What's The Starting Lineup Now?

Maverick41 · Post #41 » by **Maverick41** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:28 pm

We've seen the Powell/KP starting frontcourt before and it didn't work well. Offensively it works at times but defensively it didn't a few years ago even when both Dwight and KP had better mobility then they do now.

The way I see it is Dwight is only starting because we have too many centers and it's hard to find minutes to go around if he doesn't. For example, if Maxi started then that would leave all non-shooting big men to be backups. I see the rationale of having Dwight start because of this but it also means the FO needs consolidate the surplus of Centers to fill other holes.

leolozon · Post #42 » by **leolozon** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:33 pm

KP as a PF? Powell defending centers?

I certainly hope it's not where the team is headed. It would be such a disappointment. I'm not high on Kidd as it is.

leolozon · Post #43 » by **leolozon** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:43 pm

Maverick41 wrote:We've seen the Powell/KP starting frontcourt before and it didn't work well. Offensively it works at times but defensively it didn't a few years ago even when both Dwight and KP had better mobility then they do now.

The way I see it is Dwight is only starting because we have too many centers and it's hard to find minutes to go around if he doesn't. For example, if Maxi started then that would leave all non-shooting big men to be backups. I see the rationale of having Dwight start because of this but it also means the FO needs consolidate the surplus of Centers to fill other holes.

Or the team should accept that their centers are subpar and play a small ball bench unless they are forced to change.

I still think that Bullock should be starting just to help the team start fresh.

Maverick41 · Post #44 » by **Maverick41** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:58 pm

leolozon wrote:Or the team should accept that their centers are subpar and play a small ball bench unless they are forced to change.

I still think that Bullock should be starting just to help the team start fresh.

I agree with both of your points. If Kidd's lineup doesn't go well, my hope is that he adjusts rather then stubbornly plays it to oblivion.

Luka/Bullock/DFS/Kleber/KP to start with both Brunson and THJ playing coming off the bench but with starter minutes is my preference. I like the idea of our 3 best defenders on the floor starting while KP and Luka create and carry the offense. And on the bench, having 2 6th man candidates to lead the 2nd unit when Luka is out will help preserve Luka.

JJP · Post #45 » by **JJP** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:18 pm

I think if you're the coach, it's the right lineup - for now.

Powell is in there for his energy, and because Kidd wants to start with both a center and KP on the wing.
The message to Hardaway is that's he earned the right to start
The message to DFS (who is up for an extension) is that he has earned the right to start

The message to the rest of the Mavericks is that this lineup is temporary and may not represent the lineup at the end of games or even the potential starters at the end of training camp.

This is not a big deal. It almost certainly does not represent what Kidd thinks of the actual talent he has. Since Kidd is a new coach, he has to have the respect of the leaders on this team - and that won't be guys like Bullock just yet. They need time to find their roles.

41Dirk41 · Post #46 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:21 am

I like THJ sixth man a lot but DFS, Bullock and Powell can't stay on the court at same time...they are too limited... no dribble, no pass, no create own shoot.
Only a team with Kobe and Shaq could have those 3 for starters.
In this way Luka will be gassed after 2Q.

Bob8 · Post #47 » by **Bob8** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:07 am

JJP wrote:I think if you're the coach, it's the right lineup - for now.

Powell is in there for his energy, and because Kidd wants to start with both a center and KP on the wing.
The message to Hardaway is that's he earned the right to start
The message to DFS (who is up for an extension) is that he has earned the right to start

The message to the rest of the Mavericks is that this lineup is temporary and may not represent the lineup at the end of games or even the potential starters at the end of training camp.

This is not a big deal. It almost certainly does not represent what Kidd thinks of the actual talent he has. Since Kidd is a new coach, he has to have the respect of the leaders on this team - and that won't be guys like Bullock just yet. They need time to find their roles.

Message I see is, we will do anything to make KP happy, no matter what. KP playing 4 is not what Mavs need. KP is unique player, if he plays on 5. If you put another C beside him, you lose all advantages he brings you.

Post #48 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:02 am

Pre injury (Powell's) in 19-20 KP/Powell/DFS/THJ/Luka had net rating of 11, and was the go to lineup for RC.
There's a very good chemistry between Powell and Luka, Powell runs the P&R, in case of double screen (which Mavs used A LOT under RC) KP joins and acts as a pop threat.
If Powell provides 12/7 on 60% GF% on 25MPG, he'll no longer be a bad contract and can be used in a large trade.

Bob8 · Post #49 » by **Bob8** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:06 am

KhalilS wrote:Pre injury (Powell's) in 19-20 KP/Powell/DFS/THJ/Luka had net rating of 11, and was the go to lineup for RC.
There's a very good chemistry between Powell and Luka, Powell runs the P&R, in case of double screen (which Mavs used A LOT under RC) KP joins and acts as a pop threat.
If Powell provides 12/7 on 60% GF% on 25MPG, he'll no longer be a bad contract and can be used in a large trade.

... and we have seen how KP looks on 4 in playoffs.
I'm ok with this, if plan is to trade them both.

