Trade Discussion 22/23

[Apz]

Cant say for sure since I cant remember exactly what was said. Some draft guy talked abit about him, can see if I can find it later when I got time

[ozwizard8]

Reading about possible Indiana-Celtics trade sparkled some trade ideas for me. Apparently, Indiana were willing to trade Myles Turner and some picks/rotation players to overpay a free agent. This tells me they do not value M.Turner much.

I think Mavs can look for trading KP for a star player on the wing and then perhaps trade for M.Turner as a big man. Turner would still offer some spacing with his midrange shots and he would provide rebounding and rim protection as well.

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The wet dream for all Mavs fans is getting Giannis on FA next year.
So I'll speculate a trade idea for the trade deadline time. Until the trade deadline, I estimate Bucks will play similar or worse to last year with Giannis. I kinda expect them to be unconvincing and increasing FA rumours for Giannis.
And KP to return from injury and play like the last season.

At the trade deadline:

How about Mavs trading KP for Giannis?
- Bucks would secure a 4 year contracted KP which would fit good with Holiday-Middleton max players and big rotation of Brook Lopez and DJ Wilson. Bucks would be able to compete for East in the next 4 years.
- Mavs would get Giannis(with contract extension) to play with Doncic right away. This move would not create any issues for 21 cap space. This duo can attract 21 FA's like Leonard-PG13 or such as well.

I don't know if Bucks or Giannis would agree with this though. But if there was an opportunity to get Giannis before FA, Mavs should be interested. In FA, Dallas never attracts marquee FAs.
Even Lakers can create some cap space to sign Giannis on top of AD-Lebron. There would be too much competition. Having Doncic should help but other teams might have other superstars ready to pair with Giannis too. City-wise, endorsement money wise, it wont be easy for Dallas to attract a superstar FA.

[Apz]

Giannis is worth more. Also, bucks going all in to win this season. They wont trade away him

[JJP]

Man, you gotta love Trade threads.

[Some smartguy]

We all know the best move is to trade Luka for the GOAT Keita Bates-Diop

[Jg41]

Ideal Roster Construction over the next ~11 Months:

At the end of Training Camp: Waive J. Barea

PG: L. Doncic / J. Brunson / T. Terry
SG: T. Hardaway Jr. / T. Burke / J. Green
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / D. Powell / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

At the Trade Deadline:

1) Send T. Hardaway Jr. / D. Powell / J. Brunson / ~5.8M Cash / ’27 Pro. 1st to TOR for K. Lowry / D. Bembry / '21 2nd
2) Resign J.J. Barea

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / J. Barea
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / T. Terry
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu / D. Bembry
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

In the Offseason (Assuming Josh Richardson Declines his Player Option):

1) Decline Team Options for Willie Cauley-Stein & DeAndre’ Bembry
2) Sign (2) 2021 2nd Rd Picks to 2-way Contracts
3) Sign (3) Exhibit 10 Contracts for Training Camp
4) Sign Tyler Bey & Nate Hinton to 4-year Minimum Scale Contracts
5) Sign Giannis Antetokounmpo to 2+1 Maximum Contract (Starting @~33.72M)
6) Resign Kyle Lowry to 2+1 Contract w/ Max Trade Kicker using Remainder of Cap Space (Starting @~11.89M)
7) Resign Willie Cauley-Stein to 3-year full MLE w/ Team Option on Year 3 (Starting @~9.54M)
8) Resign Boban Marjonovic to 2-year full BAE (Starting @~3.73M)
9) Resign James Johnson to 1-year Veteran Minimum Contract
10) Extend Luka to 5-year ~200M Designated Rookie Exception

2021-2022 Depth Chart:

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / T. Terry
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / N. Hinton
SF: D. Finney-Smith / W. Iwundu / T. Bey
PF: G. Antetokounmpo / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

[Teffer10]

Ideal Roster Construction over the next ~11 Months:

At the end of Training Camp: Waive J. Barea

PG: L. Doncic / J. Brunson / T. Terry
SG: T. Hardaway Jr. / T. Burke / J. Green
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / D. Powell / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

At the Trade Deadline:

1) Send T. Hardaway Jr. / D. Powell / J. Brunson / ~5.8M Cash / ’27 Pro. 1st to TOR for K. Lowry / D. Bembry / '21 2nd
2) Resign J.J. Barea

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / J. Barea
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / T. Terry
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu / D. Bembry
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

In the Offseason (Assuming Josh Richardson Declines his Player Option):

