Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[arkuo]

Cuban is the real GM. Donnie is the seat warmer.

The inconsistency comes when Cuban flip flops on decisions depending on whose advice he's taking at the time.

Long term team building needs long term decisions plotted out. Cuban seems to be the type to wing it. And it may seem he's spread too thing right now juggling a lot of money making schemes and/or businesses. Which explains why he lost millions on that bitcoin fiasco.

If he's looking for a place holder/ seat warmer, Masai wouldn't last a full year. Finley should be a good candidate.

[arkuo]

If Kemba gets bought out by OKC, do the Mavs become interested?

I'd understand why nobody would touch $30M dollar Kemba. But vet minimum Kemba sounds like a good deal.

[fuller4379]

If Kemba gets bought out by OKC, do the Mavs become interested?

I'd understand why nobody would touch $30M dollar Kemba. But vet minimum Kemba sounds like a good deal.

Oklahoma City will find a way to trade him out and get another first round pick. Look at Chris Paul for reference.

[JD45]

If Kemba gets bought out by OKC, do the Mavs become interested?

I'd understand why nobody would touch $30M dollar Kemba. But vet minimum Kemba sounds like a good deal.

A vet minimum Kemba can pick his spot. Several teams closer to contention than the Mavs.

And while Kemba is too good a player not to be a contributor, it isn't the greatest spot of need. I think Kemba eats into Brunson's minutes.

[arkuo]

If Kemba gets bought out by OKC, do the Mavs become interested?

I'd understand why nobody would touch $30M dollar Kemba. But vet minimum Kemba sounds like a good deal.

A vet minimum Kemba can pick his spot. Several teams closer to contention than the Mavs.

And while Kemba is too good a player not to be a contributor, it isn't the greatest spot of need. I think Kemba eats into Brunson's minutes.

I think getting Kemba at the minimum would cancel out the need to re-sign THJ at $20M per. Which should open doors somewhere. I'm part of the group who opposes that type of signing. That's a recipe for a treadmill.

Say you give the money allotted for THJ to sign Jarret Allen. Then trade Kleber + Brunson for Marcus Smart.

C- Allen / WCS
PF - Porzingis / Powell
SF - Doncic / DFS
SG- Smart / Green
PG - Walker / Burke

[Bnice5]

That was hardly your initial point or else you would have said it. I asked because your argument was basically that Curry is playing well against a young team. I actually agree with your latter explanation but I still think the FO needs to be criticised for every bad move they make. These guys are paid millions to do a job for which they have practically unlimited resources to help them make the right decisions and they still do a bad job.

And another thing. I was all for the KP trade as I believed the fable of Casey Smith being the best athletic trainer in the league so surely he had to be positive that KPs health will hold up. Well, apparently the guy is not the best as KP is perpetually injured and is physically a different man while in his physical prime. So all this talk about how good the Mavs training staff is was completely wrong if they missed so badly on KP. This whole organization is on the level of the Kings right now. The only good thing they have going for them at this moment is Luka who is dragging them into playoffs. They are a lottery team with any other player as a #1, outside of other 5-6 guys in the league who would/will never want to come to Dallas.

The point still stands, his defense was part of the reaosn he got traded. He has 2 defensive player of the year candidates as teammates and they're getting slapped around by a team of guys in their first ever postseason. So he's not some superstar we're desperately missing, he's still a liability on D, always has been, always will be.

By that logic, Mavericks should trade Brunson then.

they should... and they should do it now while his value is higher because of his low contract. Brunson will quickly become overpaid for what he brings to the table

[JD45]

If Kemba gets bought out by OKC, do the Mavs become interested?

I'd understand why nobody would touch $30M dollar Kemba. But vet minimum Kemba sounds like a good deal.

A vet minimum Kemba can pick his spot. Several teams closer to contention than the Mavs.

And while Kemba is too good a player not to be a contributor, it isn't the greatest spot of need. I think Kemba eats into Brunson's minutes.

I think getting Kemba at the minimum would cancel out the need to re-sign THJ at $20M per. Which should open doors somewhere. I'm part of the group who opposes that type of signing. That's a recipe for a treadmill.

