for Josh Green 13.5 million , Jaden Hardy 1.7 million ,Max Kleber 11 million
Wizards can use some young guards in Hardy and Green and Mavs need length in their lineup .
The Mavs arent winning by defense so they should buy in to being the dominate offense in the NBA and see who can outscore them in any game.

ozwizard8 · Post #280 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:00 am

tleikheen wrote:The guy Id like to see on the Mavs is Kyle Kuzma ,6'9"and can handle the ball.
Kuzma 25 million for Josh Green 13.5 million , Jaden Hardy 1.7 million ,Max Kleber 11 million
Wizards can use some young guards in Hardy and Green and Mavs need length in their lineup .
The Mavs arent winning by defense so they should buy in to being the dominate offense in the NBA and see who can outscore them in any game.

There is only one ball. So even if you put Kuz with Luka+Kyrie, the scoring will not magically add a +20 points for Mavs.

Its all about the offensive and defensive efficiencies.

0- Mavs with no Luka no Kyrie, lets assume it would be 100 ppg
1- Mavs with Luka: 116 ppg
2- Mavs with Luka+Kyrie: 120 ppg
3- Mavs with Luka+Kyrie+another offensive juggernaut: 121 ppg.

So improvement is becoming marginal if you try to add offensive power on a good offensive team.
To give an example, it is similar to adding a defensive guard to the Memphis Grizzlies.

The Celtics had both good defense and offense, so they were able to add KP and Jrue as a luxury. Not every other team has the assets and good FO like them...

Mavs need help on defense, rebounding and all. Basically we need to get a max player not named Kyrie but a big man and forward for that money.