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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#461 » by Dirk » Tue Jul 5, 2016 12:54 am

Captain_Obvious wrote:How much money is left? If we renounce Zaza of course.


There's no money left. The Mavs according to reports plan to give the rest of the cap space to Dirk, so that means, there's only the room exception left ($2.9 million).

Updated the first post. Dirk should make between 11-12 million. I'm assuming the Mavs will release McGee.

Ironically, if the Mavs had negotiated a better deal with Powell (paying him $6 million this year), they would have had $6-7 million in cap space right now (including Dirk's $12.5 million cap hold), they could have signed him with the early bird rights exception, instead of re-signing him with cap space as they had to do.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#462 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:03 am

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arkuo wrote:Interesting. With these moves, I expect Cuban to make a hard run at Giannis Antetokounmpo and Rudy Gobert next summer to replace Bogut. Giannis will be Dirk's successor. Called it first. ;)

That's a Donnie move right there


Please think carefully, I don't want to be the Bucks. Gobert's a good shotblocker. But it's his only skillsets. He's restricted. Do you think Utah will let him go? Giannis can play 6-9 PG. I am okay with him. But he's restricted as well. If you were the Bucks, you'll retain him at all cost.

Technically, we can't sign two max players. We only have Bogut, DWill and Harris off the book. Not nearly enough. With the new cap inflation, we may end up with nothing. I'd rather sign them to cap friendly contract and build a team with trades and operates over the cap. Unless we trade Matthews and Barea for expiring and draft picks, I don't see this happening. Even if we can, please don't sign two offensive liability. One is alright. I'd rather re-sign Bogut than taking on Gobert. He seems to be purely long arms. He can only block shots. Nothing else. We'd better do our homework on which PG we're going to target next summer. And then send Dirk to an equivalent amount to keep his cap hold and at the same time being able to give the highest bidding price for him as the final piece. And then, we go over the cap to re-sign Dirk and Bogut. Unless we hold a TO for Powell next offseason, we can't go for a big fish. Let alone two. For example, we can come agree to term with Bogut and Dirk once the Mavs sign a new starting PG; and they agree to term with DWill with MLE. So we have Dirk's new contract + Devin Harris's (TO) + DWill's 10M contract to land an all-rounded PG - minus those new contract, though. We might think of the PG we're targeting at. And then, snap him like a shark next offseason. We simply need him to know we've agreed to term with Bogut, Dirk and DWill. Once he signed, the rest will take care of themselves. So what we

C - Andrew Bogut (cap hold) / Salah Merji (cap hold) / AJ Hammons
PF - Dirk Nowitzki (cap hold) / Dwight Powell / 1st round pick (next season)
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Anderson / undrafted rookie or BAE (this season)
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea / Vendar Blue (undrafted rookie this season)
PG - All-star PG (max) / Deron Williams (renounce but re-signed with MLE) / Marquis Teague (undrafted rookie this season)

If we do it like that, how much we pay Dirk this summer may make a huge difference. As we have to count his cap hold. We'd better calculate it quickly. Who we're going to target at what cost? And do we need to trade JJ or Matthews by deadline? Don't get me wrong. I know Bogut would be 32 next summer. However, skilled and athletic center is difficult to come by. And under the new cap, you can't have 5 super young stars as starter for long. That's being said, I am content with 2 older players as starters.

The most logical target is indeed Westbrook if he can forgive Mark Cuban's words previously. Bogut-Dirk-Barnes-Matthews-Westbrook with a depth bench is indeed a super team in the making. All other PGs (Steph Curry, Chris Paul) will stay home. No quality center is unrestricted except Andrew Bogut. That's the plan we can work out early. With DWill agreeing to a 1-year contract. I expect him to be ok as backup PG and let us pursuit an all-star caliber PG.

