Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[Bob8]

Apparently like some trolls on these forums, Donnie also thinks Luka is the problem. Maybe Cuban should tell him to turn on the TV from time to time and actually watch some games first before talking.

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I must be one of those trolls because I don't disagree with the comment.

If Luka and KP are to win a championship together I think KP needs to be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka lead the NBA in assists.

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

[agentofatlas]

Apparently like some trolls on these forums, Donnie also thinks Luka is the problem. Maybe Cuban should tell him to turn on the TV from time to time and actually watch some games first before talking.

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I must be one of those trolls because I don't disagree with the comment.

If Luka and KP are to win a championship together I think KP needs to be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka lead the NBA in assists.

KP hasn't shown the capability to create his own shot. This was his first decent offensive season and 80% of the points he scored were assisted. I don't think he can a leading scorer for a play-off team let alone a championship one.

[Bob8]

Maybe Mavs should trade for Micic, this year's Euroleague's MVP? Thunder has the rights for him. He can play alongside Luka and run second unit.

[Mr B]

When considering who the Mavs will target this off season (FA or trade) you have to consider what Carlisle is saying here.

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[Archx]

Apparently like some trolls on these forums, Donnie also thinks Luka is the problem. Maybe Cuban should tell him to turn on the TV from time to time and actually watch some games first before talking.

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I must be one of those trolls because I don't disagree with the comment.

If Luka and KP are to win a championship together I think KP needs to be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka lead the NBA in assists.

I'm not calling you a troll but look at the advance stats for example. Not only normal assists, check hockey assists, potential assists and passes made. Luka ranks basically at the top of the league in all categories. Timmy, DFS and Maxi wouldn't have their career shooting seasons if it wasn't for their open looks.

Like many people already said, for KP to be a top scorer or better player, he himself will have to do something about it. Booker didn't explode on to the scene just because CP3 came to PHX, he already was a great player/scorer before that. CP3 only helped him evolve even more. Same goes for KP, Luka can only do so much for him but if freaking Reggie Jackson can guard him in the post then it doesn't matter if he receives 50 passes per game or 10, he still won't be any better.

[41Dirk41]

When considering who the Mavs will target this off season (FA or trade) you have to consider what Carlisle is saying here.

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I see Marcus Smart in those words...someone seen him multiple games?
I know he is a good defender (but only 1.91 cm) with decent playmaking skills...bad shooter.

[arkuo]

When considering who the Mavs will target this off season (FA or trade) you have to consider what Carlisle is saying here.

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I see Marcus Smart in those words...someone seen him multiple games?
I know he is a good defender (but only 1.91 cm) with decent playmaking skills...bad shooter.

It's hard to find two way players anymore. Considering the assets Dallas has, plus rarity of what they're looking for, the options are really limited.

Dallas wants someone who can score off ball, shoot threes and defends well on multiple positions. If you'd put a name to that, that's essentially a Kawhi Leonard. There is no one available in 2021 free agency that fits that description to a tee. Dallas has to choose if they value offense or defense more then go from there.

[arkuo]

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There is absolutely no one that fits that description in 2021 free agency. Especially considering what the Mavs can afford.

The other side of the equation is if said free agent would want to come to Dallas and do the dirty work here. Not a lot of vets would agree to be a whipping boy for a 22 year old Euro kid. Usually the "rugged" types would like to hang with fellow "rugged" American types. Just sayin.

In essence they are looking for a Kevin Love who would agree to bend over, ditch Minnesota, and do chores for Lebron. Not a lot of choices for a 22 year old European kid.

[arkuo]

I think Dallas can give it a few years to be in the middle of the pack. There is no rush to contend with Luka signing the supermax and with KP locked in for 3 more years.

Devin Booker had a similar path in PHX before actually having a team around him this season. Dallas has an extended timeline to wait it out. Wait for KP, Powell, Kleber and DFS all expire and get an actual team around Luka with cap room.

[XTraderXL]

Apparently like some trolls on these forums, Donnie also thinks Luka is the problem. Maybe Cuban should tell him to turn on the TV from time to time and actually watch some games first before talking.

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I must be one of those trolls because I don't disagree with the comment.

If Luka and KP are to win a championship together I think KP needs to be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka lead the NBA in assists.

That would be fine except KP is not capable of being the top scorer. How is he going to score? He cant post up, he cant drive, he doesnt cut enough, doesnt roll... He will not be hitting 7 threes a game and make 7 FTs. Luka on the other hand can get 30 in his sleep with high efficiency which will be even higher next year when he improves his FTs.

[arkuo]

Apparently like some trolls on these forums, Donnie also thinks Luka is the problem. Maybe Cuban should tell him to turn on the TV from time to time and actually watch some games first before talking.

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I must be one of those trolls because I don't disagree with the comment.

If Luka and KP are to win a championship together I think KP needs to be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka lead the NBA in assists.

That would be fine except KP is not capable of being the top scorer. How is he going to score? He cant post up, he cant drive, he doesnt cut enough, doesnt roll... He will not be hitting 7 threes a game and make 7 FTs. Luka on the other hand can get 30 in his sleep with high efficiency which will be even higher next year when he improves his FTs.

