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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#301 » by jpengland » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:24 am

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BlueSan wrote:I still say no trades.

Who would know I am going against the crowd :P


Come one, they desperately need help under the rim. LAL and LAC are good for a reason. They have insane potential at rim protection with their bigs. Powell can't guard his shadow and Maxi is often simply not big enough.
Rick played both Maxi and Dwight in the 2nd half and they looked much better than those usual midget lineups. KP+Maxi is their best combo anyway but KP obviously can not play 48 mins and neither can Maxi :)


Clippers have legitimately just about the worst rim protection in the league.

With KP and Maxi this team has way better than average rim protection.

It's the last thing that needs addressing.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#302 » by jpengland » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:26 am

arkuo wrote:If the Mavs brass has been watching these games closely, its because their guys are being beaten off the dribble in the perimeter. Getting someone like Convington will shore up that defense. Covington + DFS chasing the opponents' best wing players should make a big difference. And he is available. Wright + Jackson + GSW 2nd rounder. Do it!


If we could get Covington for that, that would be highway robbery. He's a perfect fit.

Perimeter defense is the single biggest problem by a distance. We need long, tough perimeter guys who can slow down the elite wings and at the very least send them the way of KP and Kleber.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#303 » by Teffer10 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:28 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:A little light relief. The NYK board was in semi-meltown over rumours of trading for Drummond. And then K-Dot came up with this work of art. I think you'll enjoy!

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v8cpobv

Can't say I studied this thing too deep but first thought makes me wonder why in the world would NY make that trade unless they are just trying to dump Randle, Ntilikina and DSJ.
Seems they could do much better than Jackson and Lee in a package for those 3.

And honestly I don't think I'd do that deal as a Mavs fan.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#304 » by deb » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:48 pm

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arkuo wrote:If the Mavs brass has been watching these games closely, its because their guys are being beaten off the dribble in the perimeter. Getting someone like Convington will shore up that defense. Covington + DFS chasing the opponents' best wing players should make a big difference. And he is available. Wright + Jackson + GSW 2nd rounder. Do it!


If we could get Covington for that, that would be highway robbery. He's a perfect fit.

Perimeter defense is the single biggest problem by a distance. We need long, tough perimeter guys who can slow down the elite wings and at the very least send them the way of KP and Kleber.


Exactly. Another big body would also be nice, because with KP out, the Mavs have a rotation of 3 guys above 6'7. The new guy doesn't have to be world beater, just a rotational big body that's decent under the rim. But it's much less of a priority than a perimeter defender imo.

Teffer10 wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:A little light relief. The NYK board was in semi-meltown over rumours of trading for Drummond. And then K-Dot came up with this work of art. I think you'll enjoy!

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v8cpobv

Can't say I studied this thing too deep but first thought makes me wonder why in the world would NY make that trade unless they are just trying to dump Randle, Ntilikina and DSJ.
Seems they could do much better than Jackson and Lee in a package for those 3.

And honestly I don't think I'd do that deal as a Mavs fan.

I would, Drummond's deal's off the books by 2021, if he doesn't pan out just let him go...
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#305 » by dirkules_41 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:38 pm

Looking at the bargain bin. What about bringing Ian Mahinmi back? He's been low key playing well for Washington and they're not competing for anything.
He is on a crazy crazy crazy contract but could work for Lee?
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#306 » by bran muffin » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 pm

A beneficial trade for the Mavs that is actually realistic:

  • Courtney Lee + Boban for Dedmon
Dedmon is a much better fit than Boban for what the Mavs need out of the center position. He'll be useful as a starter for games KP will sit out. As a backup, he'll make it easier for Rick to manage KP's minutes. Dedmon's skill set is more similar to KP's, and so subbing him in won't disrupt the lineup the way Boban would have. Boban gets tons of DNPs. Dedmon would play every single game.

The Kings might agree to the trade if they want to rid themselves of the contract of a disgruntled, overpaid player. The trade is technically possible with just a Lee-Dedmon swap. But the Kings won't have a backup center for Holmes if they ship out Dedmon, so I assume they'll want Boban. This would be a better use of Lee's expiring contract than a 3-month rental of Iguodala.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#307 » by J_T » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:50 am

bran muffin wrote:A beneficial trade for the Mavs that is actually realistic:

  • Courtney Lee + Boban for Dedmon
Dedmon is a much better fit than Boban for what the Mavs need out of the center position. He'll be useful as a starter for games KP will sit out. As a backup, he'll make it easier for Rick to manage KP's minutes. Dedmon's skill set is more similar to KP's, and so subbing him in won't disrupt the lineup the way Boban would have. Boban gets tons of DNPs. Dedmon would play every single game.

