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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#41 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:32 am

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:I still don't really understand the contract though. The one logical thing is that he is right, with this contract, no one will think this is Dirk's last year. But I doubt there would have been much talk with any other contract structure.
He mentions not wanting to expose Dirk to waivers, but that's the only way the Mavs have of being flexible (they'd have to stretch his contract I think and then re-sign him after getting their new max player or other free agents). At the same time, he explicitly mentions that it gives them "a lot of flexibility", so I guess I'll trust him.



Saw some clarity on this today somewhere on twitter. Apologize I don't remember exactly who, but they said the contract was a straight 2/$50 with a TO on year 2 and the $5M gtd in the 2nd year was misreported and isn't part of the actual deal.

Which means Dallas wouldn't have to waive him if they wanted to pay him less next year, but could simply decline his option and then sign him to a new deal. They did indicate that Cuban was worried about sending him through waivers which surprises me for 2 reasons:

1. Dirk isn't worht $25M a year in cap space to any other team at this point.
2. I think teams have way too much respect for Dirk to put in a claim on him. Plus I think if a team put in a claim he would have likely retired.

Obviously its a moot point now, but I did find that interesting. I pooh-poohed someone on the trade board yesterday suggesting someone might claim Dirk and it turns out maybe he was more right than me. :oops:
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#42 » by Dirk » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:05 pm

jpengland wrote: I don't know. But it is just such an odd move.


Looks like we can sleep better.

Texas Chuck wrote:Saw some clarity on this today somewhere on twitter. Apologize I don't remember exactly who, but they said the contract was a straight 2/$50 with a TO on year 2 and the $5M gtd in the 2nd year was misreported and isn't part of the actual deal.

Which means Dallas wouldn't have to waive him if they wanted to pay him less next year, but could simply decline his option and then sign him to a new deal. They did indicate that Cuban was worried about sending him through waivers which surprises me for 2 reasons:

1. Dirk isn't worht $25M a year in cap space to any other team at this point.
2. I think teams have way too much respect for Dirk to put in a claim on him. Plus I think if a team put in a claim he would have likely retired.

Obviously its a moot point now, but I did find that interesting. I pooh-poohed someone on the trade board yesterday suggesting someone might claim Dirk and it turns out maybe he was more right than me. :oops:


Yup, I have heard Cuban say it's a team option and then I asked Eric Pincus and he confirmed that the 2nd year was not guaranteed. He has updated the Mavs salary as well.

What a terrible misreport. Most fans don't really care or understand that much about salaries and cap rules, but the $5M guarantee was really puzzling. I was scratching my head for days. :lol: Glad it wasn't true.

There's something that I have yet to understand. The team option is supposedly before free agency...

6/29/17 — Estimated team option on Dirk Nowitzki.


Which I find strange. You have to make a decision before you can legally negotiate with free agents? I'm trying to clarify this. We just have to look at the Celtics. They have a decision to make on Tyler Zeller on July the 2nd.

I was also very surprised about the whole "exposing him to waivers" thing, Cuban also brought that up. Maybe initially the Mavs wanted to give him $30 million, but didn't want to go over the tax line, so they then thought of adding $5M guaranteed next season, but then would have to stretch him... so in the end they settled for this more logical structure, where he won't be waived.

Listening to Cuban, "what Dirk wants, Dirk gets", I really hope the Mavs --- since they are obviously not tanking anytime soon --- do work with Dirk to add some players next free agency, meaning, Dirk won't be making $25 million next season, but I'm sure Cuban will more than make up to him after he retires. If we end up with a situation of bringing everyone back, Dirk at 25M and then MLE, that will be very very hard to digest.
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#43 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:23 pm

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There's something that I have yet to understand. The team option is supposedly before free agency...

6/29/17 — Estimated team option on Dirk Nowitzki.


Which I find strange. You have to make a decision before you can legally negotiate with free agents? I'm trying to clarify this. We just have to look at the Celtics. They have a decision to make on Tyler Zeller on July the 2nd.




Those can be negotiated back. This year Amir Johnson and Jerebko had a 7/3 option date, but both guys agreed to extend it back a bit longer. So the same could be done for Dirk.

My guess is that the plan is already agreed to decline it and work a new deal next year. But this both protects Dirk in case something goes terribly wrong and keeps him from having to spend all year dealing with retirement questions--something Dirk has been clear he doesn't want to do.
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#44 » by Mr B » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:44 pm

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There's something that I have yet to understand. The team option is supposedly before free agency...

6/29/17 — Estimated team option on Dirk Nowitzki.


Which I find strange. You have to make a decision before you can legally negotiate with free agents? I'm trying to clarify this. We just have to look at the Celtics. They have a decision to make on Tyler Zeller on July the 2nd.




Those can be negotiated back. This year Amir Johnson and Jerebko had a 7/3 option date, but both guys agreed to extend it back a bit longer. So the same could be done for Dirk.

My guess is that the plan is already agreed to decline it and work a new deal next year. But this both protects Dirk in case something goes terribly wrong and keeps him from having to spend all year dealing with retirement questions--something Dirk has been clear he doesn't want to do.


Yea Dirk has said he has no desire to go through what Kobe went through this year.
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#45 » by Darren » Mon Aug 1, 2016 3:32 pm

So the Mavs's the second highest payroll among all nba teams.
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#46 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Aug 1, 2016 5:50 pm

Darren wrote:So the Mavs's the second highest payroll among all nba teams.


Higher than Portland? Didn't think they could sign Harkless to that deal and stay under the tax line, but maybe they did? Or maybe they just haven't finalized all their deals yet?

