Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

[Bob8]

Spin: Lively has started Dallas' first three preseason contests, averaging 3.3 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in 19.1 minutes per game. While those aren't prolific numbers, the rookie understands his role and has excelled as a defensive anchor and rim roller. Per Afseth, the team believes Lively has shown enough to run with the first unit to begin the regular season. "Look at what Lively has done here on this trip," head coach Jason Kidd said after Tuesday's exhibition versus Real Madrid. "He's doing extremely well."

This is how ESPN sees it. He didn't visually look bad out there. If he played 30min, for which he'd have to get his fouls under control those would be some pretty solid stats.

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[Bob8]

Definitely not by Billybob. Now we just need to wait for Darren to arrive and tell us we need to cut Lively and sign Wang Zhizhi out of retirement because he had a good game in 2001 and can still develop.

The same question to you, which team with playoffs aspirations has starter as bad as Lively?

Well the "bad" is your judgement right now, which again, at this point in time I do neither agree with nor do I think any premature judgement like that can even be passed.
Give me a list of all 31 others and I'll tell ya.

You can't find a single one? Nor can I. Having far the worst starting C in the league is normally pretty bad sign. And this's not premature thinking, it's a reality. But I agree he will for sure get better through the season. Unfortunately that won't help as much.

[41Dirk41]

I'm starting to think that Phoenix not wanted to trade Ayton to us...

[ejs78]

I see nothing has changed, when asked about concrete things, you answer with smart words.

Bob that's you who never answers direct questions. Nothing has been asked by you to me directly.

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I'm asking you. Named me similarly raw/bad starter for a team with playoffs aspirations? And if you can't, named me similarly bad starter for a tanking team?

First Bob good job for finally directing a question to me rather than throwing into space thinking I would get its for me. As you've stated in other posts you clearly don't get the developmental process of young players and assume someone like Lively should be born with a handle and 3ball or they are a complete scrub.

Vegas currently has the team at 45.5 wins knowing that Lively is the starter and its not always about one player as it is the parts in total. Do I think they will win 45 games? No I think it will be around 41 (prolly to optimistic for you), but lets not act like starting Powell is going to produce an extra 5-7 wins for this team. If Livlely's development costs the team a game or 2 I am fine with that as long as he continues to progress. No one thinks Lively is walking in and playing 30+ a night or is going to be a game changer from day one. He's going to get beat up and foul a lot this year, and I'm ok with that as this team still has a long way to go. Sorry the team doesn't do exactly what you want, but watching you cry all year could be pretty fun.

[Bob8]

Bob that's you who never answers direct questions. Nothing has been asked by you to me directly.

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I'm asking you. Named me similarly raw/bad starter for a team with playoffs aspirations? And if you can't, named me similarly bad starter for a tanking team?

First Bob good job for finally directing a question to me rather than throwing into space thinking I would get its for me. As you've stated in other posts you clearly don't get the developmental process of young players and assume someone like Lively should be born with a handle and 3ball or they are a complete scrub.

Vegas currently has the team at 45.5 wins knowing that Lively is the starter and its not always about one player as it is the parts in total. Do I think they will win 45 games? No I think it will be around 41 (prolly to optimistic for you), but lets not act like starting Powell is going to produce an extra 5-7 wins for this team. If Livlely's development costs the team a game or 2 I am fine that as long as he continues to progress. No one thinks Lively is walking in and playing 30+ a night or is going to be a game changer from day one. He's going to get beat up and foul a lot this year, and I'm ok with that as this team still has a long way to go. Sorry the team doesn't do exactly what you want, but watching you cry all year could be pretty fun.

Ok fair enough. Next question, why did we sign Kyrie for 130 mio, if our strategy is waiting on Lively, who might or might not become legit starting C in next few years?

Powell has pretty impressive advanced stats in RS, so yes I believe Mavs can win 5 games more with him.

[ejs78]

I'm asking you. Named me similarly raw/bad starter for a team with playoffs aspirations? And if you can't, named me similarly bad starter for a tanking team?

First Bob good job for finally directing a question to me rather than throwing into space thinking I would get its for me. As you've stated in other posts you clearly don't get the developmental process of young players and assume someone like Lively should be born with a handle and 3ball or they are a complete scrub.

Vegas currently has the team at 45.5 wins knowing that Lively is the starter and its not always about one player as it is the parts in total. Do I think they will win 45 games? No I think it will be around 41 (prolly to optimistic for you), but lets not act like starting Powell is going to produce an extra 5-7 wins for this team. If Livlely's development costs the team a game or 2 I am fine that as long as he continues to progress. No one thinks Lively is walking in and playing 30+ a night or is going to be a game changer from day one. He's going to get beat up and foul a lot this year, and I'm ok with that as this team still has a long way to go. Sorry the team doesn't do exactly what you want, but watching you cry all year could be pretty fun.