Say you give the money allotted for THJ to sign Jarret Allen. Then trade Kleber + Brunson for Marcus Smart.

C- Allen / WCS
PF - Porzingis / Powell
SF - Doncic / DFS
SG- Smart / Green
PG - Walker / Burke

I am all for using Brunson as a trading chip.

But I also can't think of a contract the Mavs could give Allen that Cleveland wouldn't match.

[Mr B]

That’s what I’m hoping for. Clean the entire house. Cuban still has a chance to come out looking good in this if he hires Masai Ujiri, he hires his coach, and they spend their money well this off season. It all starts with hiring the right GM/President of BBall Operations.


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IF

Did the Mavs organisation take one good decision since trading for Doncic?

From what I read, Cuban is taking the decisions. So that's a big if.

And there it is. If Cuban is really the GM, and that is probably correct, this is really a change in advisors. The coach would have a bigger impact, but the GM not so much. Thats why I think the job goes to Finley. Masai is not coming here to be Cuban's (very well paid) assistant.

Cuban has final say however he’s not the one scouting players, and making deals. He’s too worried about Shark Tank. Donnie WAS the guy until Bob came into the scene. If Masai Ujiri came to Dallas he will be running the show. Also because Cuban is the owner would still have final say, just like every other NBA club including the one Masai has been working for.


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[HMFFL]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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[dirkforpres]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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10 mil is a bargain for what Ujiri brings. If Cuban truly cares about the franchise moving forward, he will put his ego aside. Cuban could act that way with Nellie because he came to Dallas inexperienced and made several terrible moves along the way…. That’s not the case as much so with someone like Masai or Ainge

[arkuo]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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Masai is the best name available right now. Coincidentally his contract is up for renewal too. Cuban needs to give him $10M annually plus a few bitcoins he has on the side.

If you put yourself in Masai's shoes. What would make you ditch Toronto and go back stateside. No state taxes? Get to work with a blank canvas with Luka Doncic? I dont think the "no state tax" has a lot of pull right now though.

[arkuo]

A vet minimum Kemba can pick his spot. Several teams closer to contention than the Mavs.

And while Kemba is too good a player not to be a contributor, it isn't the greatest spot of need. I think Kemba eats into Brunson's minutes.

I think getting Kemba at the minimum would cancel out the need to re-sign THJ at $20M per. Which should open doors somewhere. I'm part of the group who opposes that type of signing. That's a recipe for a treadmill.

Say you give the money allotted for THJ to sign Jarret Allen. Then trade Kleber + Brunson for Marcus Smart.

C- Allen / WCS
PF - Porzingis / Powell
SF - Doncic / DFS
SG- Smart / Green
PG - Walker / Burke

I am all for using Brunson as a trading chip.

But I also can't think of a contract the Mavs could give Allen that Cleveland wouldn't match.

Carlisle has been Brunson's godfather/protector with the Mavs. Now that his safety blanket is out, I think he gets shipped out while his value is high. Re-signing him to a Dwight Powell level contract when he's up for renewal will be the most stupid thing Cuban can do.

[Mr B]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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I’m not convinced you’re correct. Even Jerry has given up some control (although only temporary) when he hired Bill Parcels. This could be Cuban’s Bill Parcels hire. The team is in such flux that the only way to get out of the massive tailspin is to hire and elite GM and let him right the ship.


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[Mr B]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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Masai is the best name available right now. Coincidentally his contract is up for renewal too. Cuban needs to give him $10M annually plus a few bitcoins he has on the side.

If you put yourself in Masai's shoes. What would make you ditch Toronto and go back stateside. No state taxes? Get to work with a blank canvas with Luka Doncic? I dont think the "no state tax" has a lot of pull right now though.

In spite of a Cuban owning the team this is actually a very attractive job in Dallas. Like you said, you have a blank slate with a 22 year old MVP candidate. They also have cap space. Now they don’t have any draft picks right now but that’s part of why you hire a guy like Masai Ujiri. Allow him to make some deals that bring back picks.

Oh yea, and Masai gets to hand pick his own coach.