Carlisle needs to experiment with KP at forward a bit. It hides him on defense and utilizes his floor stretching on offense. Dallas has done this for 2 decades with Dirk. Hiding him on defense and giving him the easiest assignment and just standing on the elbow with the occasional matador defense swipe on anyone who drives to the rim. This shouldn't be new to Dallas fans.

If they treat KP like Dirk position-wise, then they can get a more defensive and switchable C to pair him with.

[JD45]

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

His last year in NY, KP averaged 22 pts on 54% true shooting. That was playing with Trey Burke and THJ so he had to make a lot of his own plays. This year in the regular season he averaged 20 pts on 58% true shooting. Luka averaged 28 pts on 59% true shooting.

If Luka gave 6 of his shots per game to KP, I bet he could do at least 50%, which puts KP at 26 pts per game, although likely a little less efficient. Luka would have around 6 points less, but 3 assists more. So he would be at 22 pts and 12 assists. His TS% would likely go up a little. So KP would be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka leads the NBA in assists.

I think that sort of force feeding KP would likely make the Mavs a little less efficient in the regular season, but all that experience with a secondary scorer would make them much better prepared for the playoffs. They would actually have to develop plays for KP.
They would certainly have a much better option when Luka was on the bench.

[arkuo]

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

His last year in NY, KP averaged 22 pts on 54% true shooting. That was playing with Trey Burke and THJ so he had to make a lot of his own plays. This year in the regular season he averaged 20 pts on 58% true shooting. Luka averaged 28 pts on 59% true shooting.

If Luka gave 6 of his shots per game to KP, I bet he could do at least 50%, which puts KP at 26 pts per game, although likely a little less efficient. Luka would have around 6 points less, but 3 assists more. So he would be at 22 pts and 12 assists. His TS% would likely go up a little. So KP would be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka leads the NBA in assists.

I think that sort of force feeding KP would likely make the Mavs a little less efficient in the regular season, but all that experience with a secondary scorer would make them much better prepared for the playoffs. They would actually have to develop plays for KP.
They would certainly have a much better option when Luka was on the bench.

This actually makes sense. It's one step back for Luka and two steps forward for the team.

[JD45]

It's hard to find two way players anymore. Considering the assets Dallas has, plus rarity of what they're looking for, the options are really limited.

Dallas wants someone who can score off ball, shoot threes and defends well on multiple positions. If you'd put a name to that, that's essentially a Kawhi Leonard. There is no one available in 2021 free agency that fits that description to a tee. Dallas has to choose if they value offense or defense more then go from there.

If Josh Green fixes his 3 pt shot, what is he? (No, I am not saying he is Kawhi). Green was a decent 3pt shooter in college. I think he has a form problem, but DFS and Maxi both developed NBA 3s, so it would seem possible Green could do it. In the NBA he played good man defense. And showed good rebounding and passing. I think Green with a fixed 3pt shot is what we had hoped JRich would be.

[arkuo]

It's hard to find two way players anymore. Considering the assets Dallas has, plus rarity of what they're looking for, the options are really limited.

Dallas wants someone who can score off ball, shoot threes and defends well on multiple positions. If you'd put a name to that, that's essentially a Kawhi Leonard. There is no one available in 2021 free agency that fits that description to a tee. Dallas has to choose if they value offense or defense more then go from there.

If Josh Green fixes his 3 pt shot, what is he? (No, I am not saying he is Kawhi). Green was a decent 3pt shooter in college. I think he has a form problem, but DFS and Maxi both developed NBA 3s, so it would seem possible Green could do it. In the NBA he played good man defense. And showed good rebounding and passing. I think Green with a fixed 3pt shot is what we had hoped JRich would be.

If Josh Green fixed his shot, he could at least be a 6'7 Gary Harris type. He can handle the ball and drop dimes. DFS is less skilled but gets heavy starter minutes.

Development comes with opportunity given though. He cant develop with Carlisle having him buried on the bench. Imagine if Green had the same playing time as THT of the Lakers.

[Bob8]

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

His last year in NY, KP averaged 22 pts on 54% true shooting. That was playing with Trey Burke and THJ so he had to make a lot of his own plays. This year in the regular season he averaged 20 pts on 58% true shooting. Luka averaged 28 pts on 59% true shooting.

If Luka gave 6 of his shots per game to KP, I bet he could do at least 50%, which puts KP at 26 pts per game, although likely a little less efficient. Luka would have around 6 points less, but 3 assists more. So he would be at 22 pts and 12 assists. His TS% would likely go up a little. So KP would be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka leads the NBA in assists.

I think that sort of force feeding KP would likely make the Mavs a little less efficient in the regular season, but all that experience with a secondary scorer would make them much better prepared for the playoffs. They would actually have to develop plays for KP.
They would certainly have a much better option when Luka was on the bench.

And what happened after that 22 points season? 2 knee injuries, he's not the same player anymore. He was playing different kind of basketball back then. Forget RS, tell me, what kind of plays would KP need to be effective against Clippers?

