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daoneandonly wrote:With SA likely taking Harper at #2, they'd then have Fox/Harper/Castle. Does that make Vassel tradeable? Would they want to pair PJ with Wemby and have Gaff back him up?
PJ/Gaff for Devin Vassel?
41Dirk41 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:With SA likely taking Harper at #2, they'd then have Fox/Harper/Castle. Does that make Vassel tradeable? Would they want to pair PJ with Wemby and have Gaff back him up?
PJ/Gaff for Devin Vassel?
Vassell signed a 5years 150M contract... Ouch. He is heavy overpaid probably.
Fox is a good target if San Antonio wants to go young.
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Archx wrote:Nico taking L's left and right, yet somehow he still has the safest job in the NBA. This must be one of the weirdest things in the history of sports.
MassimoPayne wrote:I still don't know if we even should trade Gaff.
As much as i like PJ I think he should go first.
Lively just played 90 games in two years. Is still very raw. The whole thing just makes sense if he takes another big step.
arkuo wrote:So I've been playing around with ideas and it seems like getting Coby White makes the most sense now. He'll be the PG that ties all these offensive options in. You get a P&R partner for AD and Flagg. He's 25 years old so he's going to do the heavy lifting to preserve Kyrie. Even at $25M to $30M per, I think you have to do it. His PG peers are earming in that range (Anfernee Simmons, Immanuel Quickley etc). If we're looking for a bargain player, or someone who will take a paycut to help the Mavs, I don't think we will be able to find that. Pay him $25M per, PJ and Gaff are expiring in a year, Klay and Naji are expiring in 2 years anyway. He'll just take the space that those guys will vacate.
At $25M to $30M per, he'll be having a multi-purpose role that does heavy lifting. That's right up there in terms of market value. I think you have to do it if it's on the table. At 25, he'll still be here long after Kyrie and AD when they retire.
Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:So I've been playing around with ideas and it seems like getting Coby White makes the most sense now. He'll be the PG that ties all these offensive options in. You get a P&R partner for AD and Flagg. He's 25 years old so he's going to do the heavy lifting to preserve Kyrie. Even at $25M to $30M per, I think you have to do it. His PG peers are earming in that range (Anfernee Simmons, Immanuel Quickley etc). If we're looking for a bargain player, or someone who will take a paycut to help the Mavs, I don't think we will be able to find that. Pay him $25M per, PJ and Gaff are expiring in a year, Klay and Naji are expiring in 2 years anyway. He'll just take the space that those guys will vacate.
At $25M to $30M per, he'll be having a multi-purpose role that does heavy lifting. That's right up there in terms of market value. I think you have to do it if it's on the table. At 25, he'll still be here long after Kyrie and AD when they retire.
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins.
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Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:So I've been playing around with ideas and it seems like getting Coby White makes the most sense now. He'll be the PG that ties all these offensive options in. You get a P&R partner for AD and Flagg. He's 25 years old so he's going to do the heavy lifting to preserve Kyrie. Even at $25M to $30M per, I think you have to do it. His PG peers are earming in that range (Anfernee Simmons, Immanuel Quickley etc). If we're looking for a bargain player, or someone who will take a paycut to help the Mavs, I don't think we will be able to find that. Pay him $25M per, PJ and Gaff are expiring in a year, Klay and Naji are expiring in 2 years anyway. He'll just take the space that those guys will vacate.
At $25M to $30M per, he'll be having a multi-purpose role that does heavy lifting. That's right up there in terms of market value. I think you have to do it if it's on the table. At 25, he'll still be here long after Kyrie and AD when they retire.
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins. His contract is also insanely friendly at only 9M per.
daoneandonly wrote:Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:So I've been playing around with ideas and it seems like getting Coby White makes the most sense now. He'll be the PG that ties all these offensive options in. You get a P&R partner for AD and Flagg. He's 25 years old so he's going to do the heavy lifting to preserve Kyrie. Even at $25M to $30M per, I think you have to do it. His PG peers are earming in that range (Anfernee Simmons, Immanuel Quickley etc). If we're looking for a bargain player, or someone who will take a paycut to help the Mavs, I don't think we will be able to find that. Pay him $25M per, PJ and Gaff are expiring in a year, Klay and Naji are expiring in 2 years anyway. He'll just take the space that those guys will vacate.
At $25M to $30M per, he'll be having a multi-purpose role that does heavy lifting. That's right up there in terms of market value. I think you have to do it if it's on the table. At 25, he'll still be here long after Kyrie and AD when they retire.
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins.
Yea i dont know why people are forgetting PJ. He bailed us out in many games last postseason and really is the glue guy leader of this team. WHich is why I'd prefer he and Flagg are the team's forwards and Street Clothes Davis is gone
arkuo wrote:Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:So I've been playing around with ideas and it seems like getting Coby White makes the most sense now. He'll be the PG that ties all these offensive options in. You get a P&R partner for AD and Flagg. He's 25 years old so he's going to do the heavy lifting to preserve Kyrie. Even at $25M to $30M per, I think you have to do it. His PG peers are earming in that range (Anfernee Simmons, Immanuel Quickley etc). If we're looking for a bargain player, or someone who will take a paycut to help the Mavs, I don't think we will be able to find that. Pay him $25M per, PJ and Gaff are expiring in a year, Klay and Naji are expiring in 2 years anyway. He'll just take the space that those guys will vacate.
At $25M to $30M per, he'll be having a multi-purpose role that does heavy lifting. That's right up there in terms of market value. I think you have to do it if it's on the table. At 25, he'll still be here long after Kyrie and AD when they retire.
