Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

[Bob8]

Risk it on Kai Jones?

Can't be worse than Holmes who is only kept as a contract

We don't need more prospects, 2 rookies are more than enough, we need someone to help immediately, even Biyombo is better option.

[dirkforpres]

Risk it on Kai Jones?

Can't be worse than Holmes who is only kept as a contract

Id rather have him than Markieff, so in a vacuum I would say yes. He probably needs some time away from the NBA though, he's not much good to any team in this state.

[41Dirk41]

Risk it on Kai Jones?

Can't be worse than Holmes who is only kept as a contract

We don't need more prospects, 2 rookies are more than enough, we need someone to help immediately, even Biyombo is better option.

Biyombo is a good and cheap stop gap option... too smart for Cuban probably.

[Archx]

Risk it on Kai Jones?

Can't be worse than Holmes who is only kept as a contract

Id rather have him than Markieff, so in a vacuum I would say yes. He probably needs some time away from the NBA though, he's not much good to any team in this state.

Would you really want to risk another knucklehead on the team and hope for the best? I just want a stable team with proven players at this point who are also ready to compete.

[dirkforpres]

Risk it on Kai Jones?

Can't be worse than Holmes who is only kept as a contract

Id rather have him than Markieff, so in a vacuum I would say yes. He probably needs some time away from the NBA though, he's not much good to any team in this state.

Would you really want to risk another knucklehead on the team and hope for the best? I just want a stable team with proven players at this point who are also ready to compete.

Well its a bet on the Mavs coaching staff and the vets in the locker room to keep him in check and to develop him properly. He did play ball at Texas, so coming back might be good for his psyche. I just dont trust Charlotte to develop players the right way, so if a player leaves or wants to leave there, its pretty understandable IMO.

For a low risk, high reward scenario this is about as good of a gamble as there is out there.

[Bob8]

There are 2 things I really can't understand in Nba.

1. Coaching, how is possible than in a league with the best players in the world, a lot of coaches can't draw even the simplest plays.

2. Obsession with prospects. If a player doesn't shows anything except athleticism with 19 years, how can you realistically expect much?

[Bob8]

Id rather have him than Markieff, so in a vacuum I would say yes. He probably needs some time away from the NBA though, he's not much good to any team in this state.

Would you really want to risk another knucklehead on the team and hope for the best? I just want a stable team with proven players at this point who are also ready to compete.

Well its a bet on the Mavs coaching staff and the vets in the locker room to keep him in check and to develop him properly. He did play ball at Texas, so coming back might be good for his psyche. I just dont trust Charlotte to develop players the right way, so if a player leaves or wants to leave there, its pretty understandable IMO.

For a low risk, high reward scenario this is about as good of a gamble as there is out there.

Where will you find minutes for him? Those developing minutes is already getting Lively and probably some Prosper. Or do you believe Mavs should tank this year?

[dirkforpres]

Would you really want to risk another knucklehead on the team and hope for the best? I just want a stable team with proven players at this point who are also ready to compete.

Well its a bet on the Mavs coaching staff and the vets in the locker room to keep him in check and to develop him properly. He did play ball at Texas, so coming back might be good for his psyche. I just dont trust Charlotte to develop players the right way, so if a player leaves or wants to leave there, its pretty understandable IMO.

For a low risk, high reward scenario this is about as good of a gamble as there is out there.

Where will you find minutes for him? Those developing minutes is already getting Lively and probably some Prosper. Or do you believe Mavs should tank this year?

OMax should probably spend the entire season with the Legends. He looks extremely raw and needs a year to develop. As a big, Kai could take minutes from Powell and Kleber pretty easily. This cannot be a tank year and i dont think Jones is a difference maker, but Id rather him have the roster spot over Markieff

[Bob8]

Well its a bet on the Mavs coaching staff and the vets in the locker room to keep him in check and to develop him properly. He did play ball at Texas, so coming back might be good for his psyche. I just dont trust Charlotte to develop players the right way, so if a player leaves or wants to leave there, its pretty understandable IMO.

For a low risk, high reward scenario this is about as good of a gamble as there is out there.