The Kings might agree to the trade if they want to rid themselves of the contract of a disgruntled, overpaid player. The trade is technically possible with just a Lee-Dedmon swap. But the Kings won't have a backup center for Holmes if they ship out Dedmon, so I assume they'll want Boban. This would be a better use of Lee's expiring contract than a 3-month rental of Iguodala.

Pass. He is getting 13M+. I don't want to see his contract anywhere in the vicinity of Dallas Mavericks when 2021 summer comes around.

Edit: Wait so his last season is not guaranteed I see? It just completely ties Mavs hands this summer. I still don't see him as an upgrade. More of the same meh.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#308 » by bran muffin » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:52 am

J_T wrote:Pass. He is getting 13M+. I don't want to see his contract anywhere in the vicinity of Dallas Mavericks when 2021 summer comes around.

Edit: Wait so his last season is not guaranteed I see? It just completely ties Mavs hands this summer. I still don't see him as an upgrade. More of the same meh.

Dedmon's contract is fully guaranteed for only 2 years, same as THJ. He comes off the books at the same time as THJ. There's no point in saving cap space before 2021, since the Mavs are better off operating as an over-the-cap team in 2020 (bigger MLE).

Boban has been DNP on half the Mavs' games so far. And he averages only 9 mpg in those games he does play. Even in KP's 7-game absence, Boban was still a DNP twice... and averaged only 8 mpg in the other 5 games. Dedmon would be a huge upgrade over him.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#309 » by dirkules_41 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:19 am

As per above I'd have Mahinmi over Dedmon. He's at 15m pa but also expires after the year so it would be a very even swap between him and Lee.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#310 » by ejs78 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:22 am

They can still have Giles backup up Holmes and have MBIII play the 5th.

He's not as athletic as Powell, but he's got the size of a 5 who can shoot the 3.
bran muffin wrote:A beneficial trade for the Mavs that is actually realistic:

  • Courtney Lee + Boban for Dedmon
Dedmon is a much better fit than Boban for what the Mavs need out of the center position. He'll be useful as a starter for games KP will sit out. As a backup, he'll make it easier for Rick to manage KP's minutes. Dedmon's skill set is more similar to KP's, and so subbing him in won't disrupt the lineup the way Boban would have. Boban gets tons of DNPs. Dedmon would play every single game.

The Kings might agree to the trade if they want to rid themselves of the contract of a disgruntled, overpaid player. The trade is technically possible with just a Lee-Dedmon swap. But the Kings won't have a backup center for Holmes if they ship out Dedmon, so I assume they'll want Boban. This would be a better use of Lee's expiring contract than a 3-month rental of Iguodala.


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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#311 » by DJ_3_Ball » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:29 am

Something I just remembered...

We traded out of the 37th pick in last year's draft to move down to DET's pick at 45. I guess we also picked up a 2nd round pick this year (via UTH)... does that sound right?

The only problem with that is... the last player of note in last year's draft was taken at 41, Eric Paschall. Personally, I would of liked to seen Talen Horton-Tucker in here. I think for a 2nd round pick he offers the upside you're looking for at 45, but the Mavs rolled with Isaiah Roby & Horton-Tucker went next at 46.

Here's the reason I bring it up, though. Daniel Gafford went at 38. Anyone who saw the Bulls game last week knows that Gafford should of been arrested for felony assault & battery on the Mavericks' rim. Goodness gracious! He absolutely murdered some of those lobs & putbacks.

Watching Jokic absolutely PUNISH an undersized thin frontcourt from the Mavericks, it's really hard to see how the Mavs could of passed on Gafford. I'm all for extra picks, but not when you have to move down past the point of stepping down a tier or off a cliff in this case. The Utah 2nd rounder this year will probably be a pick north of 53. You'd rather have one pick at 37 than 2 picks at 45 and say 54, respectively.