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins. His contract is also insanely friendly at only 9M per.
There is risk. But my thinking is if you enter the season with Dinwiddie and Exum again, that season's going to be a wash. Since Nico anchored himself on a boat that would try to win it all in 1 or 2 years, I suggest going all in on White.
Let's assume the trade is Klay + Gaff and pick for White + Zach Collins' expiring deal. Either way the Mavs will need to trim player salary with or without a deal. If they don't make a deal, they let 2 of PJ, Gaff or Klay walk to avoid the 2nd apron. So my thinking is to get someone you need rather than standing pat. Getting Lonzo or DSJ is just a stop gap solution. You'll find yourself back to square one the following year trying to look for another long term PG and those names from the previous year are going to be picked up most likely.
The main takeaway is you have to pay to play. Boston, Golden State, the Lakers all won with bloated payrolls. No cap saving team has won a ring. You do it in runs, right? You fill out the roster and give yourself a chance to go for a deep run. After winning, then you find ways to trim down salary. I just don't see how the Mavs can find a bargain who can do a lot of the things required to move the needle.
Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:Archx wrote:
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins. His contract is also insanely friendly at only 9M per.
There is risk. But my thinking is if you enter the season with Dinwiddie and Exum again, that season's going to be a wash. Since Nico anchored himself on a boat that would try to win it all in 1 or 2 years, I suggest going all in on White.
Let's assume the trade is Klay + Gaff and pick for White + Zach Collins' expiring deal. Either way the Mavs will need to trim player salary with or without a deal. If they don't make a deal, they let 2 of PJ, Gaff or Klay walk to avoid the 2nd apron. So my thinking is to get someone you need rather than standing pat. Getting Lonzo or DSJ is just a stop gap solution. You'll find yourself back to square one the following year trying to look for another long term PG and those names from the previous year are going to be picked up most likely.
The main takeaway is you have to pay to play. Boston, Golden State, the Lakers all won with bloated payrolls. No cap saving team has won a ring. You do it in runs, right? You fill out the roster and give yourself a chance to go for a deep run. After winning, then you find ways to trim down salary. I just don't see how the Mavs can find a bargain who can do a lot of the things required to move the needle.
Keep in mind that Dinwiddie and Exum can be had for vet min... those contracts are basically irrelevant for any apron level. They still count towards salary cap but it's a very small %. Unless someone offers them more obviously.
And yes Mavs will be looking for a PG, that is a fact. But out of all players i think trading PJ would be a huge mistake. It's just that when they draft Flagg, Mavs chances of making any significant trades will be almost gone out the window. They'll be only 1M under the 2nd apron. And that is already NOT counting Exum and DInwiddie.
Grimes trade screwed up this team's flexibility because Nico is a complete moron. Even AD lost 6M in that trade because Nico convinced him to lift his trade clause and now Mavs will have extra 9M on payroll for no reason at all. Letting Grimes walk would have been the better option unless you get serious return but not Martin on a long deal lol.
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.
Archx wrote:ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.
That would be a dream but i feel like he'll get a better offer somewhere.
ACMFFL wrote:Archx wrote:ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.
That would be a dream but i feel like he'll get a better offer somewhere.
Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.
Deuteronomy 30:19 wrote:I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live
Archx wrote:arkuo wrote:Archx wrote:
Not a fan of losing 4 players for 1. You do that if you completely reset the roster and build only around Lively/Flagg and in this case, White. But do you really want him to be part of the core? I'm not sure about that...
Also, here is something people missed, Mavs were 8-17 without PJ just this season. He brings much, much more to this team than just scoring. For example, they were still 11-14 without Gafford. And Naji (when he's not sick), has been very good for this team, averaged 20ppg for a month, helping Mavs stay at least in the play ins. His contract is also insanely friendly at only 9M per.
There is risk. But my thinking is if you enter the season with Dinwiddie and Exum again, that season's going to be a wash. Since Nico anchored himself on a boat that would try to win it all in 1 or 2 years, I suggest going all in on White.
Let's assume the trade is Klay + Gaff and pick for White + Zach Collins' expiring deal. Either way the Mavs will need to trim player salary with or without a deal. If they don't make a deal, they let 2 of PJ, Gaff or Klay walk to avoid the 2nd apron. So my thinking is to get someone you need rather than standing pat. Getting Lonzo or DSJ is just a stop gap solution. You'll find yourself back to square one the following year trying to look for another long term PG and those names from the previous year are going to be picked up most likely.
The main takeaway is you have to pay to play. Boston, Golden State, the Lakers all won with bloated payrolls. No cap saving team has won a ring. You do it in runs, right? You fill out the roster and give yourself a chance to go for a deep run. After winning, then you find ways to trim down salary. I just don't see how the Mavs can find a bargain who can do a lot of the things required to move the needle.
Keep in mind that Dinwiddie and Exum can be had for vet min... those contracts are basically irrelevant for any apron level. They still count towards salary cap but it's a very small %. Unless someone offers them more obviously.
And yes Mavs will be looking for a PG, that is a fact. But out of all players i think trading PJ would be a huge mistake. It's just that when they draft Flagg, Mavs chances of making any significant trades will be almost gone out the window. They'll be only 1M under the 2nd apron. And that is already NOT counting Exum and DInwiddie.
Grimes trade screwed up this team's flexibility because Nico is a complete moron. Even AD lost 6M in that trade because Nico convinced him to lift his trade clause and now Mavs will have extra 9M on payroll for no reason at all. Letting Grimes walk would have been the better option unless you get serious return but not Martin on a long deal lol.