Where will you find minutes for him? Those developing minutes is already getting Lively and probably some Prosper. Or do you believe Mavs should tank this year?

OMax should probably spend the entire season with the Legends. He looks extremely raw and needs a year to develop. As a big, Kai could take minutes from Powell and Kleber pretty easily. This cannot be a tank year and i dont think Jones is a difference maker, but Id rather him have the roster spot over Markieff

Mavs need starting C not someone, who is 13th overall in the roster. I would rather have Markieff for some provocation.

[dirkforpres]

Where will you find minutes for him? Those developing minutes is already getting Lively and probably some Prosper. Or do you believe Mavs should tank this year?

OMax should probably spend the entire season with the Legends. He looks extremely raw and needs a year to develop. As a big, Kai could take minutes from Powell and Kleber pretty easily. This cannot be a tank year and i dont think Jones is a difference maker, but Id rather him have the roster spot over Markieff

Mavs need starting C not someone, who is 13 overall in the roster. I would rather have Markieff for some provocation.

Mavs have a starting C. Lively is locked in the starting lineup by all accounts. Having a big like Jones to back him up and provide insurance if/when Lively gets into foul trouble or when Maxi gets hurt is a gamble worth taking IMO.

To be able to get a 1st round talent for free and still be able to hang on to THJ/Maxi/picks for future trade flexibility is as low-risk a move as can be.

[Bob8]

OMax should probably spend the entire season with the Legends. He looks extremely raw and needs a year to develop. As a big, Kai could take minutes from Powell and Kleber pretty easily. This cannot be a tank year and i dont think Jones is a difference maker, but Id rather him have the roster spot over Markieff

Mavs need starting C not someone, who is 13 overall in the roster. I would rather have Markieff for some provocation.

Mavs have a starting C. Lively is locked in the starting lineup by all accounts. Having a big like Jones to back him up and provide insurance if/when Lively gets into foul trouble or when Maxi gets hurt is a gamble worth taking IMO.

To be able to get a 1st round talent for free and still be able to hang on to THJ/Maxi/picks for future trade flexibility is as low-risk a move as can be.

If Lively is starting C than we're tanking. Name me starting C that raw/bad in a team that made playoffs?

[tleikheen]

Keep an eye out for what happens to Pokusevski when he comes off the injured list in a couple weeks. 7' tall and plays PF and only 21 yrs old .He's entering his 4th yr and started 25/34 games last yr for OKC. He shot 43 percent and 36 percent from 3 pt. Every yr he's gotten better. In 20 mpg he avged 8ppg/4 rpg and 1.3 bpg.
Chet Holmgren is playing now and MAYBE Poku can be had in a deal.
In 26 mpg GWilliams avged 8ppg/4rpg in 26 mpg.

[dirkforpres]

Mavs need starting C not someone, who is 13 overall in the roster. I would rather have Markieff for some provocation.

Mavs have a starting C. Lively is locked in the starting lineup by all accounts. Having a big like Jones to back him up and provide insurance if/when Lively gets into foul trouble or when Maxi gets hurt is a gamble worth taking IMO.

To be able to get a 1st round talent for free and still be able to hang on to THJ/Maxi/picks for future trade flexibility is as low-risk a move as can be.

If Lively is starting C than we're tanking. Name me starting C that raw/bad in a team that made playoffs?

Is Lively better than Dwight Powell? Yes.
Were we in the WCF 16 months ago with Dwight Powell as starting C? Also yes.

Best thing we can do is try to win, develop the young players (Lively, OMax, Green, Hardy), and look for a buyer to take on bad contracts like Hardaway, Holmes, and Kleber. Once the Mavs finally defer this pick to the Knicks and have 3 FRPs + multiple SRPs to deal, then we can really look to move into the upper tier of teams with a blockbuster deal. Lively might not be the immediate answer at 5, but to say he isnt already an upgrade over other alternatives is just nonsense.

This isnt me saying we are fine at C by any means. I desperately wanted the Mavs to make a move for Capela, Ayton, or Zubac... But I also am not ready to dismiss a rookie C as us being in tank mode either. Thats ridiculous.