Gafford looks like a solid role player. He could help the Mavs this year. It's looking like a mistake already to have passed on him.

I think in general the Mavs under value bigs & think they can just masquerade with Powell at the 5 and it'll just be "Ok"... but it's really not.

Man. I wish I hadn't looked at that tonight. Kinda bums me out.
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Post#312 » by arkuo » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:19 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:I think in general the Mavs under value bigs & think they can just masquerade with Powell at the 5 and it'll just be "Ok"... but it's really not.


The Mavs have undervalued bigs ever since because they could not develop a dominant one. Like ever.

It's those idiots who keep drafting guys like Pavel Podkolzin and Satnam Singh and they wonder why they keep firing blanks.

Nick Fazekas
Ahmad Nivins
AJ Hammons
Ray Spalding
Jonathan Motley
Including those two larger than life human beings listed above

And since its the same idiots running the show now, I dont think they will be able to draft a Joel Embiid or a Shaq type center who will have an impact. The only way to get a talented big here is via trade.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#313 » by Darren » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:11 pm

Drummond, Rose and Frazier for Lee, Powell, Wright, Brunson and pick makes sense for a contending team like Dallas. This provides instant upgrade on 2nd unit offense and rebounding without over cap commitment long-term. I expect Drummond to opt out. For the right price, it's easy to bring Andre back. If not, getting Van Vleet and Ibaka is not bad afterall. Rose is significant better player than Wright and Brunson.

C - Drummond / Kleber / Boban
PF - Zinger / Amir? / Roby
SF - DFS / JJ 2.0 / Broekhoff? Reaves?
SG - TH / Curry / Barea
PG - Luka / Rose / Frazier
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Post#314 » by Jg41 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:24 pm

The team should play this smart and continue emphasizing culture building, roster continuity, and team chemistry. We've been down this road before in 2014. I know it might seem reductive to harken back to that season, but those aforementioned factors are even more important now than they were then because we now possess the widest championship window in the league. The team should stand pat this year. The only assets I'd be comfortable parting with are Lee, Jackson, and the Utah pick, and even combined those assets have marginal value at best. I'd wait until the 2021 trade deadline before making any major roster changes, and I'd swing a deal that clears up the roughly 37-38M needed to sign Giannis. I'm not saying this is likely, but if the goal is to create a sustainable dynasty (as it should be...this isn't a 35YO LeBron-LA scenario), management's strategy should be geared towards preserving its assets and adding a 3rd star in 2021. It's important to consider that a deal that makes us marginally better, but impedes financial flexibility or disrupts team chemistry only makes us less attractive to stars hitting FA in two summers. Furthermore, studs like Giannis will not tarnish their careers (a la KD) by joining a title favorite, and while I'd love for the Mavs to win as much as possible, it wouldn't be the worst thing for the team and our players to have to deal with the adversity that comes with a few mid-round playoff exits before they reach the promise land (ask the GOATs). Many (if not all) of these proposals leave us with one or more of the following: even fewer assets, potentially diminished chemistry, and/or restricted financial flexibility...all for what would hypothetically be a decisive WCF defeat instead of a hard-fought 2nd round exit (and even that's being fairly optimistic). Bearing that in mind, this would be my ideal management plan for the Mavericks between now and the summer of 2021.

2020 Trade Deadline:
Scout the Draft...extra hard...

2020 Offseason:
Sign 1st Rd Pick for Rookie Scale (BPA)
Sign Golden State 2nd Rd Pick (ideally a lob catching center) for 4YR Veteran Minimum
Resign J. Barea (or comparable role replacement) for 1YR Veteran Minimum
Resign R. Broekhoff (or comparable role replacement) for 1YR Veteran Minimum
Sign A. Cleveland for 4YR Veteran Minimum
Sign Utah 2nd Rd Pick on a Two-Way to join Reaves

2021 Trade Deadline:
Trade D. Powell / D. Wright / 2020 1st Rd Pick (~22M in total Salary) and any necessary cash or future 2nds to Boston for M. Smart & E. Kanter...They drafted Powell and know him better than most, excellent PnR partner with Kemba, upgrade over Kanter, Wright is priced more appropriately as a backup given that they already boast 2 Max Contract players in their backcourt. We'll probably be drafting a few spots ahead of Boston this summer too, so the team could preemptively snatch someone they're interested in as well in order to bolster the appeal of its offer. Smart is a Dallas native, younger (25), and a superior defender than Wright...an excellent fit next to Luka. Kanter will likely be playing on an expiring 5M player option and he will temporarily provide some of the physical disposition many of you are clamoring for. PnR game will suffer in Powell's absence, but his departure will lead to more minutes and development for Maxi. Above all, this trade gives Dallas the flexibility to offer a full 7-9 Max Contract in the summer of 2021.