Ok fair enough. Next question, why did we sign Kyrie for 130 mio, if our strategy is waiting on Lively, who might or might not become legit starting C in next few years?

Powell has pretty impressive advanced stats in RS, so yes I believe Mavs can win 5 games more with him.

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

[41Dirk41]

Ejs78 is the everytime happy man.

[Bob8]

First Bob good job for finally directing a question to me rather than throwing into space thinking I would get its for me. As you've stated in other posts you clearly don't get the developmental process of young players and assume someone like Lively should be born with a handle and 3ball or they are a complete scrub.

Vegas currently has the team at 45.5 wins knowing that Lively is the starter and its not always about one player as it is the parts in total. Do I think they will win 45 games? No I think it will be around 41 (prolly to optimistic for you), but lets not act like starting Powell is going to produce an extra 5-7 wins for this team. If Livlely's development costs the team a game or 2 I am fine that as long as he continues to progress. No one thinks Lively is walking in and playing 30+ a night or is going to be a game changer from day one. He's going to get beat up and foul a lot this year, and I'm ok with that as this team still has a long way to go. Sorry the team doesn't do exactly what you want, but watching you cry all year could be pretty fun.

Ok fair enough. Next question, why did we sign Kyrie for 130 mio, if our strategy is waiting on Lively, who might or might not become legit starting C in next few years?

Powell has pretty impressive advanced stats in RS, so yes I believe Mavs can win 5 games more with him.

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

They could have significantly improved wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

[ejs78]

Ejs78 is the everytime happy man.

Yes that's it cuz I said the team would win less than Vegas predicts and I said Lively will foul alot or get ran off the court.

Do better man.

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[ejs78]

Ok fair enough. Next question, why did we sign Kyrie for 130 mio, if our strategy is waiting on Lively, who might or might not become legit starting C in next few years?

Powell has pretty impressive advanced stats in RS, so yes I believe Mavs can win 5 games more with him.

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

They could significantly improve wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

Again we don't know how this will play out yet as they haven't even played a meaningful game. Just a few years ago you said they couldn't make the playoffs when they were 4 GB of the 8th seed with 60 games to go.

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[Bob8]

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

They could significantly improve wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

Again we don't know how this will play out yet as they haven't even played a meaningful game. Just a few years ago you said they couldn't make the playoffs when they were 4 GB of the 8th seed with 60 games to go.

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We know that Lively will need 3-5 years to be a legit starter, if ever, and we know Kyrie can't wait that long and Luka probably won't. Drafting Lively and O-max was a decision to make Mavs younger, which I would understand, if they have traded for Ayton or Capela. Now we need Lively to make a miracle or we will have another season with Powell.

[dirkules_41]

Spin: Lively has started Dallas' first three preseason contests, averaging 3.3 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in 19.1 minutes per game. While those aren't prolific numbers, the rookie understands his role and has excelled as a defensive anchor and rim roller. Per Afseth, the team believes Lively has shown enough to run with the first unit to begin the regular season. "Look at what Lively has done here on this trip," head coach Jason Kidd said after Tuesday's exhibition versus Real Madrid. "He's doing extremely well."

This is how ESPN sees it. He didn't visually look bad out there. If he played 30min, for which he'd have to get his fouls under control those would be some pretty solid stats.

- 24 netrtg.

And Luka is -20. What's your meaningless point?

You might be struggling to understand the concept of pre-season and a training camp roster. At least 5 of the current players won't even be on the roster and most that see minutes now won't be seeing them in RS........ and quite visibly they haven't played together much either. But hey it would take basketball knowledge to get that I suppose.

[ejs78]

They could significantly improve wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

Again we don't know how this will play out yet as they haven't even played a meaningful game. Just a few years ago you said they couldn't make the playoffs when they were 4 GB of the 8th seed with 60 games to go.

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We know that Lively will need 3-5 years to be a legit starter, if ever, and we know Kyrie can't wait that long and Luka probably won't. Drafting Lively and O-max was a decision to make Mavs younger, which I would understand, if they have traded for Ayton or Capela. Now we need Lively to make a miracle or we will have another season with Powell.

3-5 years like Kessler?

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[dirkules_41]

Ok fair enough. Next question, why did we sign Kyrie for 130 mio, if our strategy is waiting on Lively, who might or might not become legit starting C in next few years?

Powell has pretty impressive advanced stats in RS, so yes I believe Mavs can win 5 games more with him.

