Nets-Portland-Dallas

[FGump]

-If this trade had went down on Monday, there was a slim chance that Stackhouse could resign with the Mavs and be eligible for the playoffs. However, players can only be playoff eligible if they sign before March 1st. So its virtually no way Stackhouse could return to the Mavs and play in the playoffs for them. He can sign with them for the rest of the regular season however. .

None of that is true.

You can sign a player on the last day of the season if you wish, and he'll be playoff eligible.

[Sken]

You can sign a player on the last day of the season if you wish, and he'll be playoff eligible.

As long as the player was waived prior to March 1st.

You are correct that the signing date has no bearing, but the waiver date is the important factor.

With a February Trade Deadline, most teams work out a deal with acquired players they do not intend to keep, however there have been a couple of ugly buyouts that threated to prevent the player from being released in time to be eligible for the playoffs.

[Varsity878]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Teffer10]

This deal should not happen soon or as it is currently structured.
Mavs should wait this one out until the last minute of the TDL...if at all.

Harris, Bass, George and Stack are way too much for Kidd...especially when Harris is going to a young team in the west that is a PG away from being something special.

[Wizenheimer]

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I can care less if Stack returns. Harris & Bass are bigger losses.

And that Portland fan undersetimates Bass if he thinks their frountcourt gets hurt. Losing Outlaw would be big, but Bass is better than Frye and Harris is much better than Jack.

you're kidding right?

The supposed proposed trade would have Portland's frontcourt trade Outlaw and Frye for Bass. I know Harris is part of it, but I was talking about the blazer frontcourt.

Travis Outlaw is 6'9 and Frye is 6'10+. Frye plays a lot of C for portland when he hasn't played PF, and Outlaw plays PF with occasional stints as a SF. Bass was measured at the orlando pre-draft camp as 6'6.25 barefoot and 6'7.25 in shoes.

Portland would be trading away a lot of frontcourt versatility and depth for a somewhat undersized PF.

Furthermore, the assertion that Bass is better then frye is debatable. Bass plays 2 minutes more a game then frye, but only outscores him 7.7 to 6.7. On the other hand, Frye rebounds at a higher rate. Frye shoots a shade better from the floor, while Bass is a little better on free throws. Frye gets more assists and has fewer turnovers.

Because frye can play backup minutes at C, right now he has more value to portland then Bass would.

The bottom line is that harris would be a significant upgrade to jack at PG, but Bass would be a significant downgrade from Outlaw as 6th man. And portland has to lose frye on top of that.

It's understandable why Dallas would consider and reject this particular trade. It's equally understanable why portland would.

[JES12]

^^^
Brandon Bass playes better defense than Frye, and plays SF, PF anbd C, but whatever. For the sake of argument, they are a wash.

Harris + Bass for Frye + Outlaw + Jack is a no brainer decision for Portland. Hell, thats a no brainer without Bass.

[elwudl]

before the season started I was not too high on devin harris. but while the season progressed I built up the oppinion that he somehow is our second best player. you can see this when he is not on the court, especially when he's hurt.

and replacing him with jkidd? the things jkidd would give us more are assists and rebounds and leadership. key to our championship? particularly when you consider that there is no guarantee in jkidd fitting in very well.

we are not in need of a distributor. we are in need of a big guard stopper, an outside shooter and an offensive inside presence. if only one of that needs could be adressed I think we are fine. and kidd presents none of the needs.

[Wizenheimer]

^^^
Brandon Bass playes better defense than Frye, and plays SF, PF anbd C, but whatever. For the sake of argument, they are a wash.

Harris + Bass for Frye + Outlaw + Jack is a no brainer decision for Portland. Hell, thats a no brainer without Bass.

you're right...it's a no-brainer...that's why portland rightly said NO

[mavsfoty]

Hypothetical Conundrum No. 2 connected to a potential Kidd trade with Dallas: What happens to Jerry Stackhouse if the Nets indeed get him from the Mavs as part of the swap and then buy him out as expected?

As long as Stackhouse is freed from the Nets by March 1, he'd be eligible to play in the playoffs for his next employer.

Yet if Stackhouse were to return to the Mavericks -- an invitation Dallas would surely extend Stack given that his experience, aggressiveness and toughness off the bench are all still valued commodities in Mavsland -- he'd have to sit out 30 days before he could rejoin them.

That's unofficially known as The Gary Payton Rule, which was instituted after Payton was dealt by Boston to Atlanta at the trade deadline in 2005, only to rejoin the Celtics three days later after the Hawks agreed to release him in a pre-arranged deal. Since the summer of 2005, players who are traded and then waived by their new team are forced to wait 30 days before re-signing (only 20 in the offseason) with the team that just traded them.

The irony here, though, is that Dallas also got at a player back in Payton-like circumstances at the '05 deadline when Alan Henderson was sent to Milwaukee as part of a deal for Keith Van Horn before the Bucks set Henderson free so he could return to the Mavs. Not that anyone ever suggested that we refer to the new regulation as The Alan Henderson Rule.

From Marc Stein on ESPN's Weekend Dime.

And there we go.