1) Decline Team Options for Willie Cauley-Stein & DeAndre’ Bembry
2) Sign (2) 2021 2nd Rd Picks to 2-way Contracts
3) Sign (3) Exhibit 10 Contracts for Training Camp
4) Sign Tyler Bey & Nate Hinton to 4-year Minimum Scale Contracts
5) Sign Giannis Antetokounmpo to 2+1 Maximum Contract (Starting @~33.72M)
6) Resign Kyle Lowry to 2+1 Contract w/ Max Trade Kicker using Remainder of Cap Space (Starting @~11.89M)
7) Resign Willie Cauley-Stein to 3-year full MLE w/ Team Option on Year 3 (Starting @~9.54M)
8) Resign Boban Marjonovic to 2-year full BAE (Starting @~3.73M)
9) Resign James Johnson to 1-year Veteran Minimum Contract
10) Extend Luka to 5-year ~200M Designated Rookie Exception

2021-2022 Depth Chart:

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / T. Terry
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / N. Hinton
SF: D. Finney-Smith / W. Iwundu / T. Bey
PF: G. Antetokounmpo / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

I think Powell might start again with KP this season if he is healthy but I tend to agree with a lot of this.

I too look for the Mavs to make a move for Lowry to move either Powell or Maxi's contracts to make cap space for Giannis.
Just like the Curry for Richardson deal, it does make some sense for both teams...especially if Terry shows any signs of being a legit backup making Brunson expendable.
Toronto picks up a few nice young backups and a big expiring and the Mavs get an all-star caliber expiring contract that will give them a legit shot at going after Giannis if that is what they desire.

Not sure going after Giannis has any chance but they'll have a crap load of money to spend in next year's FA to solidify the roster.
I think Maxi, Brunson and THJ could all become expendable come TDL...especially if our rookies show any signs of becoming contributors.

[Mr B]

Ideal Roster Construction over the next ~11 Months:

At the end of Training Camp: Waive J. Barea

PG: L. Doncic / J. Brunson / T. Terry
SG: T. Hardaway Jr. / T. Burke / J. Green
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / D. Powell / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

At the Trade Deadline:

1) Send T. Hardaway Jr. / D. Powell / J. Brunson / ~5.8M Cash / ’27 Pro. 1st to TOR for K. Lowry / D. Bembry / '21 2nd
2) Resign J.J. Barea

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / J. Barea
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / T. Terry
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu / D. Bembry
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

In the Offseason (Assuming Josh Richardson Declines his Player Option):

1) Decline Team Options for Willie Cauley-Stein & DeAndre’ Bembry
2) Sign (2) 2021 2nd Rd Picks to 2-way Contracts
3) Sign (3) Exhibit 10 Contracts for Training Camp
4) Sign Tyler Bey & Nate Hinton to 4-year Minimum Scale Contracts
5) Sign Giannis Antetokounmpo to 2+1 Maximum Contract (Starting @~33.72M)
6) Resign Kyle Lowry to 2+1 Contract w/ Max Trade Kicker using Remainder of Cap Space (Starting @~11.89M)
7) Resign Willie Cauley-Stein to 3-year full MLE w/ Team Option on Year 3 (Starting @~9.54M)
8) Resign Boban Marjonovic to 2-year full BAE (Starting @~3.73M)
9) Resign James Johnson to 1-year Veteran Minimum Contract
10) Extend Luka to 5-year ~200M Designated Rookie Exception

2021-2022 Depth Chart:

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / T. Terry
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / N. Hinton
SF: D. Finney-Smith / W. Iwundu / T. Bey
PF: G. Antetokounmpo / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

I would love for them to add both Lowry and Giannis. That would be an amazing offense to watch. And if at least 2 of the wing defenders they acquired this off season turn into studs the Mavs defense should be crazy good too.


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[Jg41]

Ideal Roster Construction over the next ~11 Months:

At the end of Training Camp: Waive J. Barea

PG: L. Doncic / J. Brunson / T. Terry
SG: T. Hardaway Jr. / T. Burke / J. Green
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / D. Powell / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

At the Trade Deadline:

1) Send T. Hardaway Jr. / D. Powell / J. Brunson / ~5.8M Cash / ’27 Pro. 1st to TOR for K. Lowry / D. Bembry / '21 2nd
2) Resign J.J. Barea

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / J. Barea
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / T. Terry
SF: J. Richardson / W. Iwundu / D. Bembry
PF: D. Finney-Smith / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

In the Offseason (Assuming Josh Richardson Declines his Player Option):