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[arkuo]

Masai Ujiri will be paid over 10 million per season if he comes to Dallas and will need full control. Like Jerry Jones, Cuban won't do that and will need to be involved. His ego wont allow him to be any different.



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Masai is the best name available right now. Coincidentally his contract is up for renewal too. Cuban needs to give him $10M annually plus a few bitcoins he has on the side.

If you put yourself in Masai's shoes. What would make you ditch Toronto and go back stateside. No state taxes? Get to work with a blank canvas with Luka Doncic? I dont think the "no state tax" has a lot of pull right now though.

In spite of a Cuban owning the team this is actually a very attractive job in Dallas. Like you said, you have a blank slate with a 22 year old MVP candidate. They also have cap space. Now they don’t have any draft picks right now but that’s part of why you hire a guy like Masai Ujiri. Allow him to make some deals that bring back picks.

Oh yea, and Masai gets to hand pick his own coach.


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Right right.

I'm assuming they need a new GM hired before they can start talks on re-signing THJ or letting him walk. The new GM and coach might want to try a different route.

[Mr B]

Masai is the best name available right now. Coincidentally his contract is up for renewal too. Cuban needs to give him $10M annually plus a few bitcoins he has on the side.

If you put yourself in Masai's shoes. What would make you ditch Toronto and go back stateside. No state taxes? Get to work with a blank canvas with Luka Doncic? I dont think the "no state tax" has a lot of pull right now though.

In spite of a Cuban owning the team this is actually a very attractive job in Dallas. Like you said, you have a blank slate with a 22 year old MVP candidate. They also have cap space. Now they don’t have any draft picks right now but that’s part of why you hire a guy like Masai Ujiri. Allow him to make some deals that bring back picks.

Oh yea, and Masai gets to hand pick his own coach.


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Right right.

I'm assuming they need a new GM hired before they can start talks on re-signing THJ or letting him walk. The new GM and coach might want to try a different route.

Exactly. The new GM could easily say they don’t want THJ and wants to rebuild the entire roster around Luka.


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[JJP]

I’m not convinced you’re correct. Even Jerry has given up some control (although only temporary) when he hired Bill Parcels. This could be Cuban’s Bill Parcels hire. The team is in such flux that the only way to get out of the massive tailspin is to hire and elite GM and let him right the ship.

I had that exact thought - correlation with Jerry/Bill Parcells = Cuban/Ujiri.

The difference is that Cuban is more desperately in need of a clear job description for his GM than Jerry was of his coach. Cuban needs a strong GM this more than Jerry needed a well-respected knowledgeable coach.

[Mr B]

I’m not convinced you’re correct. Even Jerry has given up some control (although only temporary) when he hired Bill Parcels. This could be Cuban’s Bill Parcels hire. The team is in such flux that the only way to get out of the massive tailspin is to hire and elite GM and let him right the ship.

I had that exact thought - correlation with Jerry/Bill Parcells = Cuban/Ujiri.

The difference is that Cuban is more desperately in need of a clear job description for his GM than Jerry was of his coach. Cuban needs this more than Jerry.

I agree, Cuban needs this more than Jerry did at the time. I mean Jerry hired Bill because he wanted the new stadium. He needed a big name coach to get that done. Cuban is trying not to lose the premier young player in the NBA. If Cuban loses Luka he likely also losses at least half of the fan based (because of his incompetence). He would lose so much money that he’d likely be forced to sell the team.


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[JJP]

If Cuban loses Luka he likely also losses at least half of the fan based (because of his incompetence). He would lose so much money that he’d likely be forced to sell the team.
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Yes, if Cuban loses Luca, he's lost everything. Cuban won't get his reputation back. It will hang over his head until he sells. It will be his legacy.

On the other hand, all can be forgiven if Luca signs and is happy with the change.

In the end, that's why this is such a dumpster fire. It's not just that it happened - it's that it happened just as you were about to sign the best player in the world. By not catching the red flags on this one thing, he put the entire organization at risk.

[Archx]

Luka already 0/1 from the FT line. Offseason started really badly for the Mavs