Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

dirkforpres · Post #361 » by **dirkforpres** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:16 pm

Mavrelous wrote:If Mavs had next year 1st, I'd gladly trade it, but not 2, and not far away 1st unprotected.

My initial thoughts when I saw the reports of the Mavs being interested was that I would give Hardy, Kleber, and 2 SRPs as a final offer. 2 FRPs is an obscene price tag for Dodo

tleikheen · Post #362 » by **tleikheen** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:27 pm

DFS is 6'7 ,when mavs play denver whos he going to guard 6'8 aaron gordon or 6'10 michael porter jr........ similar with minnesota , The Mavs need length .

BeiBeau · Post #363 » by **BeiBeau** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 12:02 am

daoneandonly wrote:I probably love DFS more than most on this board, no way is he worth 2 firsts. Heck I wouldnt even trade 1 for him

You don’t love him more than most then. Probably around half of this board would trade a 1st for him.

Maverick41 · Post #364 » by **Maverick41** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 12:22 am

DFS is worth at least 1 FRP from a playoff team. Starting level 3&D wings are highly coveted around the league. 2 is a bit much but I can see a team giving up 2 highly protected FRPs. A team like OKC for example who is swimming in FRPs with a lot of protections.

For us, it's difficult since we can only trade 2027 and that screws up our plans for a bigger upgrade next offseason. My hope is that if we give up a FRP for him, we get one more rotation player in the trade somehow. O'neale or Sharpe (especially him) are the ideal guys but not sure how realistic it would be.

Maverick41 · Post #365 » by **Maverick41** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 12:41 am

Would you guys do something like this?

DAL Receives: DFS + Sharpe
BRK Receives: Green + Hardy + Holmes + 26 FRP swap rights

DAL balances the roster. Gets a familiar face (who's very tight with Luka) who should fit right in. Gets Sharpe who slots right in as a good backup C who's also still young. 10 man rotation looks significantly more balanced imo:

Luka/Exum
Kyrie/THJ
DFS/DJJ
Grant/Maxi
Lively/Sharpe

BRK gets a potentially very valuable FRP swap in 26. 2026 is around the time of Luka's impending free agency. Hardy and Green will be able to replace Dinwiddie should he leave in the offseason.

41Dirk41 · Post #366 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:45 am

Maverick41 wrote:Would you guys do something like this?

DAL Receives: DFS + Sharpe
BRK Receives: Green + Hardy + Holmes + 26 FRP swap rights

DAL balances the roster. Gets a familiar face (who's very tight with Luka) who should fit right in. Gets Sharpe who slots right in as a good backup C who's also still young. 10 man rotation looks significantly more balanced imo:

Luka/Exum
Kyrie/THJ
DFS/DJJ
Grant/Maxi
Lively/Sharpe

BRK gets a potentially very valuable FRP swap in 26. 2026 is around the time of Luka's impending free agency. Hardy and Green will be able to replace Dinwiddie should he leave in the offseason.

If Sharpe can give us 20/25 of real quality minutes yes... If he is another scrubs like Powell, no thanks.

Maverick41 · Post #367 » by **Maverick41** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 7:33 am

41Dirk41 wrote:If Sharpe can give us 20/25 of real quality minutes yes... If he is another scrubs like Powell, no thanks.

I don't think he's a 20-25 mpg type guy. More of a 10-15 mpg guy imo who can rebound well and give some toughness. But honestly in reality, most backup Cs are 15 mpg guys. 30 mpg for a starting C, 15 mpg backup, 3 mpg small ball is a very common rotation. And doesn't take much to be better then Powell right now anyway.

Teffer10 · Post #368 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 8:31 am

Maverick41 wrote:DFS is worth at least 1 FRP from a playoff team. Starting level 3&D wings are highly coveted around the league. 2 is a bit much but I can see a team giving up 2 highly protected FRPs. A team like OKC for example who is swimming in FRPs with a lot of protections.

For us, it's difficult since we can only trade 2027 and that screws up our plans for a bigger upgrade next offseason. My hope is that if we give up a FRP for him, we get one more rotation player in the trade somehow. O'neale or Sharpe (especially him) are the ideal guys but not sure how realistic it would be.

The problem is that DFS doesnt put us over the top and I'd hate to give up too many assets just to make us a little better.

Not that it wouldn't be a fair trade, but it would deplete us of trade assets for any potential trades for that player who would put us over the top.

I think Prosper has been as much of a negative surprise as Lively has been positive because I think they thought he would develop quickly into the DFS role.

Maverick41 · Post #369 » by **Maverick41** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 10:40 am

I don't think DFS puts us over the top either but I don't think pretty much any attainable player does. We're still at least 2 high end rotation players away from being a real contender. My hope is that we can get 1 this year to be competitive and then another 1( or 2) next offseason when we have more assets.

I think DFS could be a really good mentor for Omax though.

Mike lorenzo · Post #370 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 12:30 pm

The trade would be THJ+Hardy+2SRP for Hunter... Hawks don't need THJ to look for a 3 team...Houston?
THJ to Houston

Hunter/G.Mathews/A.Holiday(TPE) to Mavs

Oladipo (Cut)/Bullock /2SRP(Mavs)2SRP(Houston) to Hawks

Post #371 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 3:08 pm

Mike lorenzo wrote:The trade would be THJ+Hardy+2SRP for Hunter... Hawks don't need THJ to look for a 3 team...Houston?
THJ to Houston

Hunter/G.Mathews/A.Holiday(TPE) to Mavs

Oladipo (Cut)/Bullock /2SRP(Mavs)2SRP(Houston) to Hawks

I like it, I doubt the Hawks would go for it, but I like it for the Mavs.

daoneandonly · Post #372 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 1:27 pm

Neither team will do it, but the best thing for all is a Kyrie/Hardy for Siakam deal. Balances both rosters far better.

