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What would you do about the playmaker situation?

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Which do you prefer?

Trade for Rozier
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20%
Trade for Sexton (somehow)
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10%
Trade for 1 of PatBev, Conley or Clarkson
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10%
Trade for Coby White
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Trade for Devonte Graham
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Trade for Westbrook
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10%
Sign Schroeder
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30%
Do nothing. Let's see how it goes and then make a move later if it fails
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20%
Screw it, unleash the Hardy Party
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#41 » by Bob8 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:18 am

41Dirk41 wrote:The stars price is setted but only few of them worths it... Gobert not for sure. Mitchell maybe.

It's easier sign someone from FA... But we are the Mavs so maybe not for us :lol:


You need to have cap space for that. Mavs are unbelievable combinations of 0 assets and 0 cap space.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#42 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:22 am

Mavs don't need a star, simply the means to trade for someone like Sexton would be nice, but even that Mavs don't have.
I hope they free their picks and some cap space next year, Bertans and THJ deals would be less scary and they have more room to maneuver.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#43 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:13 am

Mavs decidedly need another star for win the ring.

GSW series spoken. We were a no match for them.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#44 » by arkuo » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:10 am

That WCF match up proves that the Mavs are still very far from being contenders. Essentially GSW swept them 4-0 but probably felt bad so they let you win one. If prime Lebron needs another star, Luka is still a nobody at this point, then bottomline is he needs another star.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#45 » by Bob8 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:18 am

arkuo wrote:That WCF match up proves that the Mavs are still very far from being contenders. Essentially GSW swept them 4-0 but probably felt bad so they let you win one. If prime Lebron needs another star, Luka is still a nobody at this point, then bottomline is he needs another star.


Luka might need another star, but he needs even more decent starters. Dinwiddie, DFS, Wood, Mcgee are worse than vast majority of starting lineups in Nba.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#46 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:33 am

41Dirk41 wrote:Mavs decidedly need another star for win the ring.

GSW series spoken. We were a no match for them.


Players had no legs and team had no center, the series was lost in game 2.
Mavs definitely need better player, good big (they have Wood now, I thought Wood/Hartenstein/Kleber is a good big rotation), Sexton instead of Brunson, and another good wing (they have THJ now), but they don't really need a star.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#47 » by arkuo » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:37 am

Bob8 wrote:
arkuo wrote:That WCF match up proves that the Mavs are still very far from being contenders. Essentially GSW swept them 4-0 but probably felt bad so they let you win one. If prime Lebron needs another star, Luka is still a nobody at this point, then bottomline is he needs another star.


Luka might need another star, but he needs even more decent starters. Dinwiddie, DFS, Wood, Mcgee are worse than vast majority of starting lineups in Nba.



It will take a few seasons to undo what Donnie Nelson has done. Luka will have to wait his time. Steph Curry had Monta Ellis and company before he had Klay And Draymond. Luka is a nobody in America. Guys like Kawhi are not itching to play with him. Nico needs to be creative.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#48 » by Darren » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:39 am

GSW actually gets even deeper this offseason.
DDV ~ Payton
Green ~ Porter
Hermangomez ~ Beylicia
Both Moody and Kuminga look like something

That's crazy.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#49 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:32 pm

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41Dirk41 wrote:Mavs decidedly need another star for win the ring.

GSW series spoken. We were a no match for them.


Players had no legs and team had no center, the series was lost in game 2.
Mavs definitely need better player, good big (they have Wood now, I thought Wood/Hartenstein/Kleber is a good big rotation), Sexton instead of Brunson, and another good wing (they have THJ now), but they don't really need a star.


Your analysis is too superficial .... GSW was too much for us, that series never started.

But if you say that we only need a better back-up C, a guy like Sexton and another wing better than Bullock and DFS then i'm agree with you... So it's easier sign another star than those 3 players :wink:

Dallas has a lot of good players but only 1 star, Luka can't win alone.
LeBron never did it.
MJ never did it.
Kobe never did it.
Kawhi never did it.