[XTraderXL]

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

His last year in NY, KP averaged 22 pts on 54% true shooting. That was playing with Trey Burke and THJ so he had to make a lot of his own plays. This year in the regular season he averaged 20 pts on 58% true shooting. Luka averaged 28 pts on 59% true shooting.

If Luka gave 6 of his shots per game to KP, I bet he could do at least 50%, which puts KP at 26 pts per game, although likely a little less efficient. Luka would have around 6 points less, but 3 assists more. So he would be at 22 pts and 12 assists. His TS% would likely go up a little. So KP would be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka leads the NBA in assists.

I think that sort of force feeding KP would likely make the Mavs a little less efficient in the regular season, but all that experience with a secondary scorer would make them much better prepared for the playoffs. They would actually have to develop plays for KP.
They would certainly have a much better option when Luka was on the bench.

Thats exactly how basketball works

[Bob8]

It's hard to find two way players anymore. Considering the assets Dallas has, plus rarity of what they're looking for, the options are really limited.

Dallas wants someone who can score off ball, shoot threes and defends well on multiple positions. If you'd put a name to that, that's essentially a Kawhi Leonard. There is no one available in 2021 free agency that fits that description to a tee. Dallas has to choose if they value offense or defense more then go from there.

If Josh Green fixes his 3 pt shot, what is he? (No, I am not saying he is Kawhi). Green was a decent 3pt shooter in college. I think he has a form problem, but DFS and Maxi both developed NBA 3s, so it would seem possible Green could do it. In the NBA he played good man defense. And showed good rebounding and passing. I think Green with a fixed 3pt shot is what we had hoped JRich would be.

If Josh Green fixed his shot, he could at least be a 6'7 Gary Harris type. He can handle the ball and drop dimes. DFS is less skilled but gets heavy starter minutes.

Development comes with opportunity given though. He cant develop with Carlisle having him buried on the bench. Imagine if Green had the same playing time as THT of the Lakers.

RC didn't have much choice. He played half of the season with shortened rotation just to get playoffs. Green's 3 point shot is totally off, it's not only about missing them, but how is he missing them. Wide open 3-pointers.

[boogiezen]

The problem with KP being the top scorer? It is UNSUSTAINABLE!!! What Dallas need is another player who can score, create shot and even dependable defensively which I know is hard to find.

[arkuo]

How will KP be leading scorer? He's inefficient for a C, no low post game, not especially good 3-point shooter, doesn't set good screens, doesn't roll, and cannot create his shot. Luka can easily have 25 shots because he creates everything for himself. What kind of plays would you run for Kp? And about championship, someone needs to protect the rim too. KP cannot anymore. That means he has to play 4, meaning he will be totally useless in D and on wrong position in offense.

His last year in NY, KP averaged 22 pts on 54% true shooting. That was playing with Trey Burke and THJ so he had to make a lot of his own plays. This year in the regular season he averaged 20 pts on 58% true shooting. Luka averaged 28 pts on 59% true shooting.

If Luka gave 6 of his shots per game to KP, I bet he could do at least 50%, which puts KP at 26 pts per game, although likely a little less efficient. Luka would have around 6 points less, but 3 assists more. So he would be at 22 pts and 12 assists. His TS% would likely go up a little. So KP would be the Mavs leading scorer and Luka leads the NBA in assists.

I think that sort of force feeding KP would likely make the Mavs a little less efficient in the regular season, but all that experience with a secondary scorer would make them much better prepared for the playoffs. They would actually have to develop plays for KP.
They would certainly have a much better option when Luka was on the bench.

And what happened after that 22 points season? 2 knee injuries, he's not the same player anymore. He was playing different kind of basketball back then. Forget RS, tell me, what kind of plays would KP need to be effective against Clippers?

If I were to base it off the eye test, the Mavs could have mixed it up with Dirk type iso plays for KP. Switch him to a smaller defender, have him iso and shoot midrange as a change of pace. It wouldnt hurt to get a possession or two for something like that. Beats having the Mavs clunk 33 foot 3 pointers and having Kawhi run back on a fastbreak.

Dirk would get isolation plays on top of the key. I think that's a good starting point. Carlisle of all coaches has to be familiar with a player of KP's ilk. He coached Dirk for more than a decade. He's familiar with matador D coming from a big man. This shouldn't be new to him.

Donnie said it during his recent interview. You got a 22 year old who thinks he can win every possession. Which is true to a certain extent. But when the other team is clicking you need to involve your other teammates and go 5v5. 1 v5 with Luka dribbling 54 times per possession pulling rabbits out of his hat is good for Youtube highlights, but that won't win you championships 10 out of 10 times.

Imagine this. Luka dribbling 50 times in a possession, mouse in the house, euro step, crossover, turn around fadeway for two points. Only to get cancelled out when Kawhi runs it back opposite court and drops it off to Morris for an open three. We get that Luka can score 40 if he attempts 30 shots, but playing smart is key moving forward. he cant do it alone. he'll run out of gas eventually in the 4th quarter, which actually happened a couple of times.