[Bob8]

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Mavs have a starting C. Lively is locked in the starting lineup by all accounts. Having a big like Jones to back him up and provide insurance if/when Lively gets into foul trouble or when Maxi gets hurt is a gamble worth taking IMO.

To be able to get a 1st round talent for free and still be able to hang on to THJ/Maxi/picks for future trade flexibility is as low-risk a move as can be.

If Lively is starting C than we're tanking. Name me starting C that raw/bad in a team that made playoffs?

Is Lively better than Dwight Powell? Yes.
Were we in the WCF 16 months ago with Dwight Powell as starting C? Also yes.

Best thing we can do is try to win, develop the young players (Lively, OMax, Green, Hardy), and look for a buyer to take on bad contracts like Hardaway, Holmes, and Kleber. Once the Mavs finally defer this pick to the Knicks and have 3 FRPs + multiple SRPs to deal, then we can really look to move into the upper tier of teams with a blockbuster deal. Lively might not be the immediate answer at 5, but to say he isnt already an upgrade over other alternatives is just nonsense.

This isnt me saying we are fine at C by any means. I desperately wanted the Mavs to make a move for Capela, Ayton, or Zubac... But I also am not ready to dismiss a rookie C as us being in tank mode either. Thats ridiculous.

He's absolutely not better than Powell. There's no starter in a league as bad as Lively is in the moment. Not even close.

[tleikheen]

He's absolutely not better than Powell. There's no starter in a league as bad as Lively is in the moment. Not even close.

And theres no Center in basketball who has a lower value than Powell has in this stage of his career .Lively on the open market has a much higher value and ceiling than Powell.
In fact Kleber ,Morris and Holmes value is in the dumps as well .Mavs are stuck with alot of unwanted players.

[41Dirk41]

He's absolutely not better than Powell. There's no starter in a league as bad as Lively is in the moment. Not even close.

And theres no Center in basketball who has a lower value than Powell has in this stage of his career .Lively on the open market has a much higher value and ceiling than Powell.
In fact Kleber ,Morris and Holmes value is in the dumps as well .Mavs are stuck with alot of unwanted players.

At least Holmes and Morris are expires, they just resign Kleber

Fortunately we traded well DFS last year... another low value player.

[Captain_Obvious]

He's absolutely not better than Powell. There's no starter in a league as bad as Lively is in the moment. Not even close.

And theres no Center in basketball who has a lower value than Powell has in this stage of his career .Lively on the open market has a much higher value and ceiling than Powell.
In fact Kleber ,Morris and Holmes value is in the dumps as well .Mavs are stuck with alot of unwanted players.

At least Holmes and Morris are expires, they just resign Kleber

Fortunately we traded well DFS last year... another low value player.

Might want to check again

[BliscoSantos]

Yeah, Lively's not better than Powell ...he needs time...he fouls too much,he can get blocks(because of his length) but he's still getting used to playing on this level and he gets Lost sometimes...I think he's gonna learn ,but it'll take time...as for the O,it's nonexistent unless it's an alley oop..I hope they are working with him not Just on his D but also his O...he needs to learn how to use his size and Play with back against the basket,post up,make some easy baskets near the rim

[Bob8]

He's absolutely not better than Powell. There's no starter in a league as bad as Lively is in the moment. Not even close.

And theres no Center in basketball who has a lower value than Powell has in this stage of his career .Lively on the open market has a much higher value and ceiling than Powell.
In fact Kleber ,Morris and Holmes value is in the dumps as well .Mavs are stuck with alot of unwanted players.

I'm not talking about value, I'm talking about starting at this moment for a team that wants to make playoffs. If Mavs are tanking team then starting Lively might have some sense, but if they want to compete, it doesn't.

Lively can't do anything in offensive side and he isn't strong enough to be anything special in D.

Nobody in the league is starting player that raw, not even tanking teams.

[Archx]

At least Holmes and Morris are expires, they just resign Kleber

Fortunately we traded well DFS last year... another low value player.

Holmes has a 12M player option for the next year which he will 100% take. Sadly, so far, he isn't what we thought he could be so Mavs are stuck with him for at least 2 years. Morris is a non guaranteed, so he's basically a complete non factor when it comes to either roster spot or salary cap.