2020 Offseason Strategy Thread

[JD45]

I have read some posters say that Powell's last year is not fully guaranteed, but I cannot find any link to confirm this. Does anyone know for sure? And if so can the amount that is guaranteed be stretched if he is waived? It could potentially be a significant addition to 2021 cap space.

[JJP]

It doesn't appear he has any team option. It's guaranteed through 2022-2023

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/dwight-powell-15397/

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Curiously, this site says only $6m is guaranteed in 2022-2023. No source, tho'.

https://hoopshype.com/player/dwight-powell/salary/

[JJP]

Curiously, this site says only $6m is guaranteed in 2022-2023. No source, tho'.

https://hoopshype.com/player/dwight-powell/salary/

First time I've heard that but have no reason to disbelieve it. Thanks for the correction.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Curiously, this site says only $6m is guaranteed in 2022-2023. No source, tho'.

https://hoopshype.com/player/dwight-powell/salary/

First time I've heard that but have no reason to disbelieve it. Thanks for the correction.

Not a correction! - I don't know which is correct, just that I started looking around after you asked and found this - despite, as you said, spotrac says no option.

Spotrac is usually good, but they do sometimes have information that turns out to be not quite correct - and, unfortunately they just update when they get better information, rather than saying they've obtained better info and that the page has been updated.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

What are your guys' take on Max Kleber?

[Jg41]

I’d really love to swing a deal for Jrue Holiday. If you went into a lab and tried to create the perfect backcourt compliment for Luka it would be him. According to some of the best scorers in the league (Durant, Lillard, James) he is arguably the best on-ball defender in the game. He brings the tough minded veteran defensive presence we’re reportedly after and he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and proficient 3-point shooter. Moreover he’s a valuable enough player that there’s a strong likelihood he declines his 2021-22 PO which preserves our ability to target Giannis in next offseason. I realize he’s a hot commodity, and he’d require a lot to acquire, but this package is something I think both sides can live with:

THJ / Curry / Kleber / 18 / 31 / $3M to NO for Holiday and Redick

Then ship Wright / Jackson / Miami 2023 2nd / ~$2.8M to SA for Rudy Gay

Sign Paul Millsap to 1 yr MLE (~$9.3M)

Resign J. Barea to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign R. Broekhoff to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign A. Cleveland to 4 yr minimum contract

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Holiday / Redick / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Gay / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Millsap
C: Powell / Marjonovic / Cauley-Stein

Even if Jrue opts in, Dallas would still be able to sign Giannis if they could find a taker for Powell.

[JJP]

What are your guys' take on Max Kleber?

Weakness: Limited athletically and can't really create his own shot. Not consistent in regards to points on the scoreboard.
Strength: Good catch-and-shoot guy, good rim protector, and a fair defensive player. He's smart and good without the ball.

Overall he's versatile and worth what he's paid. Solid rotation guy.

[JJP]

I’d really love to swing a deal for Jrue Holiday. If you went into a lab and tried to create the perfect backcourt compliment for Luka it would be him. According to some of the best scorers in the league (Durant, Lillard, James) he is arguably the best on-ball defender in the game. He brings the tough minded veteran defensive presence we’re reportedly after and he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and proficient 3-point shooter. Moreover he’s a valuable enough player that there’s a strong likelihood he declines his 2021-22 PO which preserves our ability to target Giannis in next offseason. I realize he’s a hot commodity, and he’d require a lot to acquire, but this package is something I think both sides can live with:

THJ / Curry / Kleber / 18 / 31 / $3M to NO for Holiday and Redick

Then ship Wright / Jackson / Miami 2023 2nd / ~$2.8M to SA for Rudy Gay

Sign Paul Millsap to 1 yr MLE (~$9.3M)

Resign J. Barea to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign R. Broekhoff to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign A. Cleveland to 4 yr minimum contract

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Holiday / Redick / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Gay / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Millsap
C: Powell / Marjonovic / Cauley-Stein

Even if Jrue opts in, Dallas would still be able to sign Giannis if they could find a taker for Powell.