I hope Wood will reach the all star level this season and push us at high level.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#50 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:41 pm

I think DAL with Sexton (instead if Brunson), Hartenstein + Wood (instead of McGee + Powell) and Cam Johnson/DeAndre Hunter instead of THJ would beat GSW.
DFS/Bullock wouldn't have played 40 MPG for 13 games in 4 weeks, Maxi would've played less minutes.
It's all hypothetical, but Luka specifically doesn't need a star, Steph doesn't need either, I don't think Klay/Green/Wiggins would've been stars if it wasn't for Curry.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#51 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:48 pm

KhalilS wrote:I think DAL with Sexton (instead if Brunson), Hartenstein + Wood (instead of McGee + Powell) and Cam Johnson/DeAndre Hunter instead of THJ would beat GSW.
DFS/Bullock wouldn't have played 40 MPG for 13 games in 4 weeks, Maxi would've played less minutes.
It's all hypothetical, but Luka specifically doesn't need a star, Steph doesn't need either, I don't think Klay/Green/Wiggins would've been stars if it wasn't for Curry.


I don't know if you are right or not but that roster is very good and can contend for sure.
But those are 3 relevant addictions and we don't have cap space and/or assets for sign them.
Nico has to be creative.

Klay and Green are not in their prime but they are still stars, with or without Steph... Maybe not at his level or LeBron/KD/Kawhi/ecc level but for sure 1/2 tiers above all our starters not named Luka (Wood is a big "?").
Wiggins is a former #1 pick with a ton of talent... And plays the DFS role for them. Unbelieveble.

Steph without Klay (and maybe Dray, i don't remember) lost the play in and didn't make PO... He needs stars. Everybody need star.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#52 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:54 pm

My point is Dallas needs another star or better starters and i think it's easier sign a star (or almost star) than make 2/3 upgrades in S5.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#53 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:29 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I don't know if you are right or not but that roster is very good and can contend for sure.
But those are 3 relevant addictions and we don't have cap space and/or assets for sign them.
Nico has to be creative.


Nico is at fault, he signed Boban, Brown and Chriss into this years needlessly.
Most of this board warned from signing THJ into a large deal, he should've ditched the race, if THJ was signed for 60 he would be much more movable.
These moves put DAL into 10+ million more than they should've been.
Cap management should be the basis, they didn't plan for ****, and were caught totally off guard when Brunson bolted.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#54 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:47 pm

Micic back to Turkey as expected.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#55 » by arkuo » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:30 pm

KhalilS wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I don't know if you are right or not but that roster is very good and can contend for sure.
But those are 3 relevant addictions and we don't have cap space and/or assets for sign them.
Nico has to be creative.


Nico is at fault, he signed Boban, Brown and Chriss into this years needlessly.
Most of this board warned from signing THJ into a large deal, he should've ditched the race, if THJ was signed for 60 he would be much more movable.
These moves put DAL into 10+ million more than they should've been.
Cap management should be the basis, they didn't plan for ****, and were caught totally off guard when Brunson bolted.


Yeah THJ signing was a head scratcher.

Had Kyle Lowry said yes to Mark Cuban that summer, THJ would have been in another team by now. Which means he was never part of the core plan moving forward. Plan A was always to sign Kyle Lowry until he said no. And for the record thank God he did. I didnt want THJ either.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#56 » by Mr B » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:45 pm

Maverick41 wrote:So I think the consensus on this board is that we need another guard that can handle the ball. Now the market for that kind of player is kind of dry. Here are the options that have been brought up the most:

Rozier - good scorer, can playmake. Bad contract. Probably THJ + Green + SRP type swap (maybe more)
Sexton - Very good scorer but has tunnel vision and not a good defender. Would take a lot of salary cap manuevering to acquire.
PatBev - Good defender, good 3 point shooter. Can't playmake. Probably a Powell + Green+ SRPs type swap.
Conley - Good 3 point shooter and smart. Kind of over the hill and really bad contract.
Clarkson - Good scorer, decent defender. Can't playmake for others. Probably would require a FRP
Coby White - good scorer, good size, bad defender. Maybe a Green swap is possible.
Graham - Good shooter. Bad defender, bad contract. Would probably only require a Powell swap.
Schroeder - Good scorer, playmaker and has been a good defender in earlier days. Very bad attitude. Maybe vet min.
Westbrook - Gigantic expiring contract, good playmaker, terrible shooter, would have to accept a bench role.

