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Post#341 » by Maverick41 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:22 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I don't think you have the situation clear here, POWELL WILL BE RESIGNED UNTIL HIS DEATH.

I asked to my family that I will want the writing on my tombstone "Powell is the best C in NBA history".

Haha the good news is that you can't re-sign a traded player for a whole calendar year. So peace for 1 year until he inevitably signs back eventually. :lol:
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Post#342 » by tleikheen » Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:01 am

Pull the trigger.....Hardy 21 y o , 6'3", Josh Green 23 y o ,6'4" , Maxi kleber 6'10" 31 y o for Kyle Kuzma 28 y o .6'9"

Mavs need help ,Exum in 18 minutes played led Mavs in rebounds (8) far outshining Holmes and Powell in playing big
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Post#343 » by Bob8 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:55 am

Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.
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Post#344 » by tleikheen » Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:06 am

Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.


I wonder what it was when Exum was playing the big (wink) because he was raking in rebounds while Holmes and Powells feet were glued to the floor.
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Post#345 » by Bob8 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:17 am

tleikheen wrote:
Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.


I wonder what it was when Exum was playing the big (wink) because he was raking in rebounds while Holmes and Powells feet were glued to the floor.


I would agree that Exum might be Mavs top 2 defender, but all that is just academic stuff until we get a another C and a big 4. Powell shouldn't play anymore and Mavs just aren't big enough to challenge good teams.

The best thing about Exum is that he makes Josh being tradeable. Just incredible how much better would Mavs be, if FO decided to trade Josh in offseason.
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Post#346 » by tleikheen » Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:37 am

The best thing about Exum is that he makes Josh being tradeable. Just incredible how much better would Mavs be, if FO decided to trade Josh in offseason.


Im so disappointed in JKidd ....I thought Exum and Green would play awesome together but they seem to be competing for the same minutes .You would think 2 guys that play in tandem against other teams National teams would be damn good but Kidd plays Hardy or Curry with them moreso than them together. JKidd is addickted to catch and shoot basketball and thats leading the Mavs downwards as a team.
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Post#347 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:30 am

tleikheen wrote:
The best thing about Exum is that he makes Josh being tradeable. Just incredible how much better would Mavs be, if FO decided to trade Josh in offseason.


Im so disappointed in JKidd ....I thought Exum and Green would play awesome together but they seem to be competing for the same minutes .You would think 2 guys that play in tandem against other teams National teams would be damn good but Kidd plays Hardy or Curry with them moreso than them together. JKidd is addickted to catch and shoot basketball and thats leading the Mavs downwards as a team.


Agree.

Curry, THJ and Hardy have, plus or less, same weakness and same skills... We can have only 1 on the floor at the time.

For that i can't understand the fast signin of Curry, he is redundant for us.
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Post#348 » by Captain_Obvious » Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 am

Bob8 wrote:Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.

I just don't feel like pointing at Powell or trading for a center will fix things for the Mavs. It's just throwing assets into a black hole hoping to maskerade the underlying issues.

I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of NBA basketball defense. Maybe this guy here is right:
credit to https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/184n519/9_min_strokeinducing_analysis_of_mavs_defence_vs/




Apparently people enjoy his Mavs takes the most - because he is almost losing it every time

This team is absolutely garbage on defense. I just don't understand presenting Defrtg for any single player and comparing them with others like some kind of gotcha. A single player or two won't change our outlook. They need some kind of intervention or complete coaching change to stop this rot.
The team has obviously not bought into whatever they try to achieve defensively. So how is it possible that for over one year as a GM, much less coach, you look at this and not completely erupt? I don't have 20+ years experience in the NBA - I can only imagine how it would feel like watching this garbage every single night
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Post#349 » by Archx » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:01 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:This team is absolutely garbage on defense. I just don't understand presenting Defrtg for any single player and comparing them with others like some kind of gotcha. A single player or two won't change our outlook. They need some kind of intervention or complete coaching change to stop this rot.


Fully agree with this. That's why i have also been repeating myself over and over again that Mavs have ZERO defensive schemes or identity. They're basically doing the basic highschool stuff how to rotate when someone drives to the rim and how to switch PnR's. Other than that, they're lost and look either lazy or have no clue what to do. Not even mentioning Mavs bigs (outside of Lively) should be sent to China.

Kidd has proven to be horrible but Sweeney is not much better either. Both should have been gone in the off season when there were a lot of good coaches available to have.
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Post#350 » by Mavrelous » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:03 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:
Bob8 wrote:Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.

I just don't feel like pointing at Powell or trading for a center will fix things for the Mavs. It's just throwing assets into a black hole hoping to maskerade the underlying issues.

I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of NBA basketball defense. Maybe this guy here is right:
credit to https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/184n519/9_min_strokeinducing_analysis_of_mavs_defence_vs/




Apparently people enjoy his Mavs takes the most - because he is almost losing it every time

This team is absolutely garbage on defense. I just don't understand presenting Defrtg for any single player and comparing them with others like some kind of gotcha. A single player or two won't change our outlook. They need some kind of intervention or complete coaching change to stop this rot.
The team has obviously not bought into whatever they try to achieve defensively. So how is it possible that for over one year as a GM, much less coach, you look at this and not completely erupt? I don't have 20+ years experience in the NBA - I can only imagine how it would feel like watching this garbage every single night


Good stuff, but he's wrong on his Lively going up to the screen, he's in drop coverage to prevent dribble penetration, that's his strength, Powell OTOH should never be put in drop coverage, this went on all of RC time, stopped in Kidd 1st year, and somehow went back to it last year and this year.
Transition defense mistakes and lazy doubles are inexcusable by both players and coaching staff.
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Post#351 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:29 pm

Captain_Obvious wrote:
Bob8 wrote:Holmes 102 Defrtg, Powell 121. Nothing more to say.