First round draft choice:
PF/C 7-2 Jonathan Jeanne
SF/PF 6-10 Bennie Boatwright
SF/PF 6-9 Tyler Lydon
SG 6-3 Malik Monk
PG 6-5 Kobi Simmons
PG 6-3 Frank Jackson

Therefore, next summer is Westbrook or no big fish at all. It's that simple. Either way, we should agree to term with Bogut but sign him after we've finished all signing. He's our no.1 priority.

If we have no confident in landing Westbrook, then we've to lock up Andrew Bogut early. He's the only unrestricted quality center. So you know how dangerous it is. And re-sign key players over the cap. Under the new cap, you won't get any RFA 3-4 years from now. So forget about the rest of them.


Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#463 » by Darren » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:11 am

Yes, of course. Do the Maths together. Bogut (11M), DWill (10), Harris (4M), Dirk (9M).
As all better centers are restricted, we would better re-sign Bogut by ourselves. (Let's check) And we have to give Dirk the raise for his retirement money. We can't renounce him at all. This leaves us with 14M. Not nearly enough for one max contract. Forget about Steph Curry, CP3 and Giannis, we won't get them. (They are restricted as well.) Even if we move JJ, we only have 18M to offer an all-star PG like Westbrook. That's simply not enough. Therefore, we have to clear room creatively. For example, make Dwight Powell's first year seriously underpaid and then compensate him with the next 3 years. I don't know the exact number to make it work. I believe besides doing some tricks on Powell's contract, we still have to trade JJ to make rooms for them. Or else, we have to discuss with Dirk to map out a way to take much less for a much smaller cap hold coming year to do our damage next offseason. The ideal price is Westbrook. If not, we'd better keep our team and sign some rookies. Beware that Bogut is the only unrestricted starting center. There's a risk losing him for nothing if we can't have an agreement to work over the cap beforehand.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#464 » by Dirk » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:13 am

Mr B wrote:Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
Free agents still count against the team's cap if they're not renounced. Assuming they're all renounced, next summer: the Mavs can have up to $50 million in cap space.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#465 » by Mr B » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:18 am

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Mr B wrote:Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
Free agents still count against the team's cap if they're not renounced. Assuming they're all renounced, next summer: the Mavs can have up to $50 million in cap space.


Room for 2 max contracts right?
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Post#466 » by Darren » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:21 am

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Mr B wrote:Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
Free agents still count against the team's cap if they're not renounced. Assuming they're all renounced, next summer: the Mavs can have up to $50 million in cap space.


Is the maximum cap a lot higher than this season's? The number I counted is not the same as yours. Why?
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Post#467 » by Dirk » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:27 am

Darren wrote:
Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Mr B wrote:Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
Free agents still count against the team's cap if they're not renounced. Assuming they're all renounced, next summer: the Mavs can have up to $50 million in cap space.


Is the maximum cap a lot higher than this season's? The number I counted is not the same as yours. Why?


I assumed a salary cap of $110 million.

The Mavs have $55 million in guaranteed salary. Then you have to add up the cap hold for the 1st round pick and roster charges. That would leave around $50 million in cap space.

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Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Mr B wrote:Are you sure about that? Bogut, DWill, Harris, and Dirk will all come off the books. The only big long term deals the Mavs will be tied to are Matthews (2 more years) and Barnes. Anderson will still be on his rookie deal and even Powell's contract will not be a detriment.
Free agents still count against the team's cap if they're not renounced. Assuming they're all renounced, next summer: the Mavs can have up to $50 million in cap space.


Room for 2 max contracts right?

These are projections for the different tiers:
$ 25,380,000.00
$ 30,456,000.00
$ 35,532,000.00

So not very likely to see the Mavs sign two max contracts. But they could manoeuvre to do it if they need to.
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Post#468 » by titantron91 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 1:33 am

Alriiiight! I'm actually okay with the Barnes and Bogut thing.

I say we get rid of McGee and Felton, then acquire Dinwiddie and Budinger for extra length and shooting at the backcourt and the wing.