Post #50 » by **Mavrelous** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:16 am

Bob8 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Pre injury (Powell's) in 19-20 KP/Powell/DFS/THJ/Luka had net rating of 11, and was the go to lineup for RC.
There's a very good chemistry between Powell and Luka, Powell runs the P&R, in case of double screen (which Mavs used A LOT under RC) KP joins and acts as a pop threat.
If Powell provides 12/7 on 60% GF% on 25MPG, he'll no longer be a bad contract and can be used in a large trade.

... and we have seen how KP looks on 4 in playoffs.
I'm ok with this, if plan is to trade them both.

I wouldn't build too much on what happened in the PO, there was clearly a meltdown in the FO and coaching staff, KP was used as corner 3-pt shooter and no plays were run for him, and yes, I think they will trade both of them once they have enough value to justify the trade.

daoneandonly · Post #51 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:11 pm

Jason Kidd is a buffoon. Dwight Powell is a 8-10 minute a game player, not an NBA starter

41Dirk41 · Post #52 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:48 pm

They have to play Powell for increase his trade value, no more.
But i think it's pretty impossible.

daoneandonly · Post #53 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:57 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:They have to play Powell for increase his trade value, no more.
But i think it's pretty impossible.

Dont see that plan working, terrible idea to play KP at the 4 and Powell any more than 10 minutes. Recipe for disaster

41Dirk41 · Post #54 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:18 pm

Seems like Kidd doesn't have a lot of options, the roster is basically the same than last year. No major add or change.
It's not his fault.

Darren · Post #55 » by **Darren** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 2:16 pm

I've watched the practice game.

I think those are the players in the rotation.

C - Maxi - Moses / Boban (Inactive: WCS, Powell)
PF - KP - Omoruyi (yes, I'm surprised that the Mavs find a rotation piece on 2-way contract)
SF - DFS - Omoruyi / Green (Green is actually more impressive than Bullock and Sterling Brown but Omoruyi stole the spotlight)
SG - Hardaway (Inactive: Bullock, Sterling Brown)
PG - Doncic / Burke / Brunson

Ntilikina has not played the whole game. Powell could be situational stretch big stopper. Burke is so underrated while Brunson is too overhyped. WCS and Bullock are overpaid. Moses deserves minutes. So is Omoruyi. Green does show flashes but has some lectures on decision making. Sorry but both Bullock and Sterling Brown are far from impressive. I'd pick Burke over both for now. Possibly, I've Ntilikina ahead of the duo in rotation as well. Both fails to qualify in either 3 or D category. Brown hustles more than Bullock. 11M per for a no show yet again. That's awful asset management.

I'd cut WCS and Terry for Omoruyi and Ntilikina. I'd explore Powell + Brunson for Dragic trade.

Mr B · Post #56 » by **Mr B** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 6:14 pm

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Eugene Omoruyi is going to play a major role for the Mavs this year.

41Dirk41 · Post #57 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 6:29 pm

Are you surprise? Bullock is a role player, he can only shoots for 3 and plays decent/good defense(i hope better than the overrated DFS).
But the forum and Cuban maked a party for this sign.

41Dirk41 · Post #58 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 6:35 pm

Omoruyi could be a steal. We will see if he can play in real NBA games.

Pofukauskas · Post #59 » by **Pofukauskas** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 9:53 pm

Just watched the scrimmage game and it's mostly the same as last year...
Besides Luka only Omoruyi has NBA playoffs physique and no one else can consistently create for others...
There's still bunch of trash/deadweight at the center position...You have pure trash (Powell, Boban, WCS), 2 roleplayers that can't create for themselves (KP, Kleber) and a project (Brown). I'd cut the first three on the spot...if only this team had a Bobby Portis instead of this trash...
KP still can't guard anyone. Everyone scored on him at will, he didn't stop anything. It's going to be a problem again...

Based on what I've seen I'd play:

Doncic/Brunson/Brown
THJ/Brown/Green
DFS/Bullock
Omoruyi/Kleber
KP/Brown

Yes, I'd start Omoruyi, play him 15-20 mpg, and have him focus on D. Cut everyone else. Get a physical (240+ lb) wing and a defensive (265+ lb) 4/5.

Darren · Post #60 » by **Darren** » Tue Oct 5, 2021 12:03 am

Mr B wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Eugene Omoruyi is going to play a major role for the Mavs this year.

Only Moses provides some sort of presence in paint. I'd not include Moses in Dragic package. But Moses should finish the rim or hit the free throw at much higher rate. I think paint defense is still an area of serious work. The pleasant surprise is easily Eugene. Boban and WCS are missing out from the list. I believe both score at least 3 points. Paying Bullock 11M per looks pretty bad now. The Mavs should have signed Rose instead. Burke is still the better floor manager of the 2nd unit. Brunson is more a scorer type. And yet the Mavs is looking to remove Burke and overpay Brunson. That's problematic.

Problems yet to be resolved.
1. Interior defense - no shotblocking presence
2. No efficient scoring 2nd unit
3. Inefficient from perimeter despite signing so many shooters