2021-22 Pre-Free Agency Salary Cap & Roster:

K. Porzingis
M. Smart
L. Doncic
M. Kleber
S. Curry
D. Finney-Smith
A. Cleveland
J. Brunson
I. Roby
GSW 2nd Rounder

80,706,472 + 1,808,547 (YR 2 of A. Cleveland’s 4YR Minimum Deal) + 1,613,394 (YR 2 of Minimum Contract for 2020 Golden State 2nd Rd Pick) + 2 Cap Holds @1,028,850 Each

Total Cap Liabilities = 86,186,113

Total Cap Room (Assuming $125M Cap) = 38,813,887

Estimated Value of Max Contract for a 7-9 player in YR 1 = 37,500,000

2021 Offseason:
Sign G. Antetokounmpo for Max Contract (2+PO - So he can sign for 35% of the cap in 2023)
Resign B. Marjonovic (or comparable back-up True Center) for Bi-Annual Exception
Resign J. Barea (or comparable 3rd string Veteran PG) for 1YR Veteran Minimum
Resign R. Broekhoff (or comparable 3rd string wing 3-Point Specialist) for 1YR Veteran Minimum
Sign J. Reaves for 4YR Veteran Minimum
Sign Dallas 2nd Rd Pick for Two-Way

2021-22 Depth Chart:

PG: L. Doncic / J. Brunson / (Vet - J. Barea)
SG: M. Smart / S. Curry / A. Cleveland
SF: D. Finney-Smith / J. Reaves / (3-Point Specialist - R. Broekhoff)
PF: G. Antetokounmpo / M. Kleber / (Athletic Project - I. Roby)
C: K. Porzingis / (True Center - B. Marjonovic) / (2020 Golden State 2nd Rounder - Young Lob Threat)

Two Way Contracts:
2020 Utah 2nd Rounder
2021 Dallas 2nd Rounder
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#315 » by daoneandonly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:25 pm

Im starting to warm up to the idea of Marcus Morris that others have proposed. Hate the attitude, but perhaps thats just what this team needs. I wouldnt give up a first in any scenario, but if all it cost was say Curry and the Utah pick, have to do it to to balance out the roster a bit more.
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Post#317 » by arkuo » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:19 am

Wolves GM has ties with the Rockets organization too. Not sure about his current relationship with Ferttita.
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Post#318 » by BigTex » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:26 am

I could see Covington and Layman for Lee plus Brunson. Who says no?

I've seen other board speculate that the T-Wolves want Maxi. In my mind, that's too high a price to pay. I might think about Lee plus Jackson, but I see a lot of upside in Jackson and I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on that from Dallas standpoint.

And I'd easily throw in GS's second round pick. Getting anything in the second round is a crap shoot at best, and that issue becomes more accute in a weak draft.
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Re: Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1) 

Post#319 » by dakomish23 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:32 am

Y’all need a 3/D hybrid F who can guard bigger opposing wings. I don’t see an upgrade at guard that’s realistically available so I’d focus there.

RoCo would fit the bill but he is just outside the timeline to be a long term solution
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Post#320 » by Imon » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:32 am

BigTex wrote:I could see Covington and Layman for Lee plus Brunson. Who says no?

I've seen other board speculate that the T-Wolves want Maxi. In my mind, that's too high a price to pay. I might think about Lee plus Jackson, but I see a lot of upside in Jackson and I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on that from Dallas standpoint.

And I'd easily throw in GS's second round pick. Getting anything in the second round is a crap shoot at best, and that issue becomes more accute in a weak draft.


Covington is intriguing but I'd say Maxi is off limits unless the Mavs can get a rotation big back from the Wolves.
It's bad enough that KP has missed 9 games (and who know if he will miss more) but if the Mavs ship out Maxi then the Mavs big man rotation will become the biggest train wreck in the NBA.

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