But it's irrelevant. Dallas clearly wanted to give Dallas as much as they possibly could. They left themselves a little wiggle room under the cap so they could eat a minimum salary guy and add another guy if need be, but other than that why not give the money to Dirk?

It's moves like this that make Dallas one of the most respected organizations among players and agents and its part of why we always get meetings with the top free agents even tho our current roster isn't attractive enough for them to sign here. But we should be glad we have an owner willing to spend when the situation calls for it.
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Re: Dirk's contract now 2/$50M (Stein) 

Post#47 » by Dirk » Mon Aug 1, 2016 6:57 pm

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Darren wrote:So the Mavs's the second highest payroll among all nba teams.


Higher than Portland? Didn't think they could sign Harkless to that deal and stay under the tax line, but maybe they did? Or maybe they just haven't finalized all their deals yet?

But it's irrelevant. Dallas clearly wanted to give Dallas as much as they possibly could. They left themselves a little wiggle room under the cap so they could eat a minimum salary guy and add another guy if need be, but other than that why not give the money to Dirk?

It's moves like this that make Dallas one of the most respected organizations among players and agents and its part of why we always get meetings with the top free agents even tho our current roster isn't attractive enough for them to sign here. But we should be glad we have an owner willing to spend when the situation calls for it.

Dallas won't have the second highest payroll:

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Re: Dirk 16/17 

Post#51 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Nov 5, 2016 4:44 pm

So Dirk is out at least a week. A nightmare start just got worse.
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Re: Dirk 16/17 

Post#52 » by Mr B » Sat Nov 5, 2016 4:49 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:So Dirk is out at least a week. A nightmare start just got worse.


Dirk is really showing his age. If he ends up having to miss significant time because of his achilles I'm thinking they will end up being sellers at the trade deadline.
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Re: Dirk 16/17 

Post#53 » by The Sparest » Sun Nov 6, 2016 5:25 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:So Dirk is out at least a week. A nightmare start just got worse.


Dirk is really showing his age. If he ends up having to miss significant time because of his achilles I'm thinking they will end up being sellers at the trade deadline.


Yeah, as much as I like him, there is no point in making a guy like Bogut stick around for what is starting to look like a tank season.
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Re: Dirk 16/17 

Post#54 » by Dirk » Sun Nov 6, 2016 11:50 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:So Dirk is out at least a week. A nightmare start just got worse.


Dirk is really showing his age. If he ends up having to miss significant time because of his achilles I'm thinking they will end up being sellers at the trade deadline.


He is very old. Sure. But... are these issues age related? :( Maybe I'm in denial. :lol: But while it really is a terrible sign this early in the season, the man looked ok just last year and didn't miss a game. Do we really take such a nosedive when we're approaching our forties?

I am trying to prepare myself to the idea of being a bad team, but still having Dirk trot out there and hopefully score some points. I hope he warms up to the idea of just being a father figure in a really bad team.
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Re: Dirk 16/17 

Post#55 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 6, 2016 9:46 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:So Dirk is out at least a week. A nightmare start just got worse.


Dirk is really showing his age. If he ends up having to miss significant time because of his achilles I'm thinking they will end up being sellers at the trade deadline.


He is very old. Sure. But... are these issues age related? :( Maybe I'm in denial. :lol: But while it really is a terrible sign this early in the season, the man looked ok just last year and didn't miss a game. Do we really take such a nosedive when we're approaching our forties?

I am trying to prepare myself to the idea of being a bad team, but still having Dirk trot out there and hopefully score some points. I hope he warms up to the idea of just being a father figure in a really bad team.


I think the achilles is definitely age related. Charles Barkley said it perfectly, "Father Time is undefeated". It's happen to all of the all time greats. I think if the team is tanking Dirk might end up calling it a season. If that happens I could see Bogut, Matthews and DWill being pursued by other teams at the trade deadline.
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Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern 

Post#56 » by Jinra » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:49 pm

I know we started to chat about this but it was in another discussion. This deserves its own Topic for others to be able to way in.

So here goes: Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern?

Is this precaution or something else?

Is this Dirk's decision or someone else decision?

And why did this get pushed back to "out indefinitely"?

Why did Dirk even mention retirement during his media spot? (I didn't see any questions being asked so not sure if he was lead into the topic or not)
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Re: Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern 

Post#57 » by 2011Champs » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:00 pm

Dirk is just old. No big concern. Why rush him back when the playoffs are almost certain to be out of reach? I figure he will play enough this season to try to reach some milestones like the 30000 point mark.
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Re: Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern 

Post#58 » by fuller4379 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 10:51 pm

Not a concern since we are pretty much out of the playoff hunt. I am mentally beyond the Dirk era, but I would like to see him hit more milestones. He's had a great career, but I am afraid that Superstar Dirk is in the past now.
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Re: Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern 

Post#59 » by Jinra » Tue Dec 6, 2016 10:58 pm

2011Champs wrote:Dirk is just old. No big concern. Why rush him back when the playoffs are almost certain to be out of reach? I figure he will play enough this season to try to reach some milestones like the 30000 point mark.


I hear you, but isn't that the only reason Dirk is still playing, for personal milestones? He knows this team is going nowhere. And, if he feels like he can change the fortune of this team or hit those milestones, that would indicate that this injury is a bigger deal than they are letting on.

No time-table just seem very weird.
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Re: Is Dirk's Injury a Major Concern 

Post#60 » by Dirk » Tue Dec 6, 2016 11:30 pm

It's definitely weird... I have been having the feeling that maybe they don't really mind losing games. So they are letting this thing sink. The talk about 'not tanking' is just a facade.

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