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

They could have significantly improved wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

By whos standards though other than your own ones? He was a consensus lottery pick...

[Bob8]

Spin: Lively has started Dallas' first three preseason contests, averaging 3.3 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in 19.1 minutes per game. While those aren't prolific numbers, the rookie understands his role and has excelled as a defensive anchor and rim roller. Per Afseth, the team believes Lively has shown enough to run with the first unit to begin the regular season. "Look at what Lively has done here on this trip," head coach Jason Kidd said after Tuesday's exhibition versus Real Madrid. "He's doing extremely well."

This is how ESPN sees it. He didn't visually look bad out there. If he played 30min, for which he'd have to get his fouls under control those would be some pretty solid stats.

- 24 netrtg.

And Luka is -20. What's your meaningless point?

You might be struggling to understand the concept of pre-season and a training camp roster. At least 5 of the current players won't even be on the roster and most that see minutes now won't be seeing them in RS........ and quite visibly they haven't played together much either. But hey it would take basketball knowledge to get that I suppose.

Luka has the worst rating playing with Lively, because offense is not working and Lively don't bring much in D yet. Forget numbers and tell me is it really that strange that playing with player that can't do anything in offensive side is very difficult.

Those personal comments are useless, especially on the net?

[Bob8]

Is the roster set in stone? Maybe they upgrade the wing position so Lively's development is not as critical (Do you never want young talent developed?)

Again just because Lively is starting doesnt mean Powell wont play or cant be subbed in 5 min into the game. Everyone complains about the lack of rim protection and now cuz they have a raw rim protector the season is over.

They could have significantly improved wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

By whos standards though other than your own ones? He was a consensus lottery pick...

Because he can't do almost anything in the court. He was lottery pick only because his physical attributes, but even there is he few years away. He needs to become much stronger for starters.

[ejs78]

Spin: Lively has started Dallas' first three preseason contests, averaging 3.3 points, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in 19.1 minutes per game. While those aren't prolific numbers, the rookie understands his role and has excelled as a defensive anchor and rim roller. Per Afseth, the team believes Lively has shown enough to run with the first unit to begin the regular season. "Look at what Lively has done here on this trip," head coach Jason Kidd said after Tuesday's exhibition versus Real Madrid. "He's doing extremely well."

This is how ESPN sees it. He didn't visually look bad out there. If he played 30min, for which he'd have to get his fouls under control those would be some pretty solid stats.

- 24 netrtg.

And Luka is -20. What's your meaningless point?

You might be struggling to understand the concept of pre-season and a training camp roster. At least 5 of the current players won't even be on the roster and most that see minutes now won't be seeing them in RS........ and quite visibly they haven't played together much either. But hey it would take basketball knowledge to get that I suppose.

Tis tis don't upset the fanboys .

Its a cultural thing that they can't grasp the preseason is meaningless.

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[dirkules_41]

They could have significantly improved wing position or C with 12 pick, but they decided to draft Lively, who's by normal standards 3-5 years away. That would be totally understandable decision few years ago. But now? You have top5 player and Kyrie, who is getting old, with new rich contract, basically waiting for Lively, who's far from a sure thing.

It's ok developing players, but developing players means that they gradually improve, fight for their position in the team, play against reserves first, physically and mentally improve...There's a reason that nobody is starting players like Lively. It's not beneficial for the team and a player.

By whos standards though other than your own ones? He was a consensus lottery pick...

Because he can't do almost anything in the court. He was lottery pick only because his physical attributes, but even there is he few years away. He needs to become much stronger for starters.

How many minutes of the 3 games have you actually watched? lol

[Bob8]

Again we don't know how this will play out yet as they haven't even played a meaningful game. Just a few years ago you said they couldn't make the playoffs when they were 4 GB of the 8th seed with 60 games to go.

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We know that Lively will need 3-5 years to be a legit starter, if ever, and we know Kyrie can't wait that long and Luka probably won't. Drafting Lively and O-max was a decision to make Mavs younger, which I would understand, if they have traded for Ayton or Capela. Now we need Lively to make a miracle or we will have another season with Powell.

3-5 years like Kessler?

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Kessler was 1 year older with much more Nba ready body.

[ejs78]

We know that Lively will need 3-5 years to be a legit starter, if ever, and we know Kyrie can't wait that long and Luka probably won't. Drafting Lively and O-max was a decision to make Mavs younger, which I would understand, if they have traded for Ayton or Capela. Now we need Lively to make a miracle or we will have another season with Powell.

3-5 years like Kessler?

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Kessler was 1 year older with much more Nba ready body.

And many people said he wanst a FRP due to his lack of athleticism.

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