C: Bogut - Hammons - Mejri
PF: Nowitzki - Powell - Lee
SF: Barnes - Anderson - Evans
SG: Wes M. - Budinger - Dinwiddie
PG: D. Will - D. Harris - Barea
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Post#469 » by Darren » Tue Jul 5, 2016 4:32 am

titantron91 wrote:Alriiiight! I'm actually okay with the Barnes and Bogut thing.

I say we get rid of McGee and Felton, then acquire Dinwiddie and Budinger for extra length and shooting at the backcourt and the wing.

C: Bogut - Hammons - Mejri
PF: Nowitzki - Powell - Lee
SF: Barnes - Anderson - Evans
SG: Wes M. - Budinger - Dinwiddie
PG: D. Will - D. Harris - Barea


I believe Felton's gone. We should have renounced him with Zaza. But I don't like this idea. Budinger is just too weak as a defender. We now have one of the best in the league in Seth Curry to this specialist role. By the way, Harris is closed to be done. Barea can still ball, not as explosive as he used to be, though. I am all for Vendar Blue and Marquis Teague, right now. Of the two, I am particular high on Vendar Blue. He's a PJ Pairstain with good all-rounded game. If he can cut down his turnovers (due to decision making), he's already a NBA rotation player in JR Smith or Jamaal Crawford's role.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#470 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 11:07 am

Darren wrote:
titantron91 wrote:Alriiiight! I'm actually okay with the Barnes and Bogut thing.

I say we get rid of McGee and Felton, then acquire Dinwiddie and Budinger for extra length and shooting at the backcourt and the wing.

C: Bogut - Hammons - Mejri
PF: Nowitzki - Powell - Lee
SF: Barnes - Anderson - Evans
SG: Wes M. - Budinger - Dinwiddie
PG: D. Will - D. Harris - Barea


I believe Felton's gone. We should have renounced him with Zaza. But I don't like this idea. Budinger is just too weak as a defender. We now have one of the best in the league in Seth Curry to this specialist role. By the way, Harris is closed to be done. Barea can still ball, not as explosive as he used to be, though. I am all for Vendar Blue and Marquis Teague, right now. Of the two, I am particular high on Vendar Blue. He's a PJ Pairstain with good all-rounded game. If he can cut down his turnovers (due to decision making), he's already a NBA rotation player in JR Smith or Jamaal Crawford's role.


I get you're very bored and you feel inclined to watch the most meaningless of all summerleagues but I don't see any of our Orlando roster being remotely useful during an actual NBA game. I'd rather play JJ and that says something...
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#471 » by arkuo » Tue Jul 5, 2016 11:18 am

Here's an idea. We know how Cuban openly supported Gilbert when Lebron left Cleveland. And right now Cleveland is thinking of ways to unload salary to probably make space for signing Wade.

Here's what we have. They need to shed around $20M in salary to make room. It's obvious they wont trade Kyrie. So does Dallas absorb someone like Kevin Love to help facilitate the deal? It might piss off Pat Riley but frankly I dont give a **** :)
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Post#472 » by dirkules_41 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 12:03 pm

Dirk confirmed he will definitely re-sign with the Mavs, hopes for 2 more seasons and will retire a Mav.
Going to GSW is nothing he has even remotely considered and he doesn't know how the rumour even came up. http://www.kicker.de/news/basketball/startseite/655316/artikel_nowitzki-bestaetigt_werde-karriere-in-dallas-beenden.html#omfbLikePost German link, feel free to google translate it if you don't trust my summary 8-)
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Post#473 » by fuller4379 » Tue Jul 5, 2016 2:19 pm

arkuo wrote:Here's an idea. We know how Cuban openly supported Gilbert when Lebron left Cleveland. And right now Cleveland is thinking of ways to unload salary to probably make space for signing Wade.