That's not a bad trade scenario for keeping the cap space next season. I would probably find a way to squeeze Trey Burke in there and take out Barea. Also, I'm not wedded to Milsap, and he might not take a one-year contract anyway. But overall, I wouldn't object to that. I'm not sure I'd want to play the Pelicans with that lineup though.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I’d really love to swing a deal for Jrue Holiday. If you went into a lab and tried to create the perfect backcourt compliment for Luka it would be him. According to some of the best scorers in the league (Durant, Lillard, James) he is arguably the best on-ball defender in the game. He brings the tough minded veteran defensive presence we’re reportedly after and he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and proficient 3-point shooter. Moreover he’s a valuable enough player that there’s a strong likelihood he declines his 2021-22 PO which preserves our ability to target Giannis in next offseason. I realize he’s a hot commodity, and he’d require a lot to acquire, but this package is something I think both sides can live with:

THJ / Curry / Kleber / 18 / 31 / $3M to NO for Holiday and Redick

Then ship Wright / Jackson / Miami 2023 2nd / ~$2.8M to SA for Rudy Gay

Sign Paul Millsap to 1 yr MLE (~$9.3M)

Resign J. Barea to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign R. Broekhoff to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign A. Cleveland to 4 yr minimum contract

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Holiday / Redick / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Gay / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Millsap
C: Powell / Marjonovic / Cauley-Stein

Even if Jrue opts in, Dallas would still be able to sign Giannis if they could find a taker for Powell.

I'm not too sure about the anciliary parts (does Millsap take that 1yr? is that enough to get Gay?), but the main deal is pretty realistic - basically treat Curry-Redick as a wash and then its THJ+Maxi for Jrue, which seems decent from the NOP pov.

However, probably a better bet is to wait until the Knicks make a move and end up with a PG and then just trade Maxi straight up for Frank Ntilikina, who basically gives you Jrue but on the last year of a rookie deal.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

What are your guys' take on Max Kleber?

Weakness: Limited athletically and can't really create his own shot. Not consistent in regards to points on the scoreboard.
Strength: Good catch-and-shoot guy, good rim protector, and a fair defensive player. He's smart and good without the ball.

Overall he's versatile and worth what he's paid. Solid rotation guy.

Yeah, pretty much agree 100% with JJP here.

He's probably worth a little more than his salary under normal circumstances, but all of those questions are currently unfathomable because of the uncertainties in the salary cap going forward.

He's a player you would want to keep on the roster if you had a choice (fwiw, I think the same about Seth Curry - actually I'm probably a little, no .. actually more than that, quite a lot, more attached to Seth than Maxi, but w/e), but obviously can be part of a trade.

[aggerrard]

I’d really love to swing a deal for Jrue Holiday. If you went into a lab and tried to create the perfect backcourt compliment for Luka it would be him. According to some of the best scorers in the league (Durant, Lillard, James) he is arguably the best on-ball defender in the game. He brings the tough minded veteran defensive presence we’re reportedly after and he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and proficient 3-point shooter. Moreover he’s a valuable enough player that there’s a strong likelihood he declines his 2021-22 PO which preserves our ability to target Giannis in next offseason. I realize he’s a hot commodity, and he’d require a lot to acquire, but this package is something I think both sides can live with:

THJ / Curry / Kleber / 18 / 31 / $3M to NO for Holiday and Redick

Then ship Wright / Jackson / Miami 2023 2nd / ~$2.8M to SA for Rudy Gay

Sign Paul Millsap to 1 yr MLE (~$9.3M)

Resign J. Barea to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign R. Broekhoff to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign A. Cleveland to 4 yr minimum contract

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Holiday / Redick / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Gay / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Millsap
C: Powell / Marjonovic / Cauley-Stein

Even if Jrue opts in, Dallas would still be able to sign Giannis if they could find a taker for Powell.

I'm not too sure about the anciliary parts (does Millsap take that 1yr? is that enough to get Gay?), but the main deal is pretty realistic - basically treat Curry-Redick as a wash and then its THJ+Maxi for Jrue, which seems decent from the NOP pov.

However, probably a better bet is to wait until the Knicks make a move and end up with a PG and then just trade Maxi straight up for Frank Ntilikina, who basically gives you Jrue but on the last year of a rookie deal.

Ntilikina is an D- version of Jrue?

[Mike lorenzo]

I’d really love to swing a deal for Jrue Holiday. If you went into a lab and tried to create the perfect backcourt compliment for Luka it would be him. According to some of the best scorers in the league (Durant, Lillard, James) he is arguably the best on-ball defender in the game. He brings the tough minded veteran defensive presence we’re reportedly after and he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and proficient 3-point shooter. Moreover he’s a valuable enough player that there’s a strong likelihood he declines his 2021-22 PO which preserves our ability to target Giannis in next offseason. I realize he’s a hot commodity, and he’d require a lot to acquire, but this package is something I think both sides can live with:

THJ / Curry / Kleber / 18 / 31 / $3M to NO for Holiday and Redick

Then ship Wright / Jackson / Miami 2023 2nd / ~$2.8M to SA for Rudy Gay

Sign Paul Millsap to 1 yr MLE (~$9.3M)

Resign J. Barea to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign R. Broekhoff to Veteran’s Minimum

Resign A. Cleveland to 4 yr minimum contract

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Holiday / Redick / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Gay / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Millsap
C: Powell / Marjonovic / Cauley-Stein

Even if Jrue opts in, Dallas would still be able to sign Giannis if they could find a taker for Powell.