1) Decline Team Options for Willie Cauley-Stein & DeAndre’ Bembry
2) Sign (2) 2021 2nd Rd Picks to 2-way Contracts
3) Sign (3) Exhibit 10 Contracts for Training Camp
4) Sign Tyler Bey & Nate Hinton to 4-year Minimum Scale Contracts
5) Sign Giannis Antetokounmpo to 2+1 Maximum Contract (Starting @~33.72M)
6) Resign Kyle Lowry to 2+1 Contract w/ Max Trade Kicker using Remainder of Cap Space (Starting @~11.89M)
7) Resign Willie Cauley-Stein to 3-year full MLE w/ Team Option on Year 3 (Starting @~9.54M)
8) Resign Boban Marjonovic to 2-year full BAE (Starting @~3.73M)
9) Resign James Johnson to 1-year Veteran Minimum Contract
10) Extend Luka to 5-year ~200M Designated Rookie Exception

2021-2022 Depth Chart:

PG: K. Lowry / T. Burke / T. Terry
SG: L. Doncic / J. Green / N. Hinton
SF: D. Finney-Smith / W. Iwundu / T. Bey
PF: G. Antetokounmpo / M. Kleber / J. Johnson
C: K. Porzingis / W. Cauley-Stein / B. Marjonovic

I think Powell might start again with KP this season if he is healthy but I tend to agree with a lot of this.

I too look for the Mavs to make a move for Lowry to move either Powell or Maxi's contracts to make cap space for Giannis.
Just like the Curry for Richardson deal, it does make some sense for both teams...especially if Terry shows any signs of being a legit backup making Brunson expendable.
Toronto picks up a few nice young backups and a big expiring and the Mavs get an all-star caliber expiring contract that will give them a legit shot at going after Giannis if that is what they desire.

Not sure going after Giannis has any chance but they'll have a crap load of money to spend in next year's FA to solidify the roster.
I think Maxi, Brunson and THJ could all become expendable come TDL...especially if our rookies show any signs of becoming contributors.

The deal just makes too much sense. I know these 3 guys are some of Carlisle's favorite players and that they're a huge part of our culture, so trading them away naturally seems unlikely unless the benefits are too great all around. This trade accomplishes just that. Losing each of them is going to hurt, but the FO can at least sleep at night knowing they were sent to an excellently owned, managed, and coached organization with a rabid fan base and gritty talent. Toronto just lost depth and this trade actually balances their roster greatly. You send D. Powell to play for his native Canada to start over or compliment Baynes at the 5. Their guard rotation becomes Vanvleet/Hardaway with Brunson and N. Powell backing them up off the bench. In an ideal world, both the Raptors and Lowry probably would like him to retire there, but in light of the team's sizable commitment to Vanvleet, a departure might be less unpalatable.

The upshot for Dallas is threefold: 1) They bring in an asset that accomplishes the one goal they whiffed on in what was otherwise a commendable offseason - a bonafide (sorry Josh Richardson) secondary playmaker that can both initiate the offense and play off the ball next to Luka, stretch the floor, and play hard-nosed defense. Lowry does this all with a championship ring, gritty disposition, reliability in the clutch, and likability that should make him a locker room favorite. He definitely improves the Mavericks' title chances this season. 2) From a rotational standpoint, it opens up playing/development time for Cauley-Stein, Burke, Green, and Terry, it affords Porzingis more minutes at the 5, and it presents the team a chance to bring back Barea for the stretch run. 3) It fully opens the door for the Mavericks to not only hand out a max contract to Giannis next summer (for what it's worth they could also now have the flexibility to offer Kawhi and PG their 10+yr max contracts now too), but in the event they do land a 7-9 max player, they would still be in position to be the only '21-'22 contender with the ability to offer a FA a contract greater than the MLE (if only slightly) with Powell and Brunson off the books. This is important, because it's the only realistic way we'd see one of Lowry (assuming we trade for him), Richardson, or even Hardaway staying beyond this year (barring serious injury to one of them) if we manage to snare a max level FA.

[DBoys]

The deal just makes too much sense.

LOL No it doesn't.

TOR would say no. And Lowry too. And JJ probably would too.

But I think DAL would too, because they aren't looking for an undersized 35-36 year old PG, who should be in decline soon. They are looking to build alongside Luka with players who are his era.

Besides that, the details fail here. There will be lots of teams with money to spend in 2021. And after signing Giannis, there's no 9.5M MLE for WCS or BAE for Boban.

Nor is this deal somehow helpful to "open the door" for Giannis. They have plenty of cap room already.

[Teffer10]

The deal just makes too much sense.

And after signing Giannis, there's no 9.5M MLE for WCS or BAE for Boban.

A problem I'd gladly welcome!

[DBoys]

The deal just makes too much sense.

And after signing Giannis, there's no 9.5M MLE for WCS or BAE for Boban.