Here's what we have. They need to shed around $20M in salary to make room. It's obvious they wont trade Kyrie. So does Dallas absorb someone like Kevin Love to help facilitate the deal? It might piss off Pat Riley but frankly I dont give a **** :)


Can't happen. Mavs have no more cap space.
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Post#474 » by Darren » Wed Jul 6, 2016 5:53 am

fuller4379 wrote:
arkuo wrote:Here's an idea. We know how Cuban openly supported Gilbert when Lebron left Cleveland. And right now Cleveland is thinking of ways to unload salary to probably make space for signing Wade.

Here's what we have. They need to shed around $20M in salary to make room. It's obvious they wont trade Kyrie. So does Dallas absorb someone like Kevin Love to help facilitate the deal? It might piss off Pat Riley but frankly I dont give a **** :)


Can't happen. Mavs have no more cap space.


Even if we have, we should stay away from Kevin Love. He's not even on Chandler Parsons's level. An awful role player on a star level pay.
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Post#475 » by Darren » Wed Jul 6, 2016 6:14 am

Recently, the Mavs hire a big man coach to work with Hammons and Powell. I think DWill can take a part-time role developing young guards now. It's good for him as a next step in post-player career as well. I am also interested in bringing back VC to work with Anderson and other young swingman we later signed. I wonder if we can steal a coach from the Spurs. They seem to have solid scheme for swingman. Simmons scores 35 in a summer league game.
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Post#476 » by Hadley » Wed Jul 6, 2016 4:17 pm

Darren wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
arkuo wrote:Here's an idea. We know how Cuban openly supported Gilbert when Lebron left Cleveland. And right now Cleveland is thinking of ways to unload salary to probably make space for signing Wade.

Here's what we have. They need to shed around $20M in salary to make room. It's obvious they wont trade Kyrie. So does Dallas absorb someone like Kevin Love to help facilitate the deal? It might piss off Pat Riley but frankly I dont give a **** :)


Can't happen. Mavs have no more cap space.


Even if we have, we should stay away from Kevin Love. He's not even on Chandler Parsons's level. An awful role player on a star level pay.


The **** are you talking about? Love is still way better than anyone we had on this Team in the last 10 Years!
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Post#477 » by fuller4379 » Wed Jul 6, 2016 4:52 pm

Hadley wrote:
Darren wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
Can't happen. Mavs have no more cap space.


Even if we have, we should stay away from Kevin Love. He's not even on Chandler Parsons's level. An awful role player on a star level pay.


The **** are you talking about? Love is still way better than anyone we had on this Team in the last 10 Years!


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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#478 » by Mr B » Wed Jul 6, 2016 5:27 pm

Hadley wrote:
Darren wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
Can't happen. Mavs have no more cap space.


Even if we have, we should stay away from Kevin Love. He's not even on Chandler Parsons's level. An awful role player on a star level pay.


The **** are you talking about? Love is still way better than anyone we had on this Team in the last 10 Years!


I wouldn't go that far but Kevin Love is still a very good player. He's taken on a lesser role with the Cavs but while in Minnesota he was a dominant rebounder and scorer. If he were on a team where he was the focus of the offense I think his numbers would still be very close to his Minnesota days.
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#479 » by HMFFL » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:09 am

Wade has agreed to a deal with Chicago.

The Bulls are wanting to trade Jose C and Mike D.



Dwyane Wade has reportedly agreed to sign with the Bulls, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
Chicago has been shopping Jose Calderon and Mike Dunleavy to shed salaries, but they could also waive Calderon and use the 'stretch provision' to clear significant cap space. The Bulls' interest in Wade is two-fold, according to K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune, as they hope to be more competitive this season while also luring max-level free agents in 2017. Wade is from Chicago and it sounds like he's heading home after spending 13 seasons with the Heat, the only franchise he's played for since entering the NBA in 2003.
Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
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Re: Mavs 2016 Cap Sheet & Offseason Discussion 

Post#480 » by Mr B » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:54 am

Soooo Rondo doesn't just have 1 ball dominant guard he has to play with (Butler) but now he has 2 (Wade). Good luck with that.

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