Then there's the option of doing nothing. Praying that the team can somehow handle the ball handling duties collectively and perhaps just keeping the powder dry for someone later. OR just unleashing Hardy and letting him develop and play through mistakes.

If you were Nico, what do you do?

I haven’t read everyone’s responses yet but if I were Nico this is what I would do.

All of these guys listed could help in some way however none are replacing what Brunson brought and all are flawed. I would pay more than the vet min on a 1 year deal for any of these guys. Conley and Pat Bev would be at the top of my list for these guys.

But if I were Nico I wouldn’t knee jerk and sign one of these guys just to sign a guy. My eyes would be on the trade deadline. Someone will become available and the Mavs have always had better luck adding talent through trades than through free agency. I don’t know who that player could be yet but there is always a couple of teams that are tanking and looking to dump contracts. Dinwiddie is a perfect example.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#57 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:52 pm

KhalilS wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I don't know if you are right or not but that roster is very good and can contend for sure.
But those are 3 relevant addictions and we don't have cap space and/or assets for sign them.
Nico has to be creative.


Nico is at fault, he signed Boban, Brown and Chriss into this years needlessly.
Most of this board warned from signing THJ into a large deal, he should've ditched the race, if THJ was signed for 60 he would be much more movable.
These moves put DAL into 10+ million more than they should've been.
Cap management should be the basis, they didn't plan for ****, and were caught totally off guard when Brunson bolted.


Yes , Nico was terribile in his first off season.
We've always said that. It's not a secret.
This season he makes good moves, the Brunson fiasco is a Cuban-Nelson mistake. Those 2 stupid guys wasted 2/3 Luka years.

We can only hope THJ starts hot the season and put good numbers, his contract decreasing and next season it will a little bit above the MLE. Not so bad.
I like him and his passion, last PO series against Clips was the only who helped Luka. He earns another try.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#58 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:27 pm

Woods McGee and Hardy could offer enough improvement to take the team to the finals. If we had Woods last season and McGee then GSW would have suffered on their inside game and they got a lot of points in the paint that they would not have received against the new guys. Bullock and DFS played really tough defense but tired legs happen when your playing that many minutes so they benefit from the arrival of the new guys too. How? They will keep their minutes closer to 30 minutes a game now.

ANALYSIS your main minutes guys at 1 through 3 are
Luka
Din
THJ
DFS
Bullock
48 minutes are all we need at PG, SG and SF. 48 X 3 = 144 minutes / 5 guys equals 28.8 minutes and you know that Luka is going to play in the mid 30's so that takes that 28 minutes down even lower for the remaining 4 players. Yes DFS will play a little at PF but that may make up for some of the extra minutes Luka plays. With Woods at the 4 and Kleeber there as well there is not going to be a huge need for DFS to play a lot at the 4.

hope for developing talent and or a trade is still somewhat realistic considering we have a few guys that could improve and break out

Hardy has shown he is a hard working ambitious guy who can score a lot of points fast. Realistically he is about a year away but he may accelerate his growth to arrive at a point well above average and join the rotation this season.
Frank is still a good defender and has PG skills
Green is a SG that could start to hit his 3's
Pinson at 6'5" was signed because the team saw something in him last season and that potential may mature this seasonm he does come from a good school.
Kleeber may regain his 40% 3 point shooting touch if not both he and Powell are on expiring contracts to help us get a player with a salary of around 25 million.
Bertans is way overpaid so no help at all because you would have to add a pick to get someone to take him but next season he becomes that expiring contract we sell to someone at the TDL
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Post#59 » by SOUNDCHASER » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:41 pm

Also Utah and Miami have extra centers that we may pick up after the cuts are made. You need to have Powells replacement to trade him off at the TDL so its wise to replace his minutes with a true real sized center. We may be able to use his expiring at the TDL to get a guy someone either wants to give up on or who is unhappy and overpaid being the team pulled a Utah on him and is no longer wanting to let a vet that is paid a lot of money eat up minutes on a team that is tanking.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#60 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:07 am

There are more chances that Bingham will became an all star than our roster could beat an healthy GSW in a 7games serie.

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