I just don't feel like pointing at Powell or trading for a center will fix things for the Mavs. It's just throwing assets into a black hole hoping to maskerade the underlying issues.

I don't pretend to know much about the intricacies of NBA basketball defense. Maybe this guy here is right:
credit to https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/184n519/9_min_strokeinducing_analysis_of_mavs_defence_vs/




Apparently people enjoy his Mavs takes the most - because he is almost losing it every time

This team is absolutely garbage on defense. I just don't understand presenting Defrtg for any single player and comparing them with others like some kind of gotcha. A single player or two won't change our outlook. They need some kind of intervention or complete coaching change to stop this rot.
The team has obviously not bought into whatever they try to achieve defensively. So how is it possible that for over one year as a GM, much less coach, you look at this and not completely erupt? I don't have 20+ years experience in the NBA - I can only imagine how it would feel like watching this garbage every single night


Single player won't fix everything, but if rookie C has 114 Defrtg and Powell has 124 Defrtg, than it's obvious that it's pretty important, who is playing on C.

You can find mistakes in single possession in every team, no matter how good they're defensively. On the other hand ratings are showing what is going on in 100 possessions, so they for sure represent something. Mavs with Powell are much worse than Mavs with Lively, no matter how bad they play D as a team. That's why getting another C instead of Powell would help for sure.
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Post#352 » by tleikheen » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:07 pm

Obviously selling a team takes time but now lets hopefully get serious about getting taller and longer in the lineup.Wizards are starting to think only Avidja ,Coulibaly ,Kispert , Gafford are keeper for now and all the rest open for offers.
28 yr old Kyle Kuzma 6'10 in shoes avg 23 ppg /6 rpg /5apg should be the the target.
He's not elite defensively but Dallas is NEVER going to win with defense in the Luka/ Kyrie era Anybody who thinks that doesnt know basketball . Dallas should be happy to get in the middle of the pack in team defense and be top 2/3 in team offense to make a Championship run.
The Mavs only have 3 guys who can make and create baskets presently on the team, Luka,Kyrie and Dante . Kuzma can make and create baskets for himself and other team mates ,He's not reliant on the assisted basket for his points.
Mavs best bargaining chips need to be bargaining chips for the Wizards .

Tim Hardaway 17 million / Josh Green next yrs salary 13 million for Kuzma 25.6 million / Patrick Baldwin 21 y o ,6'9" 2.3 million / Anthony Gill 31 y o ,6'7 " 2 million
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Post#353 » by Maverick41 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:25 am

tleikheen wrote:28 yr old Kyle Kuzma 6'10 in shoes avg 23 ppg /6 rpg /5apg should be the the target.
He's not elite defensively but Dallas is NEVER going to win with defense in the Luka/ Kyrie era Anybody who thinks that doesnt know basketball . Dallas should be happy to get in the middle of the pack in team defense and be top 2/3 in team offense to make a Championship run.
The Mavs only have 3 guys who can make and create baskets presently on the team, Luka,Kyrie and Dante . Kuzma can make and create baskets for himself and other team mates ,He's not reliant on the assisted basket for his points.
Mavs best bargaining chips need to be bargaining chips for the Wizards .

Tim Hardaway 17 million / Josh Green next yrs salary 13 million for Kuzma 25.6 million / Patrick Baldwin 21 y o ,6'9" 2.3 million / Anthony Gill 31 y o ,6'7 " 2 million

I think Kuzma can play an MPJ-like role here. Shoot at a high clip, rebound very well and provide size.

I don't think that trade package gets it done though. WAS will want some form of draft compensation, a young prospect or 2 and/or taking on Poole's contract.
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Post#354 » by tleikheen » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:42 am

and/or taking on Poole's contract.


that might be like a poison pill to Mavs fans .......But a pkg including one or the other of Hardy or Green included would get their attn as right now theyre starting Jones and Poole who arent doing very good . Theyre biggest need is guards.
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Post#355 » by Mike lorenzo » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:08 am

I would prefer J.Collins to Kuzma (better on the glass and shooting from 3)... I'm not saying nor do I think he's a better player, but I don't imagine Kuzma's role as the one I play in the Wizards, the same thing happens to me with Siakam, it's just I think his style will not be maximized with the Mavs. the trade I have in mind...
THJ+Yurtseven/2SRP(Mavs) to Houston
Landale +Collins to MAVS
Oladipo +Holmes+Worse FRP25(Houston) to JAZZ

In the offseason, go all in for OG..G.Williams /Hardy/Green+Picks for OG

Luka/KI/OG/Collins/Lively
Exum/Curry/O-Max/Maxi/Powell
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Post#356 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:45 am

Kuzma for cheap is always good but i think Wizards want at least a FRP+players so i'll pass...
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Post#357 » by tleikheen » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:13 am

The problem with passing on trades is letting a potentially good season go to waste and thinking Kyrie and Luka are always going to be healthy and ready to go at again
Luka and Kyrie got something brewing here and Mavs need to step up and get them a good piece to add to the starters. What good is a 1st round pick for Luka and Kyries timeline .A guy like Kuzma will help them be in the thick of the fight THIS season.
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Post#358 » by Archx » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:40 pm

Mavs want to bring back DFS but Nets want 2 1st picks... yikes. I'm not sure this would solve anything, since they need bigs not more wings.
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Post#359 » by Mavrelous » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:01 pm

If Mavs had next year 1st, I'd gladly trade it, but not 2, and not far away 1st unprotected.
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Post#360 » by daoneandonly » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:03 pm

I probably love DFS more than most on this board, no way is he worth 2 firsts. Heck I wouldnt even trade 1 for him
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