A problem I'd gladly welcome!

Of course.

But the desirability of successfully signing Gianni doesn't make the wild trade idea sensible, or likely. Its appeal is all derived from hope, ie the desire that Giannis signs in Dallas.

Hopefully the additions in the last month will make the team better. That''s the best way to give the Mavs the best choices going forward.

[dakomish23]

I know there’s so much buzz building up to FA, but I think they should look for opportunities to max out this season.

Oladipo Turner for THJ Johnson plus ?

Turner
KP
Luka
Oladipo
Richardson

Is a legitimate contender.

You should still have enough space to get to Giannis should he want to come despite eating Turner. Buying super low on Oladipo could be a steal & I trust Carlisle to get him right.

[JD45]

I know there’s so much buzz building up to FA, but I think they should look for opportunities to max out this season.

Oladipo Turner for THJ Johnson plus ?

Turner
KP
Luka
Oladipo
Richardson

Is a legitimate contender.

You should still have enough space to get to Giannis should he want to come despite eating Turner. Buying super low on Oladipo could be a steal & I trust Carlisle to get him right.

Great deal for the Mavs, but why would Indy do it?

[dirkforpres]

I know there’s so much buzz building up to FA, but I think they should look for opportunities to max out this season.

Oladipo Turner for THJ Johnson plus ?

Turner
KP
Luka
Oladipo
Richardson

Is a legitimate contender.

You should still have enough space to get to Giannis should he want to come despite eating Turner. Buying super low on Oladipo could be a steal & I trust Carlisle to get him right.

Seems like Indiana could and would get much more than this for what they’re giving up. Dallas would likely need to throw in Brunson, a 1st, and at least a pick swap... which I’m not sure is worth it

[dakomish23]

I know there’s so much buzz building up to FA, but I think they should look for opportunities to max out this season.

Oladipo Turner for THJ Johnson plus ?

Turner
KP
Luka
Oladipo
Richardson

Is a legitimate contender.

You should still have enough space to get to Giannis should he want to come despite eating Turner. Buying super low on Oladipo could be a steal & I trust Carlisle to get him right.

Great deal for the Mavs, but why would Indy do it?

I think they’re ready to move on from Turner and do Sabonis full time C with Goga backing him up. I think they’ll also look to extend Warren.

Oladipo is a question mark so they might want to get what they can before he walks in FA.

Just throwing it out there as a possibility that I hope they looked at

[dakomish23]

I know there’s so much buzz building up to FA, but I think they should look for opportunities to max out this season.

Oladipo Turner for THJ Johnson plus ?

Turner
KP
Luka
Oladipo
Richardson

Is a legitimate contender.

You should still have enough space to get to Giannis should he want to come despite eating Turner. Buying super low on Oladipo could be a steal & I trust Carlisle to get him right.

Seems like Indiana could and would get much more than this for what they’re giving up. Dallas would likely need to throw in Brunson, a 1st, and at least a pick swap... which I’m not sure is worth it

I think we’d have to see how Oladipo bounces back. I do feel Turner is def available. Have a 3 man big rotation who can all defend the rim and bomb from 3? Amazing.

Another target I like - John Collins should ATL decide it’s not worth it to pay him. Sucks defensively but is pretty damn good offensively. Pairs well with KP / Kleber

[DBoys]

Huge questions marks with Oladipo. There's no good reason to trade for him.
- He plays like suck these days. He will make your team worse. There's no value now in having him.
- Indy's asking price is as if he is playing like an All-Star. There's no "buy low" opportunity, just in case he becomes good again.
- His injury was extreme. It's not the sort where a player will be just as good afterwards. He's showing that.
- His run as a good player was very short. He might have just had a career year that will never happen again. So far it seems so.
- And he expects a max contract next summer. There's no potential bargain later. Good chance he leaves whatever team has him.

[dakomish23]

That’s some scorching hot take on Oladipo

No he won’t make this team worse
No Indiana is not looking for an all star package return
No his injury isn’t extreme
No his run as good player isn’t over. Will he ever be a top guard again? Who knows.
No, you don’t have to pay someone just b/c you traded for them

Don’t be a prisoner of the moment

[dirkforpres]

That’s some scorching hot take on Oladipo

No he won’t make this team worse
No Indiana is not looking for an all star package return
No his injury isn’t extreme
No his run as good player isn’t over. Will he ever be a top guard again? Who knows.
No, you don’t have to pay someone just b/c you traded for them

Don’t be a prisoner of the moment

I trust Carlisle with career revival for guys like Dipo, but I wouldn’t want to give more than Hardaway for him with that being said. His shot is pretty broken