I'm not too sure about the anciliary parts (does Millsap take that 1yr? is that enough to get Gay?), but the main deal is pretty realistic - basically treat Curry-Redick as a wash and then its THJ+Maxi for Jrue, which seems decent from the NOP pov.

However, probably a better bet is to wait until the Knicks make a move and end up with a PG and then just trade Maxi straight up for Frank Ntilikina, who basically gives you Jrue but on the last year of a rookie deal.

Maxi is much more valuable than Ntilikina ... Ntilikina is an interesting defensive prospect (quite disappointing, he doesn't shoot ... at the moment) .Jrue elite defender from the entire NBA who can handle and score ... unmatched

[SOUNDCHASER]

Kleber is a keeper and worth every penny. The guy is used on second team a lot were he is usually bigger and able to help out as a center sometime.

Jrue is good but he is older and not as good at the 3 as I am wanting

[JJP]

Kleber is a keeper and worth every penny. The guy is used on second team a lot were he is usually bigger and able to help out as a center sometime.

Jrue is good but he is older and not as good at the 3 as I am wanting

Jrue is a PG - sometimes a SG. But he's not playing at the wing except if he switches on defense.

[SOUNDCHASER]

sorry I meant shooting the 3 not playing the 3.

[leolozon]

Put me among those who aren't that interested in Jrue. At least, I'm not sure considering he's going to be 30 next year, his decline is going to come soon and will probably happen as the team starts to compete for a championship. He wasn't as good last year as he was two years ago, which could be nothing, but could also show the start of a decline. He's probably not going to be worth his next contract.

Jrue 4 years ago is something that I would want, but I would prefer if the team stay put for this year or go all-in on a 22-26yo guy who can develop next to Luka. To me it's all about in 3 years from now, not so much about next year. I don't know why people are thinking about making this team better next year if it doesn't help in 3 years.

We can tell ourselves : "If it doesn't work, we don't have to sign him long term." But teams have a tendency to sign back their players and then get stuck with them as they decline.

[JJP]

Put me among those who aren't that interested in Jrue. At least, I'm not sure considering he's going to be 30 next year, his decline is going to come soon and will probably happen as the team starts to compete for a championship. He wasn't as good last year as he was two years ago, which could be nothing, but could also show the start of a decline. He's probably not going to be worth his next contract.

Jrue 4 years ago is something that I would want, but I would prefer if the team stay put for this year or go all-in on a 22-26yo guy who can develop next to Luka. To me it's all about in 3 years from now, not so much about next year. I don't know why people are thinking about making this team better next year if it doesn't help in 3 years.

We can tell ourselves : "If it doesn't work, we don't have to sign him long term." But teams have a tendency to sign back their players and then get stuck with them as they decline.

First, I think don't Jrue will be in a Mavs uniform so I'm not worried about how this plays out.

However, I believe the Mavs are looking for something almost exactly like Jrue. A defensive veteran with playmaking skills who can play alongside Luca is precisely what the Mavs are looking for. Just because he doesn't hit 3-pointers at a 40% clip doesn't mean he's not the right player - and neither does the fact that he's 30 years old. That's still within the window his of his peak years. After all. we were trying to squeeze Delon Wright into the starting lineup at one time - and Jrue is significantly better than that.

That said, I don't how there's a trade there - but I guess stranger things have happened. I don't see them giving away players they've groomed for a rental player no matter how good he is.

[arkuo]

Cuban put Dirk's career on the line and gambled on Dwight Howard and didnt pay off. Signing one year deals every year for God knows when.

I'd imagine he can do the same to Luka up until he gets his shot with Giannis. You'd have to imagine that DIrk has more influence in the front office then and Cuban was still able to gamble on that. Luka is a teenager compared to Dirk then. Dirk had more clout and we know how it played out. You have to think in the lines of a dot com billionaire like Cuban. Shark tank and everything, he likes to take risks.

[Mr B]

Cuban put Dirk's career on the line and gambled on Dwight Howard and didnt pay off. Signing one year deals every year for God knows when.

I'd imagine he can do the same to Luka up until he gets his shot with Giannis. You'd have to imagine that DIrk has more influence in the front office then and Cuban was still able to gamble on that. Luka is a teenager compared to Dirk then. Dirk had more clout and we know how it played out. You have to think in the lines of a dot com billionaire like Cuban. Shark tank and everything, he likes to take risks.

Giannis is the 1 guy I would wait for in FA. After 2021 though I’m trying to acquire talent anyway possible and I’m not really concerned with who’s coming up for free agency after that.


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