Mike lorenzo · Post #373 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 2:11 pm

tleikheen wrote:DFS is 6'7 ,when mavs play denver whos he going to guard 6'8 aaron gordon or 6'10 michael porter jr........ similar with minnesota , The Mavs need length .

same thing...I think the trend in the League is going there, at least the best teams...we need a big PF to play alongside Lively, not just a backup...I would be interested in someone like J.Collins at this point

tleikheen · Post #374 » by **tleikheen** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 8:03 am

The Trade : Rui Hachimura ,25 y o/6'8"/230#s 15.7 million and Jaxson Hayes ,23 y o /7' /220 #s 2.1 miilion for Tim Hardaway Jr 31 y o / 6'5"/205#s 17.8 million

Why : Lakers have 3 guys for the same position Vando,Prince and Hachimura and Ham doesnt like playing Rui ,Lebron and AD at the same time.So Hachimura remains coming off the bench despite being the best shooter and the most physical.
His salary is perfect for trades.
The Lakers Are last in 3 point stats attempted and made and THJ is a gunslinger from 3pt land .
This could be a win-win trade for both teams as it addresses both teams needs and the salaries match.

Teffer10 · Post #375 » by **Teffer10** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 1:55 pm

We need a backup center and a wing so why not go after Vuc and Patrick Williams from Chicago?
Hell, I think they could play Vuc and Lively together He'll, considering their skills are complimentary.

Archx · Post #376 » by **Archx** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 2:02 pm

tleikheen wrote:The Trade : Rui Hachimura ,25 y o/6'8"/230#s 15.7 million and Jaxson Hayes ,23 y o /7' /220 #s 2.1 miilion for Tim Hardaway Jr 31 y o / 6'5"/205#s 17.8 million

There are nights when THJ is Mavs 2nd best player/scorer and you would trade him for Rui?

tleikheen · Post #377 » by **tleikheen** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:12 pm

There are nights when THJ is Mavs 2nd best player/scorer and you would trade him for Rui?

In a heartbeat. Rui has performed when the lights were the brightest ,the playoffs. He's 6'8" and has the midgame and can get his own shot off which the Mavs really need .
Hardaway is 31 ands on the smallish side at 6'5"and is at his peak in trade value.
Rui also fits Luka's timeline ,he's 24 and Rui is 25.DJJ is 26.

Archx · Post #378 » by **Archx** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:37 pm

tleikheen wrote:
There are nights when THJ is Mavs 2nd best player/scorer and you would trade him for Rui?

In a heartbeat. Rui has performed when the lights were the brightest ,the playoffs. He's 6'8" and has the midgame and can get his own shot off which the Mavs really need .
Hardaway is 31 ands on the smallish side at 6'5"and is at his peak in trade value.
Rui also fits Luka's timeline ,he's 24 and Rui is 25.DJJ is 26.

You really need to learn how to quote people. If you delete someones name that person won't see you quoted him.

Regarding the trade, trading THJ for Rui makes no sense. You honestly need to do some calculations with raw and advance stats and you'll quickly figure out why.
Also, Mavs have enough wing players, they need a defensive stopper under the rim to help Lively. Trading a much needed scoring combo guard for another wing does nothing for the team. Specially when Kyrie is taking so many games off. Luka still needs help on offense.

tleikheen · Post #379 » by **tleikheen** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:27 pm

Mavs have enough wing players, they need a defensive stopper under the rim to help Lively. Trading a much needed scoring combo guard for another wing does nothing for the team.

Rui is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and athletic which is exactly what Lively needs . Presently Grant Williams under 6'6" has a short wingspan of 6'9 3/4" and very unathletic.
Watch the games and look how small the lineup looks with THJ and watch how many points are scored against the Mavs when he plays. He's not a plus when he plays.
The Nuggets play with a athletic high flier in 6'8"Aaron Gordon and the 6'10" MPJ. AG has a 6'11" wingspan/MPJ has a 7'0 wingspan so Rui is big enough to play with these guys and is an offensive threat that they have to guard him back.
Having Lively's 7'8" wingspan and Rui's 7'2 wingspan is a good start to matchup with the Denver team.

Archx · Post #380 » by **Archx** » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:43 pm

tleikheen wrote:
Mavs have enough wing players, they need a defensive stopper under the rim to help Lively. Trading a much needed scoring combo guard for another wing does nothing for the team.

Rui is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and athletic which is exactly what Lively needs . Presently Grant Williams under 6'6" has a short wingspan of 6'9 3/4" and very unathletic.
Watch the games and look how small the lineup looks with THJ and watch how many points are scored against the Mavs when he plays. He's not a plus when he plays.
The Nuggets play with a athletic high flier in 6'8"Aaron Gordon and the 6'10" MPJ. AG has a 6'11" wingspan/MPJ has a 7'0 wingspan so Rui is big enough to play with these guys and is an offensive threat that they have to guard him back.
Having Lively's 7'8" wingspan and Rui's 7'2 wingspan is a good start to matchup with the Denver team.

And who replaces THJ's scoring then? Maybe you missed last nights game but Mavs were horrible when no one, outside of Luka, could make a shot. This is where THJ's value is... he's a 6th guy providing much needed firepower off the bench. If you want to trade for Rui then trade Green or someone similar but not THJ.